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Tisme said:
arguments about lipstick on pig still doesn't change the fact the pig is still a pig.
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If that's a reference to FTTP vs MTM, I refer you back to the above,
sptrawler said:
Well my mate, who has fibre to the home has found out what the problem is, it bogs down at high usage times.
He can't find out why, because he only bought the low 12mb/s offer.
Will keep you updated, as I find out more info.
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My bolds.
 
Tisme said:
Pinjarra/Mandurah has been suffering backhaul (wholesale to retailer service and quality) problems for approx two years.

arguments about lipstick on pig still doesn't change the fact the pig is still a pig.

e.g. http://advisories.internode.on.net/item/15371/
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The thing is, Mandurah was rolled out in the very early phase, so the issue isn't party specific.

There are obvious problems and it is fibre to the house, so IMO, it is a $80billion joke.

Which actually isn't funny when you see the Government debt.
It becomes more and more apparent, that the NBN was a vote chasing excercise, at the taxpayers expense.IMO
 
sptrawler said:
The thing is, Mandurah was rolled out in the very early phase, so the issue isn't party specific.

There are obvious problems and it is fibre to the house, so IMO, it is a $80billion joke.

Which actually isn't funny when you see the Government debt.
It becomes more and more apparent, that the NBN was a vote chasing excercise, at the taxpayers expense.IMO
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You need to familiarise yourself with how the basic system works to understand what fibre means and it doesn't mean it bypasses the wholesaler or retailer.

But yes considering the whole thing is being paid for with bond issues, one would have thought the money would have been spent more wisely. It certainly was an election bait, but people are starting to wake up to the ruse.
 
Tisme said:
You need to familiarise yourself with how the basic system works to understand what fibre means and it doesn't mean it bypasses the wholesaler or retailer.
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He's simply confirming the residence in question is FTTP.
 
The fact is, it is a really big spend, for very little return. IMO

When you consider, a gas pipeline from the NW of W.A, to connect to the Eastern States could have been installed.
A water pipeline from the NW of W.A, that could supply irrigation throughout the Pilbara, could have been installed.
Dams and irrigation throughout North Queensland, and a high speed train connecting Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.
For less money, than the NBN, which really isn't supplying something we didn't have, it's just replacing it.
It is really a National disgrace, and shows how politicians are more interested in egos, than Nation building.IMO
 
sptrawler said:
The fact is, it is a really big spend, for very little return. IMO
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That is the case and the problem NBN is attempting to overcome with its CVC pricing model.

THE RSP's I suspect are skimping on the CVC capacity they are purchasing as they know NBN and the government of the day will be held most responsible for speeds on the network. NBN has been shifting with revised CVC discount models and that process is continuing,
NBN Co is looking to reduce CVC costs, so telcos can provide higher speeds at peak times, and increasing AVC, monthly connection costs.

However, this approach poses problems because consumers could be forced to pay more for internet connections than they were before the NBN, creating potential headaches for the federal government which promised prices for basic connections would not rise under the NBN.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/6699c4a288dc2a402efda86cf93153d2

Whether due to reliability or cost (or both), there will be an impact on the proportion that retain a landline connection through NBN. Ultimately, the current or a future government is going to have to write down its investment in the NBN and that will be an ugly day for the budget.
 
When the NBN was begun there were several considerations made:

1) the $27.5bn debt was fully funded by issuing bonds
2) the paydown was forecast 2034
3) the bond rate was ~4%
4) the ROI once operational 7%
5) Telstra backbenched, for fear of what has subsequently come to pass.
 
sptrawler said:
The fact is, it is a really big spend, for very little return. IMO

When you consider, a gas pipeline from the NW of W.A, to connect to the Eastern States could have been installed.
A water pipeline from the NW of W.A, that could supply irrigation throughout the Pilbara, could have been installed.
Dams and irrigation throughout North Queensland, and a high speed train connecting Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.
For less money, than the NBN, which really isn't supplying something we didn't have, it's just replacing it.
It is really a National disgrace, and shows how politicians are more interested in egos, than Nation building.IMO
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I think the NBN was an inevitability and reflected a need to put in place a future economy, free of being a mining pit of the world. I don't think any of us saw the end of the boom coming so soon, even the miners themselves.

As with any major project in Australia's history, the govts are the only organisation able to fund them, traditionally through borrowing. Labor has a strong track record of major industry and infrastructure spend and seems to like starting legacy projects while in office....NBN would have been one of those before political games made it a shadow of it's original form.

I think the real frustration that is fermenting in the nation is the realisation they may have been tricked into believing the govt's spiel and the weight of evidence does point to a poorly constructed network that has people without connection for weeks/months. They are twigging to the electioneering myths about speeds e.g. able to simultaneously stream 5 movies is just out and out lies.

It's not like we weren't all warned by the people who actually know about networks, technology, etc that changing it to a hybrid system would end up making it a bitsa pup....and more expensive pup at that.
 
I'm wondering if school children shouldn't be made to attend a "factual" course on networks so the political spin could be filtered out of the conversation. A real course that is free of habitual ghosts of Abbott past, easy grab acronyms and sanctimonious twits.....something that agrees with my point of view.:troll:

Tip for those who want to get the fastest throughput inside their boundary when lumbered with a sh1tty old copper telephone cable = get your installer to parallel up the redundant wires to decrease the impedance.

What would this guy know about the NBN ... did he ask Abbott, Turnbull and any rusted on LNP voter first before making stuff up:
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/07/...-would-be-just-as-cheap-as-fibre-to-the-curb/
 
Not sure if he should have walked away. It's not like he couldn't just rake in the money and drink more to numb the conscience.

 
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Cancer cluster of the future?

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Posted yesterday on Whirlpool:

Just a heads up for those with Telstra Velocity FTTP, after speaking with NBNCo and Telstra independently Telstra have told me that the network is now owned by NBN and that (at least in my area) as part of the transferral my connection will need to be transferred to FTTN.

As such if I currently want to switch to NBN I need to get a Telstra technician out to rip out my fibre, and a NBN technician to install the "superior" copper and do whatever switching is required out on the street.

At least in my area there is an 18 month handover period where the process needs to be completed, I recently signed up wtih iinet to try my luck to get NBN but after hearing this has cancelled and will just try and wait out the switch over as long as I can.

The Telstra representative I spoke to also advised that after switching over my 100mb/5mb connection to NBN I would only be able to get the first tier of NBN which I think is up to 20mbit, they could not offer any speed boosts until the infrastructure in the area is upgraded! I would also need to sign up for another 24 month contract!!!
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https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2655231
 
This has gotta hurt the LNP flag waivers, although it's probably Bill Shorten's fault, that and pink batts:

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-...dium=newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter

NBN Co executives say they took a proposal to convert the fibre-to-the-node footprint to fibre-to-the-curb to the board and government but the plan was rejected because it ran counter to the statement of expectations.

CEO Bill Morrow told a parliamentary committee hearing this week that a “study” on flipping the four million premises in the FTTN footprint over to newer FTTC technology had been undertaken.......
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http://www.afr.com/technology/web/n...-on-300m-in-new-office-leases-20170803-gxoo7m
The company building Australia's National Broadband Network is closing in on two new office headquarters in Sydney and Melbourne, which could cost the company as much as $300 million over the next 10 years.

While the government may have retreated from the "gold plated" broadband network promised under the previous Labor administration, NBN isn't scrimping on its new digs.

In Sydney NBN is set to go to Dexus' 100 Mount Street development, just one minute from the new Victoria Cross Metro rail station in North Sydney.

This would complement a similar sized hunt for space in Melbourne where it is understood to have signed on for around 20,000 square metres at the final tower in billionaire Lang Walker's Collins Square project.


The Mount Street building comprises 41,500 square metres over 34 office levels with spectacular views over Sydney Harbour.


It is likely that NBN would take half of the building with rents in the range of about $700- $750 per square metre per year.

That would have the NBN's paying a gross cost of about $15 million a year or $150 million over the duration of what would likely be a 10-year lease.

NBN declined to comment on its leasing plans when contacted by The Australian Financial Review.

The timing of the office hunt is awkward for NBN as it faces increased scrutiny and a new enquiry from The Australian Communications and Media Authority into failures of the broadband rollout.


It is embroiled in an ongoing dispute with internet service providers over the high charges it levies from them for broadband capacity.

Slow internet speeds for many users of the NBN have been blamed on NBN's need to charge high prices in order to make a commercial return, whereas ISPs say they cannot afford to pay for enough.

When asked why it was not looking for office space in cheaper parts of Sydney, such as Paramatta or Olympic Park, where Commonwealth Bank of Australia is due to vacate by 2020, NBN again declined to comment.

Lang Walker's Collins Square project is well advanced and the last building, known as Tower 5, already has a commitment from Transurban for around 16,000 sq m.


The NBN tenancy will virtually fill that final tower in the $2.5 billion mixed use project.

The NBN deal is expected to be struck at somewhere between $575 and $590 per sq m on a net face rent, according to industry sources.

An incentive, which is customary in most commercial leasing deals, could be worth around 25 per cent.

The tower is due to be completed some time around the end of next year. allowing NBN to move from the start of 2019.


It is expected NBN will consolidate its existing tenancies out of GPT-owned Media House, where the broadband operator is on a sub-lease to Fairfax, just a short walk from Collins Square. It would also come out of 120 Spencer Street and Melbourne Central.
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