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NBN Rollout Scrapped

There's more to the required funding than just the capital expenditure but who knows what that would have ultimately cost under Labor given the state of the rollout when they left office.

I should have added the link I was referring to
NBN Co describes the model Morrow and Rue presented yesterday as representing "fully allocated costings" that represents "the true and full cost of building the network" in greenfields, brownfields and fixed wireless areas.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/24/nbn_co_fibre_build_was_close_to_budget/

The cost fell, however, between June 2014 and December 2014, reflecting the impact of new deployment practices (such as using smaller splitters and thinner cables).

I have my doubts that these practices only occurred because of the new NBN co board under the coalition government, like any repetitive practices done it just takes time to get through the initial problematic issues and then more efficient ways will be found as well as technological developments.
 
I can't believe the Govt is considering doing FTTN at over 1.5KM

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nbn-co-out-to-tame-troublesome-copper/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

How does one agree to purchase a multi billion dollar network when they don't have a clue on the quality???

But NBN Co does not yet know the state of the Telstra copper network. Morrow confirmed on Thursday that during renegotiations, NBN Co did not seek, and was not provided with, a history of Telstra's maintenance costs associated with the copper network.

At 1.5KM you start to get back to ADSL speeds. Sounds like they're really scalling back on the number of nodes they plan to roll out to artificially reduce CAPEX

He said that for customers who live over 1.5km away from a node, and would get much lower speeds than those next to the node, NBN Co is currently thinking through its options.

Once again people are puting their money where their demand is

But Morrow said that the AU$3 rise in average revenue per user for the half, to AU$39, indicated that people would want to move to the higher tiers over time.
 
I didn't recall reading that in the AFR article I linked but I had a reasonable idea of how the calculation had been arrived at.

There are many variables that would feed into the cost per premise (CCP) for a build that would have had the duration of Labor's FTTP model. For this reason alone, it's therefore problematic to apply a CCP at a fixed point in time over a life of a project over such a timescale. One example is the 10% discount rate applied to Telstra for a significant proportion of the value of its deal with NBN Co. Over the long term that becomes very expensive, in particular if there are project delays.

The Coalition's numbers also refer to peak funding which despite more now being on the capital side of the CCP estimate remains different to peak funding. For example, there's OPEX for the network already built.

While the Coalition's peak funding of $94bn was obviously political bearing in mind it was the worst combination of 4 possible scenarios, it's an interesting question as to how much the NBN might have cost under Labor. For example, who would have thought that we would have had over 50,000 boat arrivals effectively in two terms of Labor government with arrivals peaking at 1,000 per week in the term after the 2010 election ?

With the NBN rollout already well behind sched in 2013 and the rollout itself in further serious strife by the 2013 election, one can only imagine how that 10% discount rate alone would have compounded costs as the delays mounted up had Labor retained office.
 
While not strictly NBN, the following is part of the communication's portfolio,



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-03/70c-stamps-could-cost-1-under-plan-for-australia-post/6276704
 
While not strictly NBN, the following is part of the communication's portfolio,





http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-03/70c-stamps-could-cost-1-under-plan-for-australia-post/6276704

A brilliant idea /sarc

Raise the cost while lowering the standard. Should see a further exodus from snail mail.

A better option would have been to keep the cost at a similar level and reduced mail deliveries to 2 or 3 days a week.

Those requiring faster delivery can still pay for express post.
 
A brilliant idea /sarc

Raise the cost while lowering the standard. Should see a further exodus from snail mail.
It's good to see someone standing up for business.

About 97 per cent of letters sent in Australia were posted by government or businesses.

The senate though can knock if off through disallowance,

The new regulations do not require changes to legislation but can be disallowed by the Senate.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...post-changes-price-rises-20150303-13tju7.html

Whichever way it's looked at, snail mail is dying with perhaps the exception of Xmas cards.
 
I must say that I'm underwhelmed by the NBN having actually used it (FTTH).

Connection speed was no better than my ADSL to be honest, indeed perhaps slightly slower. Couldn't stream a YouTube video at maximum resolution for example.

I suspect that the limitation was the ISP itself, but that's not the point since it's the speed "as used" which counts rather than some theoretical network connection speed. It's akin to raising the speed limit on a highway to 200 km/h - completely pointless if the traffic is still crawling along at 40 due to some bottleneck.

I'll give it another go when I get a chance (connection isn't mine, I only have ADSL) but so far at least, I'm underwhelmed.
 
I know its off topic but does anyone know a good paid vpn service that allows you to access US content that is geo blocked
 
I know its off topic but does anyone know a good paid vpn service that allows you to access US content that is geo blocked

I've been happily using privateinternetaccess for a few years now.

If you do a bit of googling you can usually find a discount coupon.

They're reasonably priced at around $40 USD a year, up to 5 concurrent connections. They recently launched a AU server as well

I do find sometimes I have to do a bit of hopping between their US based servers to find one not congested, but it's not too often and usually the second one I access is fast enough.

They have easily installed apps for windows and android.
 
I can't believe the Govt is considering doing FTTN at over 1.5KM

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nbn-co-out-to-tame-troublesome-copper/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
I meant to comment on this.

A while ago when a Telstra tech was around doing line repairs I asked about FTTN in the local area. He suggested a node would be placed where there is currently a Telstra pillar. He advised that the pillar itself is on a fibre line which runs from an exchange to a local school.

It's possible that Bill Morrow could be talking about initially placing nodes where fibre already exists before broadening the fibre backbone for more nodes.

His comment could also refer to low density semi-rural environments.

In short, it might be a bit hasty to pass judgment without knowing the context.
 

Either your tech isn't talking about a pillar, or he has no idea what he's talking about.

He might have been talking about a RIM which is more like a mini exchange.

Pillars are pure copper. They just distribute the copper pairs from a main cable to the premise.

The fun part for NBN will be when they have to acknowledge there's no records to map exchange pair to pillar and pillar pair to premise. If you've ever watched a tech at a pillar hunting around it's likely because he knows where you come in from the exchange, but he's trying to find your premise pair which usually ends up with a lot of trial and error. Probably 15-20% of faults I deal with are at the pillar, usually due to another tech stuffing up our customer's line or poor soldering and the connections come lose / corrode. I certainly wont be sorry to see them go, but do question the feasibility of putting a node at some pillar locations. Certainly the pillar around the corner from my house doesn't have anywhere near the required space for a node and it's a problem likely repeated all around older suburbs with narrow streets and foot paths. Any requirement to move the node to a different location would see costs increase exponentially as this would require extensive work on the copper cables.

Due to the lower quality copper used in Australia the speed drop off of VDSL2 would be faster here than the UK. Notice that by 500M VDSL2 is likely to be slower than ADSL2+ at the same distance. Whether vectoring will help with this I'm not sure. The frequencies used in the VDSL standard attenuate very rapidly. So if the coalition are going to skimp on the CAPEX then we might as well ask why bother if the performance boost is going to be minimal for a reasonably significant minority.

 
A pillar was what he said. He mentioned a fibre cable going through there from the exchange to a local school.

Whether or not the fibre cable was in addition to the copper main I didn't ask.
 
How do you send out tenders worth $500M when you don't have updated design rules to cover the major transition of the NBN to the MTM model?

https://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/4/15/technology/nbn-design-rules-go-mia



 
See Telstra are ramping up advertising for the reintroduced wifi hot spot system that will still be a poor cousin to the fibre system. Funny how the rollout and publicity starts before a federal budget from their biggest supporter, after canning it two years ago It's like rolling out an S class steam loco to deflect attention for budgetary delay of diesel electric.
 
5G

Where is NBNMyths?

I mentioned 5G a while ago and got shot down.

Hmm....

 
I can see why he shot you down. Read the text you quoted. Have a look at the issues NBN and the mobile carriers are having with approvals with base station installs. 5G to deliver the needed speed with good costumer density will need a lot more towers.
 
Re: 5G

Where is NBNMyths?

I mentioned 5G a while ago and got shot down.

Hmm....

The higher the frequency the less distance the signal will travel, and in cities the higher frequencies get blocked by buildings a lot more than the lower ones.

A single fiber has more capacity that the entire radio spectrum.

Are you proposing we wait till at least 2020 before upgrading the Internet infrastructure in Australia? We'd have to wait a few years past that date for the equipment to drop in price.

How would you propose we affordably double or triple wireless downloads? It currently accounts for around 3% of downloads and I doubt it will get much higher than that because the cost per GB on wireless is roughly 100 times the cost of adsl / fibre. My ISP provides 1 TB of downloads for $70. It's common to pay around $10 per GB on wireless. An expensive internet plan would give you $5GB for the same cost.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@...&prodno=8153.0&issue=December 2014&num=&view=

 

He said there would never be a 5G...little bit different
 
So we were promised faster cheaper and more affordable.

http://blog.jxeeno.com/nbn-fttn-limited-to-121-mbps-during-transition/


For customers who live close to the exchange, the speed attainable over the Fibre to the Node network may actually be lower during the “Co-existance period” than what’s possible over their existing ADSL2+ service.


Just wow. Basically you have to wait up to 18 months once the node goes live in your area before you can start thinking about ordering a higher speed service. If your sync speed is currently higher than 12Mbs you'll have to downgrade for a period of time till the speed limits are removed.

Hopefully the Senate committee on the NBN will be able to push NBN to provide estimates on how much this will cut from revenue compared to the FTTP rollout.

This issue was also highlighted when the coalition first broached using FTTN instead of FTTP, but the then opposition was still willing to lie that they could do the rollout in just 3 years. Now they're saying you have to limit speeds for half that time frame.

Hands up those happy to pay for a speed and only getting it once every 24 hours? I wonder how long once is. Broadband brought to you by the Abbott Luddites.
 
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