NBN Rollout Scrapped

NBNMyths · 1 May 2013

bellenuit said:
I know many guys in the building industry around Perth and when it comes to union dominated sites, they have no choice but to be in the union. Technically they don't have to be, but unless they have no fear of a hammer falling on their head, then that is how it works. So in many cases, yes they can cancel their membership. But doing so means they are make themselves unemployable on all union dominated sites.

Myths, though I have disagreed with you many times in the past, I have always respected your technical knowledge, from which I have learned quite a bit. I'm not the one for name calling, so I have always taking you at face value - you are here to dispel myths about the NBN, not to play partisan politics.

However, in the last month or so I think you are adopting a very partisan stance. Very unlike you and making me question the independence of some of the data you produce, which I personally can't verify.

To some extent it has to be partisan, because the NBN is the policy of a political party, and the other party opposes it (although far less than they used to). Therefore a debate on the two policies must be somewhat partisan. The NBN is a typical Labor policy (ie Govt build it for everyone). The coalition's policy used to be typical Coalition (ie leave it to the market), although now it's basically a cheaper version of a Labor policy (ie the Govt is still building it for everyone).

That said, the discussion has moved off on a tangent, mainly because I'm amusedly perplexed by Caliope's notion that union political donations are examples of self-serving corruption, but business political donations are entirely selfless. However, point taken and I'll refrain from future posts on that topic unless they directly relate to the NBN.

medicowallet said:
I guess it has got to be hard knowing that your puppy is being replaced by a kitten.
I remember having a tanty as a little tot when this happened to me.
I don't think it would happen to me nowadays.

MW

Nobody would be happy about losing a puppy for a kitten. Everyone knows dogs are better than cats.

Calliope · 1 May 2013

NBNMyths said:
That said, the discussion has moved off on a tangent, mainly because I'm amusedly perplexed by Caliope's notion that union political donations are examples of self-serving corruption, but business political donations are entirely selfless. However, point taken and I'll refrain from future posts on that topic unless they directly relate to the NBN.

"Bemusedly perplexed":screwy: I, however am not bemused or perplexed at your political stance, e,g, unions are good - big business is bad. It is not surprising that the CFMEU, which you support as a Labor donor is the most militant in Australia and well noted for its thuggery. And Craig Thomson is well known as a donor of members' fees to brothels.

Actually the Gillard government and NBN Co are part and parcel of the same thing. They both stand for bad management, waste and failure to meet commitments.

And now you are claiming that I have diverted you from your role of NBN Co cheerleader. What nonsense. The reason is that the Conroy/Quigley NBN is, along with your Labor party, in it's death throes and they are determined to trash the joint with economic vandalism before they go.

One thing you have made clear is that your participation on this thread has been entirely partisan. I have no interest in who provides the service to my computer as I am doing OK on ADSL2.

As you have now, at last, declared you true colours you may resume your propaganda without being diverted from your mission by me. It is however, a lost cause.:bad:

NBNMyths · 1 May 2013

Calliope said:
"Bemusedly perplexed":screwy: I, however am not bemused or perplexed at your political stance, e,g, unions are good - big business is bad. It is not surprising that the CFMEU, which you support as a Labor donor is the most militant in Australia and well noted for its thuggery. And Craig Thomson is well known as a donor of members' fees to brothels.

Actually the Gillard government and NBN Co are part and parcel of the same thing. They both stand for bad management, waste and failure to meet commitments.

And now you are claiming that I have diverted you from your role of NBN Co cheerleader. What nonsense. The reason is that the Conroy/Quigley NBN is, along with your Labor party, in it's death throes and they are determined to trash the joint with economic vandalism before they go.

One thing you have made clear is that your participation on this thread has been entirely partisan. I have no interest in who provides the service to my computer as I am doing OK on ADSL2.

As you have now, at last, declared you true colours you may resume your propaganda without being diverted from your mission by me. It is however, a lost cause.:bad:

Ok, I'll have to post one more time....

Nice to see the master strawman return! I never claimed that unions are always good, and never said that big business is bad. I never said I supported the CFMEU as a labor donor. I merely questioned why in your mind its ok for business to donate, but not unions. I would suggest that if one is OK, then so is the other. I'd be quite happy for all corporate and union political donations to be banned, actually.

I'm also very pleased to hear that apparently no employee of a public business has ever been accused of misusing the funds of that company. Obviously this only happens in unions. :

As for failure to meet targets, lets see how that "25Mbps to everyone by the end of 2016" goes, shall we? I expect if/when this fails to occur, you'll be holding the coalition to account for their failure to meet targets, and mismanagement? And demanding they be dismissed at the subsequent election?

Calliope · 1 May 2013

NBNMyths said:
I'm also very pleased to hear that apparently no employee of a public business has ever been accused of misusing the funds of that company. Obviously this only happens in unions. :

The difference is that when an employee misappropriates his employer's funds he is charged with a criminal offence. However when a Union official sets up a slush fund to defraud his Union members, a benefactor of that fund can even be elected PM and the justice system is very reluctant to do anything about it.

Instead of sticking out your tongue, you would be better served to show a little maturity and hold your tongue.

sydboy007 · 1 May 2013

Calliope said:
The difference is that when an employee misappropriates his employer's funds he is charged with a criminal offence. However when a Union official sets up a slush fund to defraud his Union members, a benefactor of that fund can even be elected PM and the justice system is very reluctant to do anything about it.

Instead of sticking out your tongue, you would be better served to show a little maturity and hold your tongue.

What about Tony Abbots political slush fund??

should you need to refresh your understanding of this - http://www.kingstribune.com/index.p...sting-the-first-stone-tony-abbott-and-the-awu

Now one has to wonder why the AEC under a Liberal Govt didn't fully investigate a Liberal minister over this mater.

Calliope · 1 May 2013

sydboy007 said:
What about Tony Abbots political slush fund??

should you need to refresh your understanding of this - http://www.kingstribune.com/index.p...sting-the-first-stone-tony-abbott-and-the-awu

Now one has to wonder why the AEC under a Liberal Govt didn't fully investigate a Liberal minister over this mater.

:topic: Wrong thread :bad:

drsmith · 1 May 2013

Today's offering from the AFR on the NBN,

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/marketing_chief_latest_to_quit_nbn_U9rMcLrTFVmZk9uIyPaOQM

Smurf1976 · 2 May 2013

Well it's actually being built, at least it is here in Tasmania.

I've spotted 3 separate construction crews in the Hobart CBD this week working late at night. That plus they're now just in the next street from my mother's house in the suburbs and there's an assortment of cabinets appearing in various places.

So it's being built. Whether or not it will be "on time" is a good question, but it is being built at least down here.

sptrawler · 2 May 2013

Smurf1976 said:
Well it's actually being built, at least it is here in Tasmania.

I've spotted 3 separate construction crews in the Hobart CBD this week working late at night. That plus they're now just in the next street from my mother's house in the suburbs and there's an assortment of cabinets appearing in various places.

So it's being built. Whether or not it will be "on time" is a good question, but it is being built at least down here.

Actually it is probably a good idea to push ahead with the Tasmanian rollout.
With all the industry shut down and high unemployment, it will give people something to do while they sit at home.
Maybe some of the new clean energy technology jobs, will kick in soon.

sydboy007 · 3 May 2013

sptrawler said:
Actually it is probably a good idea to push ahead with the Tasmanian rollout.
With all the industry shut down and high unemployment, it will give people something to do while they sit at home.
Maybe some of the new clean energy technology jobs, will kick in soon.

Yup. Keep the H&H economy going

* H&H = House and Holes because that's all people seem to think about these days.

noco · 3 May 2013

Smurf1976 said:
Well it's actually being built, at least it is here in Tasmania.

I've spotted 3 separate construction crews in the Hobart CBD this week working late at night. That plus they're now just in the next street from my mother's house in the suburbs and there's an assortment of cabinets appearing in various places.

So it's being built. Whether or not it will be "on time" is a good question, but it is being built at least down here.

These poor buggers are having to work late at night with long hours because of the poor rates they are trying to work with.

No wonder so many subcontractors are going broke. At this rate the NBN won't be finished in the next 20 yeras and by that time new techknowology will be with us.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ver-nbn-disaster/story-e6frgaif-1226634272172

drsmith · 6 May 2013

Debate today between Malcolm Turnbull and Stephen Conroy.

It gets a little feisty towards the end.

sptrawler · 6 May 2013

Yes I think Turnbull calling Conroy a grub was a waste of breath, everyone had made their own minds up on that allready.IMO

More perinent today was probably Michael Pascoes comment on the banks, when he starts calling it as it is, I listen.lol

DB008 · 7 May 2013

Someone on reddit did a website comparing "ALP v LNP" NBN speeds when completed with some interactive simulations

http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/

sptrawler · 7 May 2013

Smurf1976 said:
Well it's actually being built, at least it is here in Tasmania.

I've spotted 3 separate construction crews in the Hobart CBD this week working late at night. That plus they're now just in the next street from my mother's house in the suburbs and there's an assortment of cabinets appearing in various places.

So it's being built. Whether or not it will be "on time" is a good question, but it is being built at least down here.

Since you posted this Smurph, I've seen crews all over the place.
Obviously someone has put a cracker up their @rse, I bet Conroy has blown a fuse.

Calliope · 7 May 2013

DB008 said:
Someone on reddit did a website comparing "ALP v LNP" NBN speeds when completed with some interactive simulations

http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/

It shows the ignorance of the spinmeister. The LNP is the Queensland governing party. As far as I know they are not involved in the NBN rollout. Obviously the spin has been poorly researched and should be taken with a grain of salt.

DB008 · 8 May 2013

DB008 said:
Someone on reddit did a website comparing "ALP v LNP" NBN speeds when completed with some interactive simulations

http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/

Made it to news.com.au (I really shouldn't be surprised as half of their stories come from reddit.com)

How fast is the NBN compared to the Coalition's internet plan?

http://www.news.com.au/technology/how-fast-is-the-nbn-compared-to-the-coalitions-internet-plan/story-e6frfro0-1226637554402

drsmith · 8 May 2013

DB008 said:
Made it to news.com.au (I really shouldn't be surprised as half of their stories come from reddit.com)

How fast is the NBN compared to the Coalition's internet plan?

http://www.news.com.au/technology/how-fast-is-the-nbn-compared-to-the-coalitions-internet-plan/story-e6frfro0-1226637554402

He's being a bit naughty comparing FTTP's max speed to FTTN's min speed.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...-website-draws-quick-fire-20130508-2j7cw.html

Where I stand based on the NBN's latest rollout schedule in comparison to the Coalition's is that in 2016, I'll have what I have now with Labor (~12mb/sec download) compared to min 25mb/sec download with the Coalition's NBN. That's on the basis of the schedules provided.

waza1960 · 14 May 2013

I've seen on this thread many times stated that wireless will never match Labors NBN.
What about Samsung's announcement (downloading a movie in a second) download speeds several hundred times faster than 4g ...
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/samsung-announces-5g-data-breakthrough-20130514-2jizs.html

Calliope · 14 May 2013

waza1960 said:
I've seen on this thread many times stated that wireless will never match Labors NBN.
What about Samsung's announcement (downloading a movie in a second) download speeds several hundred times faster than 4g ...
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/samsung-announces-5g-data-breakthrough-20130514-2jizs.html

The is little doubt that by the time the NBN is finally rolled out it will be redundant.:bad:

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