NBN Rollout Scrapped
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And you're not politically motivated? Pull the other leg "buddy".
"Similar projects overseas" are not run by a government of union hacks and amateurs like Conroy and Quigley to whom cost blow-outs come naturally.
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At the rate they are going $94 billion is probably a conservative estimate, unless you have some secret study proving Turnbull wrong.
They could easily "appease" me by Conroy and you as their defender, coming clean on costs and construction blowouts. My political position, unlike yours, does not depend on acceptance of the assurances of idiots like Conroy. You say you are not a "huge" fan of Conroy and not a "massive" fan of Gillard. I on the other hand consider him a nasty little man. Time will tell whose judgment is right.
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And you're not politically motivated? Pull the other leg "buddy".
"Similar projects overseas" are not run by a government of union hacks and amateurs like Conroy and Quigley to whom cost blow-outs come naturally.
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At the rate they are going $94 billion is probably a conservative estimate, unless you have some secret study proving Turnbull wrong.
They could easily "appease" me by Conroy and you as their defender, coming clean on costs and construction blowouts. My political position, unlike yours, does not depend on acceptance of the assurances of idiots like Conroy. You say you are not a "huge" fan of Conroy and not a "massive" fan of Gillard. I on the other hand consider him a nasty little man. Time will tell whose judgment is right.
Kogan, bogan, speeds, copper, I'm over it.
How much is this bloody thing costing and is it on track with the estimated coats?
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I'm fine with that, if I think someone has more understanding/knowledge than me I defer to them.
Most of my knowledge is through the school of hard knocks and experience.
I will not say something, I can't back up by experience or by links to media posts and I will defer to anyone that has formal qualifications.
This is ,as far as I'm concerned, a bunch of people having a conversation.
I enjoy it, I find it stimulating,I don't see myself as a guru, but love to debate the ones that do.
When , like yourself in the super debate, you prove to be abreast of the subject and more knwledgable than I, I accept that. By the way will lead to further questions.
Also it doesn't mean you are right all the time without question.
It means, give a honest answer that is viable and I'll believe it, serve up a $hit butty i won't eat it.
Of course he'll deny it all the way to the bank, but I've seen him talking about it before. Not really presumptuous. Nice of you to stick up for your little Liberal buddy, but I'm sure he can handle himself, Julia. If he can give it out I'm sure he won't mind taking it.
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Good to see the ASF right has come out to play in this thread...always nice to see so many hidden posts.
Thanks sptrawler - that's a fair enough post. We probably just got our knickers in a knot.I'm fine with that, if I think someone has more understanding/knowledge than me I defer to them.
Most of my knowledge is through the school of hard knocks and experience.
I will not say something, I can't back up by experience or by links to media posts and I will defer to anyone that has formal qualifications.
This is ,as far as I'm concerned, a bunch of people having a conversation.
I enjoy it, I find it stimulating,I don't see myself as a guru, but love to debate the ones that do.
When , like yourself in the super debate, you prove to be abreast of the subject and more knwledgable than I, I accept that. By the way will lead to further questions.
Also it doesn't mean you are right all the time without question.
It means, give a honest answer that is viable and I'll believe it, serve up a $hit butty i won't eat it.
Hmm, interesting. I hadn't read anything on WP, but like all of the unlimited plans out there, they do have "fair use" limits I suppose, and there will always be cranky customers.
My mate has been with Kogan for a few months now and has no complaints at all. He makes a pretty typical number of calls I guess, and uses maybe 5GB of data per month. He also has an older phone on Telstra, and the two get the same levels of coverage so I don't believe there is any coverage limit with the Telstra wholesale.
I am considering getting their test SIM myself when my contract is up to test it thoroughly, but I want to see whether they have an Iridium roaming agreement first, as that's one of the main reasons I'm with Telstra.
I have two of the Aldi SIMs in GPS devices, and they get coverage as good as my iPhone which is with Telstra directly.
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So you now have qualified this post?
Somewhat disjointed, somewhat obtuse, somewhat labor like.
I'm disapointed, I expected more from you myths.
I've had a lot of respect for your honest posts.
No, we couldn't. At least not instead of the NBN.
Wireless is incapable of providing the bandwidth required to replace urban fixed line networks. Doesn't matter how much the technology improves, it still comes down to the physics of radio via air versus light via glass.
That's why there isn't a single country or telco on the planet proposing to replace metropolitan fixed networks with wireless. It simply cannot do the job.
Yes. Apologies, last time I looked at the Pennytel plan I'm pretty sure it was unlimited calls to mobiles, but when I checked just now, they had imposed the 150 call/500 minute limit.
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I'd reply but I've had infractions for speaking my mind and as a result now agree with everything you say. Let's roll it out.
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I'll just say Adelaide Darwin rail line bestowed on us from Howard.
Talk about waste and mismanagement!
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The rumour awhile ago was Abbott promised Murdoch he would kill off the NBN as its a direct threat to News Ltd.
I think the extremely fair and factual coverage by News of the NBN completely dispels this rumour.........
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Thats really unfair Syd, of course it was only built after a complete business case appraisal was completed to ensure there was a complete return on investment.........
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malcolm seems to be squirming already over the questions he's beign asked.
Then therei's the outright lies he's been telling along with Abbott.
Examples of the lies:
* Constantly claiming the NBN will cost $94B when that is the most unlikely costing the LNP has been able to come up with (whilst they have not been open in how they came up with those figures)
* While MT was at the Marcus Oldham College TA tweeted 'Under Labor they get no NBN. A priority under us" The college is scheduled to received fiber NBN. Note to MT and TA - ALL premises in Telstra band 1 and band 2 exchange areas WILL RECEIVE FIBER NBN. So, either they are outright lying, or they are not particularly competent in an important policy area.
* During an interview with Alan Jones last week MT did not correct any of the factually incorrect statements made by AJ. In fact MT went so far as to say "Well Alan I have to agree with everything you’ve said there. It is a very, very sorry – all you’ve done is state the facts."
So for all those who love to tag JU-LIAR, how about standing up and criticising Tony and Malcolm for their outright lies???
Then therei's the outright lies he's been telling along with Abbott.
Examples of the lies:
* Constantly claiming the NBN will cost $94B when that is the most unlikely costing the LNP has been able to come up with (whilst they have not been open in how they came up with those figures)
* While MT was at the Marcus Oldham College TA tweeted 'Under Labor they get no NBN. A priority under us" The college is scheduled to received fiber NBN. Note to MT and TA - ALL premises in Telstra band 1 and band 2 exchange areas WILL RECEIVE FIBER NBN. So, either they are outright lying, or they are not particularly competent in an important policy area.
* During an interview with Alan Jones last week MT did not correct any of the factually incorrect statements made by AJ. In fact MT went so far as to say "Well Alan I have to agree with everything you’ve said there. It is a very, very sorry – all you’ve done is state the facts."
So for all those who love to tag JU-LIAR, how about standing up and criticising Tony and Malcolm for their outright lies???
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I wonder if TA and MT have calculated the cost of upgrading the electricity network to run their NoBN?
IF we take the 60,000 nodes as a rough estimate, factor in they will run 24/7, consuming say 300 watts an hour (it would not surprise me if the figure is quite a bit higher) and we have some staggering electricity consumption:
60000 * 300 * 24 * 365 = 157,680 megawatts per year
Considering a fibre transmission users a laser consuming a few fraction of a watt - around 40 milliwatts or less - you can see how much higher the running costs will be of an FTTN, not to mention the fact that nodes are actively powered devices and will have a far higher failure rate than a passive optical network.
I would argue that most of us have seen just how fast our power bills have been climbing, and the rate is prob not going to slow too much over the next decade. Electricity is going to be come a major cost increase of the NoBN.
The we have the 480, 000 car batteries in the nodes that will need to be replaced around every 3 years. That's nearly 1.5 million over a 10 year period. The expensive part will be the labour involved in replacing them, rather than the cost of the batteries themselves. Just have to ask AT&T about their exploding FTTN cabinets to see what can happen when you get a bad batch.
It also seems that anyone in an MDU that is in a cable area will NOT be getting access to faster speeds till at least 2019 and maybe not even then unless they are willing to pay for it themselves.
IF we take the 60,000 nodes as a rough estimate, factor in they will run 24/7, consuming say 300 watts an hour (it would not surprise me if the figure is quite a bit higher) and we have some staggering electricity consumption:
60000 * 300 * 24 * 365 = 157,680 megawatts per year
Considering a fibre transmission users a laser consuming a few fraction of a watt - around 40 milliwatts or less - you can see how much higher the running costs will be of an FTTN, not to mention the fact that nodes are actively powered devices and will have a far higher failure rate than a passive optical network.
I would argue that most of us have seen just how fast our power bills have been climbing, and the rate is prob not going to slow too much over the next decade. Electricity is going to be come a major cost increase of the NoBN.
The we have the 480, 000 car batteries in the nodes that will need to be replaced around every 3 years. That's nearly 1.5 million over a 10 year period. The expensive part will be the labour involved in replacing them, rather than the cost of the batteries themselves. Just have to ask AT&T about their exploding FTTN cabinets to see what can happen when you get a bad batch.
It also seems that anyone in an MDU that is in a cable area will NOT be getting access to faster speeds till at least 2019 and maybe not even then unless they are willing to pay for it themselves.
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One can equally ask what happened to the 1.3 million properties the NBN was going to pass by June 30 this year, but we know the answer to that.
The impression I get from these responses is that you've chipped in without too much understanding of the underlying discussion.
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Turnbull explains it so simply in today's paper so that even galahs have no excuse for their ignorance.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...realistic-choice/story-e6frg6zo-1226619379754
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As has been expressed here by pro Coalition supporters it is a political statement based on lack of or straight facts or miss information which is fine as long as you understand its the political argument not the technical facts argument.
Note I am not praising Labor's political position either.
A classic was the statement in the video DR posted earlier that the Coalitions project was 5 times faster and Labors 10 times faster than present....... go figure.
I do acknowledge that Turnbull has moved the Coalition towards a NBN and that he has left the door open (funnily not mentioned in the general media) to move further towards FTTH.
Still there is no avoiding its a bit like connecting modern car front end to a 1956 FJ rear end with the hope you can screw 10 times the horse power out of the back end using future technology.
