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Why is it that both the Coalition and Labor put idiots in the Communications portfolio?:dunno:
 
Why is it that both the Coalition and Labor put idiots in the Communications portfolio?:dunno:

They always put their best and brightest of their party in the communications portfolio.
 
The expressions on the faces of these two rogues bodes ill for Telstra and it's shareholders. If they think they have had a win, then who are the losers? Obviously it is the taxpayer. By the time that fibre replaces copper it will be subsumed by wireless.
 

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Where's Julia?
 

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Probably cheaper to do it now and later when people want to use it then it would be more convenient. A bit like the gas rollout here. Early adopters had free signup. As the copper will be decomissioned and connections will cost later I hope it is an education issue why they didn't have the fibre to their property connected. They don't have to use it and not pay line access fees until they have a valid service.

Two of the towns for the first phase will probably be cases of worst case scenarios for takeup. Both have had major employers close in the last few years, lower incomes than other areas of the state, remote and other factors. While the current PR looks bad, imagine setting up Sydney first in suburbs that may have high takeup and things don't go so well. Media splash! The Tassie towns wouldn't make much noise about it.
 
From the article above:

"The Premier David Bartlett has now indicated people could be forced to have fibre optic cable installed on their properties even if they don't want to use the National Broadband Network."

Unbelievable.
There was also an interview on the ABC24's Afternoon Live program today regarding the NBN. In it there was some interesting financial discussion. For example, the return of 6% on $43bn required an 80% takeup rate.
 
How to bypass the filter;
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/07/why-the-filter-wont-work-a-technical-story/

 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/29/2968068.htm

For the government and the NBN, the more that opt out now to be forced to pay later, the less the upfront cost is.

It will be interesting to see if mainland households are charged for connection, assuming the ALP is returned to office.
 
In many ways it's basically a 21st Century repeat of the way in which state-run electricity replaced the various local supplies once provided by the Hobart Gas Co, Launceston City Council, Mount Lyell M&R Co and many others.

Many didn't connect at first and there were widespread predictions, including from the Australian Government, of financial and/or technical disaster with the then revolutionary idea of a state-wide electricity system.

Fast forward a few years and electricity and industries which depend heavily on it had became the dominant economic, and eventually political, force in Tasmania. They still dominate the state's overseas exports to this day.

But now in 2010, the state faces much the same dilemma it faced a century earilier. That of heavy reliance on low-value service and primary production industry that has historically not worked well economically. But this time there is no sustainable opportunity to gain an advantage from technology no matter what the Premier might say. It just won't take the other states 40 years to compete for business as they did with electricity. At best, the advantage will last a year or two. But at least it beats being left behind.

I don't doubt for a moment that the NBN is a massive gamble in exactly the same manner as the establishment of electricity supply was not without massive risk. But the internet now is much like electricity or the motor car a century ago - in limited use already but set to dominate the future absolutely. Those who worried about transmission lines and highways whilst advocating the benefits of gas lighting were at most delaying the inevitable, a point Telstra seems to have understood very well in this century with its' progressive running down of the copper network.

A gamble certainly. But if we're going to throw money around anyway then it beats using it to buy plasma TV's and dodgy insulation as far as I'm concerned.
 

Smurf, as a Tasmanian I imagine you are familiar with with the Scottsdale NBN rollout. Perhaps you can provide a few details of what the take up of the offer provides you with apart from the 100 mps speed.

. Can you opt out?

. How much is the line rental?

. Is this just a base rate or is it a fixed charge?

. do you then require an ISP and have to pay their charges depending on how
many Gigs you download (or upload) per month?

. If you have a home phone will you just have to pay the cost of calls?

Sorry to be nuisance. But, as a jack of all trades, you usually know the answers.
 
Opt out? Currently it is an opt in system.

Internode and some others have released plans for internet. Various speeds including fixed price with speed crippling (like many ADSL plans.)

I haven't read of any phone only annoucements but the ISPs offering VoIP have support for it. The initial rollout areas had the line rental set at $0 which I assume is to reduce prices for ISPs to retail to drive uptake.

It appears the retailer factors in line rental like the ISPs that handle your voice needs.

From memory iiNet, Internode and one other offer something.

http://www.internode.on.net/news/2010/06/184.php has some information although note it is a trial as it lists next year when the wholesaler looks set to price how it expects to operate.

iiNet have some information at http://www.iinet.net.au/nbn/faq.html
 

Listen to a tech head the other day who spoke about the fiber uses beyond PC's logging on to higher speed which seem to dominate most the debate I have seen so far.
He talked about how the main uses would actually be devices that would plug straight into the fiber for absolutely mind boggling applications.
 

Yep would be nice to have. The talk about the ability to decentralizing work offices and having smaller hubs in suburbs to reduce traffic congestion in major cities was also interesting.
It's the actual fiber optic cable capability, against the old copper network.
 
Ummmmmm why are we laying more cable in the ground when wifi is the answer? Telstra has the 3G network capabilty right now. We have HDMI capability NOW.

Can someone please explain the advantage of fibre optic cable?

Has anyone considered that the problem with technology today is it is obsolete in 12 months time?
 
Iinet's NBN5 (down/up speed: 50/4 Mbps), (peak + offpeak quota: 50GB + 50GB) is $100pm. To use the line for voice calls, iiTalkpack is also required ($10pm). Total cost $110pm.

The equivelent naked ADSL2+ plan in terms of quota (Naked Home 3) is $70pm and includes iiTalk.

Their top speed NBN plans (down/up speed: 100/8 Mbps) start at $130pm.

Some sums based on 8 million homes (connections):
Average $70pm ($840py) = $7.1bn or 16.4% of $43bn.
Average $110pm ($1320py) = $10.6bn or 24.6% of $43bn.

On those figures, what would be the return after wholesaler operating costs (NBN Co) and retailer costs/profit margins are deducted ?
 

I don't claim to know anything about this, however, wireless (well at least in its current state) with many carriers can be somewhat unstable and many appliances such as tv's, phones etc effect the wireless but I think this can be negated if you put certain frequencies into your router. It's also pretty expensive when you compare it to conventional ADSL2+ and cable plans. I have both wireless and wired in my house. I use wired for most things and wireless if I want to sit down on the couch.
 
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