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Mortgagee property sales happening already!!

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Sorry to start another property thread, but...

I know Wayne will enjoy this, he's a housing bear from way back, so am I.

Perth, Adelaide and Tassie residents - a mortgagee sale is coming to you in a few years, prepare now!!



Forced sales hit property market By Anthony Klan
August 28, 2006 12:00am

HOMEOWNERS coaxed into reinvesting the equity in their homes are facing bankruptcy as falling property values and rising interest rates stretch them beyond breaking point.

These duped mortgage-holders, many of them baby boomers preparing for retirement, are among an increasing number of people facing eviction across the country.

The number of eviction notices served in New South Wales surged more than 50 per cent in the year to June, with the fallout most pronounced in Sydney, where some agents have as many as 18 mortgagee sales listed on their books.

According to the NSW Attorney-General, there were 5316 eviction orders lodged last financial year, up a massive 52per cent on the 3495 the year before. Although many of those struggling owners bought at the peak of Sydney's property boom in 2003, agents are reporting distressed owners who have used surging property values to borrow against their homes.

Patricia Maynard, 65, and husband Richard, 75, face losing their $1.2 million Coogee home in Sydney's east after they were talked into withdrawing $960,000 from the property they originally paid off in 1986.

Ms Maynard said the couple were approached by a group in late 2002 who offered to help them unlock the equity in their home to reinvest and fund their retirement.

"In February 2003, we went and got the bank cheques and we thought, 'Great, we don't need Centrelink payments any more, we can be self-funded retirees'," she said.

"We were so naive, we'd paid off our house in 1986 and we were just retirees on a pension."

The company has been placed into liquidation, the couple now owe $1.1 million on their house and Ms Maynard has been forced to return to work.

"I thought there was no way something like this could happen in 2006 in Australia, that these people could get away with something like this," she said.

Ethical real estate campaigner Neil Jenman said the number of people who had lost the equity in their homes and were seeking help had "at least doubled" in the past six months and the problem was expected to worsen.

He said most of the people losing money were driven by a fear of being poor in retirement rather than greed.

"It's not greed, it's fear driving people into these things," Mr Jenman said. "They are in their 50s and they say to themselves, 'I haven't got my finances in order so I'd better fast-track it'.

"It should be against the law for unsophisticated investors -- that is, anyone with a net worth of under $5 million -- to mortgage their home and go into any scheme without first receiving independent legal advice." Although there are reports of increasing mortgagee sales across Sydney, outer-western suburbs such as Liverpool, Kellyville and Ingleburn have been hardest hit by the downturn.

Many owners in these suburbs who have borrowed against their homes now have mortgages bigger then the value of their properties -- and the banks are moving in.

Real estate agent Essam Eskaros, of PRDnationwide in Liverpool, said that of the 19 properties the group had listed for sale this month, 18 were mortgagee sales.

Ian Carroll, of agents Century 21 Carroll Combined in Blacktown, said about one in five properties were forced sales instigated by banks.

"We've had one unit that we sold in 2003 for $319,000 that just resold for $240,000," Mr Carroll said.

"We've also had a development site that was bought for $670,000 and which just resold for $365,000."

Auction clearance rates remain low in the eastern capitals, with less than half those properties auctioned in Sydney being sold.

Over the weekend, the auction clearance rate was 49.8 per cent for Sydney and 56 per cent for Melbourne, according to Australian Property Monitors.

Despite the weakness in the market, high house prices continue to lock families out of home ownership -- a problem the Howard Government blames on the states.

"The stubborn refusal of state and territory governments to release enough land for new homes is forcing the price of house and land packages beyond the means of many hardworking Australians," John Howard said yesterday.
 
I currently have offers on two properties that passed-in at auction (I was at the auctions too) and it looks like I will get both properties at a significant discount. On one of them the bank has dropped the price $55,000 already and to meet my offer they will need to drop another $15,000.

There are bargains abound EVERYWHERE!
 
ctp6360 said:
There are bargains abound EVERYWHERE!

Well I am not arguing, but some people thought Telstra shares were a bargain a few years back.

Are Telstra shares a bargain now? :confused:

Are homes in Sydney a bargain now? :confused:

No-one knows exactly, but the old adage - buyer beware! comes to mind.
 
Waaa ha haaa hoooeeeee......... crash. And a little puff of smoke comes up. ;)


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I wish .... but the places I wanted in Markham close Mosman went up 40% in the last 12 months!

They are still selling places here for $9m plus.

The last boom started in places like Mosman so who is to say we arent heading for another one.

I hope not though, Ive sold my house and invested in cash (short term strategy since June)!
 
Good news for me. I'm 20 now, by the time I'm in the housing market I'll have people throwing their houses at me, so to speak :D
 
silence said:
Good news for me. I'm 20 now, by the time I'm in the housing market I'll have people throwing their houses at me, so to speak :D


It is good news for you, and the majority of Australians.

As a 20 year old you need to make sure you are in the market before the next boom happens though. When that is nobody knows, I'm guessing between 4 and 9 years away in Sydney.
 
Realist said:
It is good news for you, and the majority of Australians.
A point that more seem to be realising. I even had a real estate agent tell me last week how rising house prices were bad for most people "but not for me - I'm paid on commission". :2twocents
 
A small part of me wants to celebrate because it will be good sociologically and ultimately for the economy... the rest of me feels horrible for the people affected.

Cheers
 
A small part of me feels horrible for the people affected... the rest of me wants to celebrate because it will be good sociologically and ultimately for the economy.

I've never been a fan of the general populace's use of property as a first choice investment vehicle. It's non-productive capital and a terrible waste for the economy as a whole.

It is very sad for those that are leveraged to the hilt, but it is a reminder that good advice and research are essential components for any investment decision.
 
silence said:
Good news for me. I'm 20 now, by the time I'm in the housing market I'll have people throwing their houses at me, so to speak :D

Exactly. I'll be in the market for my first home in the next 6 months (although I'll only be living in it long enough to gain the first home owners grant, then I'll rent it out)

Mortgagee sales however dont reflect true market value as more often than not they do not receive sufficient marketing/advertising due to the bank taking possession. All they want is their own money back, they couldnt give a stuff about what its really worth.
 
If you actually read the artical presented it appears that those mortgagee sales arent bought about by the decrease in housing prices but the use of the funds generated from releasing equity.
There are some genuine cases of dishonest dealings with genuine people.

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I have one rule---If I cannot control my investment---I dont want to be in it.

There can be many reasons why sales are forced.
The stress on home owners isnt as great as it appears as the majority would have had to take out Mortgage insurance when buying property particularly IPs banks protected and so is the mortgagee---with the insurance company taking up the difference between whats owed and what price the property is sold for.
Its those who released equity from freehold or close to it homes and invested poorly that will be hit hardest.
Not a fault of the housing market!
 
wayneL said:
A small part of me wants to celebrate because it will be good sociologically and ultimately for the economy... the rest of me feels horrible for the people affected.

Cheers

Everyone should be on ASF so they are with the program. If I hadnt read yours and others posts here Wayne, i'd be just another lamb to the slaughter. Now I have capital in the forex market instead and have made $12k off $50k in two months! The only thing we could do more to stop the carnage is to drive around the streets with a megaphone, so dont feel so bad. At least those affected will learn something and tell others of their woes.
 
"In February 2003, we went and got the bank cheques and we thought, 'Great, we don't need Centrelink payments any more, we can be self-funded retirees'," she said.

"We were so naive, we'd paid off our house in 1986 and we were just retirees on a pension."

Very very sad that these people have been ripped off but one obvious question. From 1986 (when they were about 45 and 55 respectively) until 10-15 years later, what did they do with the funds previously directed to paying the mortgage?
 
Judd said:
what did they do with the funds previously directed to paying the mortgage?

Perhaps it went on the 4WD, the caravan and the plasma television...

I wouldn't be surprised.
 
tech/a said:
Its those who released equity from freehold or close to it homes and invested poorly that will be hit hardest.
Not a fault of the housing market!
Agreed that it's not the fault of the housing market, but mortgagee sales will influence the housing market if there's enough of them. An increase in mortgagee sales being one of the things those expecting a property slump (something that would be hard to deny has occurred at least in Sydney) have been on the lookout for.
 
hello,

tech a/b is dead right

these people have got 990k by releasing equity, but how were they going to pay it back?

the demand for quality property (all price range's) across Aus is strong as and figures released recently have indicated this

buy now realist you will be kicking yourself

thankyou
robots
 
tech/a said:
If you actually read the artical presented it appears that those mortgagee sales arent bought about by the decrease in housing prices but the use of the funds generated from releasing equity.

Well both actually.

If you own a $1M house and some shister gets you to remortgage $500,000 and invest it and you lose it then you lose the $500,000.

However if your house halved in that time and went down $500,000 you now have nothing. ZERO.

If your house doubled you have $1,500,000 left.

Huuuuuuuuge difference.
 
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