I note that MCE did hedge a portion of funds - I can't find where I was reading this but I was of the impression it was an amount that this would have likely been used during this FY?A number of Matrix’s contracts are or may be expressed in terms of foreign currency. To the extent that such exposures are not hedged, fluctuations in the exchange rate between the contract currency and the Australian dollar may adversely affect Matrix’s revenue in Australian dollar terms.
In particular, as the majority of Matrix’s sales are in USD and the majority of its costs are in AUD, an appreciation of the AUD versus the USD may adversely affect Matrix’s financial performance without hedging.
Well, for what it's worth, I thought I'd share my experiences with MCE as a first post.
MCE is my fourth share purchase after an illustrious and lengthy involvement with the share market dating right the way back to May of 2011. I bought at $5.29 at 3:58PM on Monday of this week - the day before the annual report.
It certainly has been an experience watching the share price since.
Admittedly my views on purchasing MCE have been shaped largely by RM, but I really have noone to blame but myself on this one. I was aware that the annual report was imminent, I was even aware of Roger's own comments noting he had not bought in at these prices as he was waiting for further information on cash flow. What it was, in hindsight, was a gamble that a company whose SP had tumbled so far since I was watching it had to be undervalued. I felt sure that a company with a history (all 18 months of it?) of beating expectations would continue to do so, but - again in hindsight - it really was only a feeling.
I had done research on the nature of the company, and calculated both historical intrinsic value on the basis of previous annual reports and then used broker estimates to predict current IV at ~$11.
Really though, all the information was available to me to suggest that such an IV would not be met. Lack of contract announcements was one, previous MCE comments about a high AUD was another:
I note that MCE did hedge a portion of funds - I can't find where I was reading this but I was of the impression it was an amount that this would have likely been used during this FY?
I also rather glaringly appeared to have not factored in the recent equity raising into my calculations!
When all the information in the AR is factored in - information that I should have looked into better before the purchase - I get a IV of $4.61 for 2011 and $6.31 for 2012 (RR @ 14%)
I have mixed feelings about remaining with MCE at the moment. As noted on RM's blog, MCE's 20% revenue target is dependant on them landing ~$120m of new contracts. According to MCE, they're quoting on about ~$500m of new work, and have historically landed about a third of what they quote. On this basis you'd normally view the $120m figure over the next twelve months to be as easy as pie - but the problem is that they haven't landed anything over the last six months.
The establishment of MCE offices in the US certainly suggests that MCE management see opportunities there to improve market share. And it's entirely possible that the Henderson plant offers an ability to improve on revenue without landing many new contracts.
Regardless though, it really does seem like speculation from here on in. Or perhaps as McCoy Pauley put it this morning, an educated bet?
tl;dr - newbie got burnt on this one.
The IV for MCE is, almost unquestionably, well above the current price. .
However, why this stock is so interesting is again the notion of IV. The IV for MCE is, almost unquestionably, well above the current price. But what people fail to realize is that huge numbers of stocks trade consistently, and for years, above any IV. So why IV in this case (whether it moves down or up from where you thought it was last month) has any business in the discussion (or at least to the level it does with MCE) is quite unusual. My suspicion is there are a lot of algorithmic traders (like myself) laughing at this fact and taking advantage by simply noting the trend.
Well, for what it's worth, I thought I'd share my experiences with MCE as a first post.
MCE is my fourth share purchase after an illustrious and lengthy involvement with the share market dating right the way back to May of 2011. I bought at $5.29 at 3:58PM on Monday of this week - the day before the annual report.
It certainly has been an experience watching the share price since.
Admittedly my views on purchasing MCE have been shaped largely by RM, but I really have noone to blame but myself on this one. I was aware that the annual report was imminent, I was even aware of Roger's own comments noting he had not bought in at these prices as he was waiting for further information on cash flow. What it was, in hindsight, was a gamble that a company whose SP had tumbled so far since I was watching it had to be undervalued. I felt sure that a company with a history (all 18 months of it?) of beating expectations would continue to do so, but - again in hindsight - it really was only a feeling.
I had done research on the nature of the company, and calculated both historical intrinsic value on the basis of previous annual reports and then used broker estimates to predict current IV at ~$11.
Really though, all the information was available to me to suggest that such an IV would not be met. Lack of contract announcements was one, previous MCE comments about a high AUD was another:
I note that MCE did hedge a portion of funds - I can't find where I was reading this but I was of the impression it was an amount that this would have likely been used during this FY?
I also rather glaringly appeared to have not factored in the recent equity raising into my calculations!
When all the information in the AR is factored in - information that I should have looked into better before the purchase - I get a IV of $4.61 for 2011 and $6.31 for 2012 (RR @ 14%)
I have mixed feelings about remaining with MCE at the moment. As noted on RM's blog, MCE's 20% revenue target is dependant on them landing ~$120m of new contracts. According to MCE, they're quoting on about ~$500m of new work, and have historically landed about a third of what they quote. On this basis you'd normally view the $120m figure over the next twelve months to be as easy as pie - but the problem is that they haven't landed anything over the last six months.
The establishment of MCE offices in the US certainly suggests that MCE management see opportunities there to improve market share. And it's entirely possible that the Henderson plant offers an ability to improve on revenue without landing many new contracts.
Regardless though, it really does seem like speculation from here on in. Or perhaps as McCoy Pauley put it this morning, an educated bet?
tl;dr - newbie got burnt on this one.
How so??????
Well, as skc says it depends on the calculations but simply look at current market cap (which is now quite low), assets, current order book (forget future orders), debt, cash, profit etc and it is pretty clear that classical notions of IV are above this price. JP has \approx 5.50 or something. I think my colleague was talking about $6-$7 but not sure how he came to this (and don't care to learn how).
However, I think you missed the point of my post (and my prev post was rather rambling I see - not used to posting in these boards). But my point is that trading based on this notion (even the somewhat classical idea) of IV is not going to get you anywhere in a market and with a stock that is not moving based on IV.
Pricing models that move stocks like these are worked out by thinking trades will be closed out in minutes/hours and definitely within the day. Assets, order books etc are not used to price these things in the short-term.
My other problem with all this talk about IV (and again I use this term more classically) is that it drives emotional responses to market movements.
That's right. I am going to trademark my methodology as "VUCIA"...
Could not resist buying more @ $4.20 today - had to sell something I did not want to sell but I could not let that price go past.
I hope you feel as good about it tomorrow night!
Don't feel too bad especially if you are holding long term as a few good contract wins will see the share price rise again.
It could be worse there are a lot of people who paid 8dollars for MCE.
MCE have 500 million out in quotes and historically they convert 38percent into contracts so that would give them at least a 20 percent increase in revenue next FY.
To play devil's advocate, MCE also has not announced a contract win for six months. I'm sceptical that they can convert the $500 million in quotes/tenders into solid revenue growth just at this point in time.
Who understands the demand side? because I sure don't. I assume oil demad is durable but is deep sea going to attract capital over shale, gas, etc etc.?
Looking forward to a MCE investor on fundamental grounds filling in some of these ? for me.
Well, for what it's worth, I thought I'd share my experiences with MCE as a first post.
MCE is my fourth share purchase after an illustrious and lengthy involvement with the share market dating right the way back to May of 2011. I bought at $5.29 at 3:58PM on Monday of this week - the day before the annual report.
It certainly has been an experience watching the share price since.
tl;dr - newbie got burnt on this one.
I'll be taking the opportunity to top up, I can't see it getting any cheaper.
I'm looking to get back in to MCE do you guys think its bottomed yet or is there still more too go?
Interesting, the share price is moving toward $8.50 - soon it may not even be worth participating in the SPP!
Having said that, I think MCE is currently undervalued and once they release this year's results it will be even more undervalued. Happy holding.
I will not be participating in the SPP, I added 10% to my MCE holdings today @ $8.39 (should have been a little more patient)
This will make five times I have bought MCE first @ $3.96, $3.86, $4.73, $4.64 and now $8.39.
Have not found a reason to sell yet
Jumped back onto MCE today near the low. I'm hoping that its close the end of its pull back from $10 and starts heading north again.
Speaking of technical - today's candle looks promising for at least tomorrow.
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