Market manipulation

[basilio]

Well the receipts are in. The factual evidence exists to show there was inside money that knew Donald Trump was about to reverse course on Tariffs.

Of course that decision would create a HUGE relief rally so betting on that outcome was equivalent to betting on a horse race after it had been run.

The evidence for this massive insider scam ?

Unusual $QQQ Options Surge: 2000% Rally Before Trump’s News!​

I want you to understand how unusual the moves were today.

Before Trump announced a pause, there was HUGE $QQQ volume on a 460C expiring 04/17.

They were bought for $0.85 and ran to as high as $31 per contract!!!

Understanding Unusual Market Moves: A Case Study on QQQ Options​

In the world of finance and stock trading, unusual market moves can often be indicators of significant shifts in investor sentiment or impending news. One such instance occurred recently with the QQQ options, specifically the 460C expiring on April 17, which saw a massive surge in activity that caught the attention of traders and analysts alike. This summary aims to dissect the events surrounding this unusual trading activity, its implications, and what it could mean for investors.

The Initial Surge in QQQ Options​

On April 10, 2025, an extraordinary volume of QQQ options was traded, particularly the 460C contracts. These options were initially purchased for $0.85 each, which is a relatively low entry point for traders. However, as the day progressed, these same contracts skyrocketed to as high as $31 per contract, representing an astonishing increase of over 3600%. This kind of price movement is not only unusual but also indicative of heightened market activity and speculation.

Context of the Market Movement​

What makes this particular situation even more intriguing is the timing of the surge. The significant volume in QQQ options occurred before any major news announcement or market event that could explain such a drastic price change. This raises questions about the motivations behind the trading activity. Was it a response to insider information, a speculative bet on upcoming market conditions, or a mere coincidence? The lack of news prior to the surge adds an element of mystery to the situation.

The Role of Trump’s Announcement​

Later in the same day, former President Donald Trump announced a pause in certain economic policies, which could have had implications for market performance. This announcement might have contributed to the rally in QQQ options, as traders reacted to the potential impact of Trump’s statements on tech stocks and the broader market. However, it is essential to note that the initial surge occurred independently of this announcement, suggesting that traders were anticipating some form of market movement or volatility.

Unusual $QQQ Options Surge: 2000% Rally Before Trump's News! - Trends Newsline

This scenario highlights the importance of volume analysis in options trading. Traders who pay attention to volume can identify potential opportunities and

trendsnewsline.com

 

[basilio]

This was also highlighted on Twitter.

Unusual Whales (@unusualwhales.bsky.social)

I want you to understand how unusual the moves were today. Before Trump announced a pause, there was HUGE $QQQ volume on a 460C expiring 04/17. They were bought for $0.85 and ran to as high as $31 per contract!!! This was before any news. Later in the day, it rallied 2000% in ten minutes.

bsky.app

 

[basilio]

There is no way the Department of Criminals Justice will investigate this issue.

I wonder if there is a capacity for private organisations or investigative journalists to find out who bought the options ? In theory they should have covered their tracks . Somehow I don't think that will have been the case here.

Just a feeling..

 

[Smurf1976]

I wonder if there is a capacity for private organisations or investigative journalists to find out who bought the options ? In theory they should have covered their tracks . Somehow I don't think that will have been the case here.

Someone will always have plausible deniability.

They'll just argue that, for example, they observed the crash during the pandemic and developed a real interest in the stock market due to that and are now simply applying that learning to trade the market in a similarly volatile situation. If anyone asks "why now?" well that's because they were waiting for volatility.

The nature of it's hard to prove. Even if someone doesn't regularly trade, they'll just say they were waiting for the next plunge and had a plan ready - it's impossible to prove that wasn't the case.

There's a lot of situations like that. The truth might be obvious but it can't be proven, there's a lawful alternative explanation for the action taken.

 

[basilio]

Someone will always have plausible deniability.

They'll just argue that, for example, they observed the crash during the pandemic and developed a real interest in the stock market due to that and are now simply applying that learning to trade the market in a similarly volatile situation. If anyone asks "why now?" well that's because they were waiting for volatility.

The nature of it's hard to prove. Even if someone doesn't regularly trade, they'll just say they were waiting for the next plunge and had a plan ready - it's impossible to prove that wasn't the case.

There's a lot of situations like that. The truth might be obvious but it can't be proven, there's a lawful alternative explanation for the action taken.

Smurf if it turns out the the options were taken by a wide range of random investors your case stands well.
However, if it turns out the options were placed by people in close contact with the Trump administration who appeared to be in the know about the policy reversal then the question of insider trading desrves closer investigation.*

The first step is identifying who took out the options.

*The likelihood of this corrupt administration doing such an investigation ? Zero. That's why it can only be done with external investigators.
Who took out the options ? How much did they make ? Simple question.

 

[divs4ever]

There is no way the Department of Criminals Justice will investigate this issue.

I wonder if there is a capacity for private organisations or investigative journalists to find out who bought the options ? In theory they should have covered their tracks . Somehow I don't think that will have been the case here.

Just a feeling..

IN THEORY the SEC should be looking at this.

but given the persistent insider trading that has gone on for decades , and naked short-selling ( whether is was legal or not at the time )

you can only wonder

but some privateer , or independent journalist MIGHT turn over the correct rock ( and find the money trail )

 

[Smurf1976]

Smurf if it turns out the the options were taken by a wide range of random investors your case stands well.
However, if it turns out the options were placed by people in close contact with the Trump administration who appeared to be in the know about the policy reversal then the question of insider trading desrves closer investigation.*

I understand what you're saying.

But hypothetically suppose I was in close contact with Trump. What am I going to say?

Well I'm going to say look see, the President keeps in contact with me and seeks my opinion because I know a lot about the economy. Because of my knowledge, well of course I manage my investments, it'd be silly if I didn't.

Even though the truth might seem obvious, how would anyone actually prove that my claim isn't true? It's not illegal to know about economics, it's not illegal to trade financial markets, and it's not illegal to provide an opinion to the President. Suspecting insider trading is one thing, actually proving it though?

 

[divs4ever]

I understand what you're saying.

But hypothetically suppose I was in close contact with Trump. What am I going to say?

Well I'm going to say look see, the President keeps in contact with me and seeks my opinion because I know a lot about the economy. Because of my knowledge, well of course I manage my investments, it'd be silly if I didn't.

Even though the truth might seem obvious, how would anyone actually prove that my claim isn't true? It's not illegal to know about economics, it's not illegal to trade financial markets, and it's not illegal to provide an opinion to the President. Suspecting insider trading is one thing, actually proving it though?

well somebody somewhere would have a list of who traded those options , if i were to do something like that ASIC would soon find my broker/platform and unless i was trading in a false name , i doubt i would be hard to trace , and if i was trading with a false identity , the profits would still leave some sort of money trail .. they track drug smugglers via transactions why not a rogue trader

 

[divs4ever]

now IF i genuinely had the inside info , and bought ( say ) $500 worth of options and sold them at ( say ) 10x i MIGHT get away with that claiming it was a lucky gamble if questioned .

but the size of the successful bet should leave a wide trail ( and maybe suggest the trader is too well-lawyered to convict )

 

[qldfrog]

I like the irony:
That is how it was released and treated then:

https://au.investing.com/news/economy-news/trump-says-be-cool--and-its-a-great-time-to-buy-as-trade-war-intensifies-3776956

On that very specific case, Trump publicly and widely advertised " great time to buy ".inc on social media
And the market jumped up as per Trump said when he mellowed the offer.
Damned how dares he...
Sure, some were in before the announcement but anyone including in Australia was free to jump into the not so insider trade.
If someone today still believes the raving ABC or worse News ltd headlines and does not understand the poker playing business dealing approach of Trump, i think they deserve what they get
I just wish i could join the real insiders on the market, .....but never got the call
Yet guess what, i was buying wo even following Trump advice , cashing 8% jumps and selling yesterday, insider buying or just looking at a graph ?
Imho, Insiders trading are not announced on social media or for the initial market fall, calls on a months old policy

 

[farmerge]

I like the irony:
That is how it was released and treated then:

https://au.investing.com/news/economy-news/trump-says-be-cool--and-its-a-great-time-to-buy-as-trade-war-intensifies-3776956

On that very specific case, Trump publicly and widely advertised " great time to buy ".inc on social media
And the market jumped up as per Trump said when he mellowed the offer.
Damned how dares he...
Sure, some were in before the announcement but anyone including in Australia was free to jump into the not so insider trade.
If someone today still believes the raving ABC or worse News ltd headlines and does not understand the poker playing business dealing approach of Trump, i think they deserve what they get
I just wish i could join the real insiders on the market, .....but never got the call
Yet guess what, i was buying wo even following Trump advice , cashing 8% jumps and selling yesterday, insider buying or just looking at a graph ?
Imho, Insiders trading are not announced on social media or for the initial market fall, calls on a months old policy

@qldfrog No doubt that The Trumpet through an obscure or little known company of which a member of the regal US of A Family controls were making the most of this insider trading. In today and out tomorrow.
All hail King and Queen, Princes and Barron Trump!!!!
The Yanks love royalty.
Proved that with the Kennedys until their demise, so this must be the second coming

 

[divs4ever]

@qldfrog No doubt that The Trumpet through an obscure or little known company of which a member of the regal US of A Family controls were making the most of this insider trading. In today and out tomorrow.
All hail King and Queen, Princes and Barron Trump!!!!
The Yanks love royalty.
Proved that with the Kennedys until their demise, so this must be the second coming

well he ( Trump ) did recruit Bobby jnr , who at least appears to have the old Kennedy values

now it might be a really wild card ... but would Bobby Jnr . go for President ( or vice President ) in 2028 ?

 

[farmerge]

well he ( Trump ) did recruit Bobby jnr , who at least appears to have the old Kennedy values

now it might be a really wild card ... but would Bobby Jnr . go for President ( or vice President ) in 2028 ?

Hmmm the Kennedy's longevity in politics apart from the Teddy Bear aren't that flash.
The eldest brother Joe didn't make it back from WWII as he was going to be the anointed one and thus the beginning of the Regal Power in US politics.

 

[divs4ever]

Hmmm the Kennedy's longevity in politics apart from the Teddy Bear aren't that flash.
The eldest brother Joe didn't make it back from WWII as he was going to be the anointed one and thus the beginning of the Regal Power in US politics.

well the bulk of them clinging to Biden and Harris probably didn't help the lineage come back from obscurity , ( when 'middle of the road ' became an eight-lane highway )

maybe the Kennedys have gone the way of the Hapsburgs , and maybe there is the tiniest spark left

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I like the irony:
That is how it was released and treated then:

https://au.investing.com/news/economy-news/trump-says-be-cool--and-its-a-great-time-to-buy-as-trade-war-intensifies-3776956

On that very specific case, Trump publicly and widely advertised " great time to buy ".inc on social media
And the market jumped up as per Trump said when he mellowed the offer.
Damned how dares he...
Sure, some were in before the announcement but anyone including in Australia was free to jump into the not so insider trade.
If someone today still believes the raving ABC or worse News ltd headlines and does not understand the poker playing business dealing approach of Trump, i think they deserve what they get
I just wish i could join the real insiders on the market, .....but never got the call
Yet guess what, i was buying wo even following Trump advice , cashing 8% jumps and selling yesterday, insider buying or just looking at a graph ?
Imho, Insiders trading are not announced on social media or for the initial market fall, calls on a months old policy

I must admit had I been on x.com at the time he made his announcement that "it was a great time to buy" I would have gone all in on the SPY amd SOXX. Insider trading occurs 24/7 somewhere in the world. One only has to look at CBA's price over the last 12 mo. to realise this.

I'm just dirty on it because I wasn't in the know.

gg

 

[farmerge]

I must admit had I been on x.com at the time he made his announcement that "it was a great time to buy" I would have gone all in on the SPY amd SOXX. Insider trading occurs 24/7 somewhere in the world. One only has to look at CBA's price over the last 12 mo. to realise this.

I'm just dirty on it because I wasn't in the know.

gg

@Garpal Gumnut Now, now gg, you wouldn't want to be involved in insider trading surely.
You of such high standing in the community!!!!!

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

@Garpal Gumnut Now, now gg, you wouldn't want to be involved in insider trading surely.
You of such high standing in the community!!!!!

As long as one can ensure that one is either not caught or the authorities are as useless as ASIC then I would not consider it inside trading. It is just part of a bigger game.

An example of malfeasance where crimes have been committed is Star SGR where money laundering has occurred and the authorities from the investigators up to parliament are aware, and have chosen to ignore the situation and have even gone as far as trying to save the company and sell it to colourful characters overseas. While it may not be insider trading it is what in the higher realms of the legal profession is described as "dodgy".

I myself have never been privy to inside information on stocks but wonder whether I could resist the temptation were I assured that I would not be shouldered by the constabulary. I certainly don't agree with insider trading when honest traders or investors are disadvantaged.

Trump's tweets on his banana vine of an app gave investors something like 15-30 minutes to take advantage of him letting the Europeans and other foreigners off the hook. It was a good signal and I doubt he would be found guilty in a court of law where the judges were in hock to him of any charges of insider trading.

gg

 

[divs4ever]

As long as one can ensure that one is either not caught or the authorities are as useless as ASIC then I would not consider it inside trading. It is just part of a bigger game.

An example of malfeasance where crimes have been committed is Star SGR where money laundering has occurred and the authorities from the investigators up to parliament are aware, and have chosen to ignore the situation and have even gone as far as trying to save the company and sell it to colourful characters overseas. While it may not be insider trading it is what in the higher realms of the legal profession is described as "dodgy".

I myself have never been privy to inside information on stocks but wonder whether I could resist the temptation were I assured that I would not be shouldered by the constabulary. I certainly don't agree with insider trading when honest traders or investors are disadvantaged.

Trump's tweets on his banana vine of an app gave investors something like 15-30 minutes to take advantage of him letting the Europeans and other foreigners off the hook. It was a good signal and I doubt he would be found guilty in a court of law where the judges were in hock to him of any charges of insider trading.

gg

inside information depends on how you use it

you might deliberately avoid ( or sell into the frenzy ) or invest in something that will benefit in parallel to the plot ( avoid the manipulated winner but back something that will be dragged up or down in the excitement ) , since you are likely to be a blip on the main feature film few will notice

greed and BIG bets have undone many over the years

 

[farmerge]

inside information depends on how you use it

you might deliberately avoid ( or sell into the frenzy ) or invest in something that will benefit in parallel to the plot ( avoid the manipulated winner but back something that will be dragged up or down in the excitement ) , since you are likely to be a blip on the main feature film few will notice

greed and BIG bets have undone many over the years

@divs4ever I still wonder just how much The Trumpet and the rest of his "Royal" Clan made from that earlier 15-20 minutes announcement before it was announced.

 

[farmerge]

G

@divs4ever I still wonder just how much The Trumpet and the rest of his "Royal" Clan made from that earlier 15-20 minutes announcement before it was announced.

@divs4ever Good evening divs. A late night for you?? For me sleep is only a couple of hours at a time.