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STORY SO FAR
• Malaysia Airlines plane has been shot down over eastern Ukraine by a surface-to-air missile
• 27 Australians included in the 295 people on board
• Pro-Russian separatists being blamed but they have denied this
A MALAYSIA Airlines plane with 295 people on board, including 27 Australians, has been shot down in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine.
Plumes of black smoke rose up near a rebel-held village of Grabovo in eastern Ukraine, at the crash site 40 kilometres (25 miles) from the Russian border. No survivors have been found.
Dutch authorities confirmed 27 Australians were on board, as well as 154 Dutch, 23 Malaysian, 11 Indonesian, six from the UK, four German, four Belgium, three Philippines, one Canadian and 47 were still unknown.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has confirmed that 23 Australians were on board and inquiries are continuing.
Ukraine's Kyiv Post newspaper has posted what it says is a conversation between a separatist commander and Russian intelligence officer Vasili Geranin.
In the transcript, released by Ukraine's security service, the separatist, identified as Igor Bezler, says: "We have just shot down a plane. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast)."
The paper also has a transcript of what it says is a conversation between two separatists identified as "Major" and "Greek".
My money is on the Russians (probably accidental) because I think it's highly unlikely that the separtists have acquired the equipment necessary to take down a plane at that altitude.
I dont have the link and it is unverified, but apparently a reporter who was in the rebel area recently said they had 6 or 7 tanks and a BUK missile system.
The Buk missiles also reportedly have been spotted in Syria. Russia delivered the systems to Damascus in recent years.
It's a bit different, doc, to ship a system off to the military of a sovereign state, with a clear CoC -- whatever you may think of the government -- than to ship it off to a few cowboys on the Ukrainian steppe with more vodka than sense. It's completely irresponsible, if it turns out they gave this system to the rebels.
It's really utterly disgraceful if that's what has happened.
It's really utterly disgraceful if that's what has happened.
You seem surprised that Russia would support a terrorist organisation whose sole aim is to regain control of sections of the Ukraine, to hand back to mother Russia, as happened in the Crimea. Sure they shot it down. Their reasoning is they thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane. Still terrorism in any language.
Why would the flight path take them over this area? Does this go to Boggo's point about cost cutting?
If so, Malaysia Airlines has some questions to answer as well as Putin et al.
Why is it that Qantas avoid route now.
Remember the volcanic eruption, Australia's three main airlines, Qantas, Virgin and REX all left their aircraft parked costing them a fortune. Who kept flying ?????
That war is happening between the ground and 60,000 feet, the climb ability of the rockets they have been supplied, going through there is gambling.
Err except the war Australia was part of in Afghanistan didn't stop Qantas flying over Afghanistan. I doubt ICAO/IATA/EU/Eurocontrol were all in cahoots keeping the airspace open to maximise the profitability of airlines.
Well plod I'm really worried your actually going to tell us who you think is behind this lol .
So i ask a big question, "who really could have been behind this shocking event"?
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