Wow could things get any worse...... one good bit of news in today's Gold Caost Bulletin is confirmation that capital repayments will start this week and according to the article LM has been able to sell down assests at a faster rate as the market had improved. Lets hope for those trusting investors, at a better price as well. I am not sure if the article is online I saw it in the printed version of the paper.
Very odd indeed, when a bunker mentality starts to set in. Look at Equititrust and McIvor and you start to see a pattern emerge. Given the failure of mortgage funds on the Gold Coast and the fact that LM's funds have been frozen did they expect not to be scrutinised by the media ?? The more scrutiny the better as far as I am concerned...
Great episode.
If half of Australia watched it I'd be happy.
As an overseas investor, I'd be happy if half of the world watched it.
Having fleeced too many home market retirees, LM turned its' attentions to the international market, initially regional expats but more lately to European and even the Islamic markets. I hope that the rest of the world does more research than I did and first has a good look around the web for LM Investment Management before endangering their life savings.
The 4 corners programme and a short ABC News item has been picked up by many Aus newspapers. If you google 'LM Investment Investigation' today there are pages and pages of local newspapers running the story. SMH and the like bring much needed (bad) publicity to these dodgy Gold Coast managers and in particular some the dealings of LM Investments and their broken funds. It may be too late for us current investors, but may save some others out there who are about to be conned. Eventually it may even have ASIC sort out their mechanisms which allow all this to happen again and again.
Just how do they get away with it? "Aw yeah, no but, well mate those funds fell over but our other ones are real good."
The world needs to know that the Gold Coast has more sharks on dry land than it does in the bloody sea!
It's been a while since we've had any good news in this whole debacle, however small, but still welcome. I've had a look at the Bulletin website but couldn't find any reference to the article you mentioned. Sure it wasn't another LM spruik inserted by LM as an advert? I'm just getting so cynical about it all these days.
So the market is alleged to have improved - at least that provides some hope to us investors. I am still highly sceptical about how much the market values had collapsed anyway. My IFA told me that the funds were a safe investment, all secured by Aussie mortgages, so that must be true! Sure, and GFC apart, real values are never what the experts assert, but what can be actually realised from a sale. But if there are no buyers for a period, so no sales, that cannot mean the value is zero! How much could LM Investment have been manipulating the fund under management values for their own ends? Is it possible that we have seen high fund values maintained for deducting management fees; which are then rapidly reduced for disposal of assets to a bunch of their Gold Coast property mates; and which recover when the real property purchasers return to the market? I was just wondering, but I think there must be some smart analysts out there who could ask some very probing questions of all LM's advisors, consultants, agents, accountants and auditors.
I was always very suspicious about the "hold 'em or fold 'em" mechanism proposed by LM. There never seemed to be any indication of which assets would be sold and which retained, or how those decisions would be made. Quickly dispose of the poorer assests (akin to a fire sale, promised as would never happen) to clear out the selling investors, then keep the better assets for longer term and those management fees again. I'm glad it never got to that.
Lets's see what comes out of LM next.
I have it on reasonable authority that the very trigger for the "4 Corners" episode was the fact that the link to Peter Drake's webpage was posted on this very thread - otherwise no one would have been the wiser about the video - one would have though he'd watch the video before posting it - I guess he didn't.
These forums have much more effect on the "powers that be" than many imagine.
I have it on reasonable authority that the very trigger for the "4 Corners" episode was the fact that the link to Peter Drake's webpage was posted on this very thread - otherwise no one would have been the wiser about the video - one would have though he'd watch the video before posting it - I guess he didn't.
These forums have much more effect on the "powers that be" than many imagine.
... LM is just what it is expected: BS artists fleecing investors with ill considered investments and high fees. If you have sht4branes and invest in this company, you get what you deserve. I have no bitterness towards LM as they are what they are and the outcome is highly predictable. ...
Mapc, you raise an interesting point, who is advising him? Is he following his own advice? Yipes !! As I see it, he's not doing himself any favours. I don't know what happens to many of these managers, but they really do seem to be living in a world of their own.
I wanted to comment on the spruik but I pressed the wrong button - and the whole spruik was posted - Yipes !! (again)
I'll comment in another post.
Hi Asick According to to Ben Butler in today's SMH CBD it seems "Drake hired so called mayor maker - Graham Staerk as a lobbyist in November...to help with its stoush with Trilogy...". According to the article it seems Graham has been wining and dining journalists all over the country. Maybe something is yet to surface but it seems LM may have wasted their money, especially if Peter's new social platform was his idea.
Unfortunately for those without access to SMH hard copy I can't find the article online.
Ah ! Mapc, were you just too shy to publish it?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/supa-centre-sale-an-offtrack-win-20130311-2fwcm.html?skin=text-only
We should keep in mind that the SMH has an axe to grind, after all, Peter Drake has them down at the NSW Supreme Court in Sydney. [remember Michael West's recent one-eyed report about LM]
And that "social platform" (as you call it) ... whose ever idea it was, it wasn't a good one.
oh dear .. the things some folks do.
as to the comments about "pirates" - it depends on one's perspective.
... I am further advised that a net distribution will be made to Unit holders by Trilogy ASAP ...
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