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LM Investment Management - Lack of confidence

Teleconference was a non event.

Drake didn't front, but the other directors and some former directors(who are now consulting to LM) were there.

There was some discussion about the unit price and whether they saw any further deterioration. They are actually due to be revalued now (December) for the 6monthly update so in theory we should know by March

Refinanced with DBcapped at 25m ( they currently owe 29.5m) and will be fixed for 2.5years

When asked about interest rate, despite falling rates they said it will still be in the order of 14 -15%.!!!

RG45 will be released in Early January

BIS SCHrapnel report will be released at same time(they are waiting on one piece of info apparently)

2x income catch up payments will happen shortly and will advise in early January about capital distributions schedule but said first capital distribution will be in March


They expect the sales programme to take 3 years!!

Ok, call me crazy, but why would LM pay investors anything? Why wouldn't the facility be paid off ASAP? (the interest rate is over the top - murderous). For investors to put some money in the bank at 5% and leave that amount in the fund paying 14% - 15% - I'd call that nonsensical.

Keep in mind, Trilogy only paid back $0.0875/unit in nearly three and a half years (nothing for the first year) - and made more than $17m for its management services.

I don't think it's a good look for Drake not to turn up and inspire investors - quite the shame really. They don't seem to have learned too much at all.

They're shy with a RG45, that's worrying. The RG45 will disclose how much risk in the loans in table "H" (loans in LVR ranges), regardless of the spruiked unit price.

If the facility is paid off promptly, that'll mean asset sales, and if LM assets follow the PFMF's assets, that'll mean a drop in the unit price which in turn puts pressue on the fund to repay (a viscious circle) - after all, the bank isn't going to lose, investors will. If LM is being paid its management fee on FUM (Funds Under Management), then it'll be picking up a fee on the bank debt too - such arrangements are nice little earners and, to my mind, disincentives for managers to pay down debt in such circumstances.

Looking from "outside", I'd say things aren't looking good at all.

PS... well, at least the Bank'll have a merry xmas - ah! those stupid Australians!
 
Thanks to IRISHDAN for his summary, I may also get some info soon to compare from my Platform people.

ASICK I can't let some of your recent comments go without some clarity

ASICK Quote - you seem to have some sensitivity on what you regard as a simple issue. Answer yes I do, and maybe IF LM starts paying distributions again, as indicated by Irishdan, then I will be a little more happy.

ASICK Quote However, you don't seem too bothered---- Answerhow would you know?, of course I am bothered, so much so I wrote to ASGARD and strongly advised them NOT to support Trilogy, based on a lot of what you have written. Asgard/BT chose to ignore me, because a very large Institutional Investor was pushing them hard.

ASICK Quote So, you're looking for credibility and transparency, and you choose Trilogy? Answer I did not choose Trilogy , The Platforms did!!!

ASICK I think you may have misunderstood my reason for mentioning Centrelink, it was so that you may have another perspective on what may be of concern to some investors. I have no control of the Unit Price irrespective of whether its LM or Trilogy as RE


PS a few moments ago Trilogy just posted an LM WFMIF update , I have just received it, it makes interesting reading
 
Trilogy: Double Standards ?

Thanks to IRISHDAN for his summary, I may also get some info soon to compare from my Platform people.

ASICK I can't let some of your recent comments go without some clarity

ASICK Quote - you seem to have some sensitivity on what you regard as a simple issue. Answer yes I do, and maybe IF LM starts paying distributions again, as indicated by Irishdan, then I will be a little more happy.

ASICK Quote However, you don't seem too bothered---- Answerhow would you know?, of course I am bothered, so much so I wrote to ASGARD and strongly advised them NOT to support Trilogy, based on a lot of what you have written. Asgard/BT chose to ignore me, because a very large Institutional Investor was pushing them hard.

ASICK Quote So, you're looking for credibility and transparency, and you choose Trilogy? Answer I did not choose Trilogy , The Platforms did!!!

ASICK I think you may have misunderstood my reason for mentioning Centrelink, it was so that you may have another perspective on what may be of concern to some investors. I have no control of the Unit Price irrespective of whether its LM or Trilogy as RE


PS a few moments ago Trilogy just posted an LM WFMIF update , I have just received it, it makes interesting reading


Hi Rodent, Sorry, I assumed (yes, nasty word) from the tenor of your posting. Thanks for setting me straight on those issues.

Is this the update? from 23 November 2012? http://www.trilogyfunds.com.au/site/assets/files/23 November 2012 - LM Wholesale Fund update.pdf

I note this excerpt with particular interest, "3. As the RE of the Wholesale Fund, our first question to LM relates to the disposal of a Holding Fund asset, described as a ‘student accommodation property’ located in Cairns. The property was last purchased for $10 million but recently sold for as little as $3.85 million. We also understand that the carrying value of the loan was more than $10 million. If this is correct, we need to understand how this gross loss of investor funds came about under LM’s management."

From the company which resided over the devaluation of the PFMF's Martha Cove assets by $0.08/unit, or about $71m ! That's SEVENTY-ONE MILLION DOLLARS !!!!
http://balmaintrilogy.com.au/pdf/BTI 5125 Unitholder Letter.pdf

From the company which resided over a further fall in non-Martha Cove assets' value by $0.07/unit, or about $62m ! That's SIXTY-TWO MILLION DOLLARS !!!
http://balmaintrilogy.com.au/pdf/BTI 5125 Unitholder Letter.pdf

A total downing of the unitholders' equity by $133m in ONE YEAR - That's ONE HUNDRED & THIRTY THREE MILLION DOLLARS !!!

and from the company which resided over a more than 74% loss on the PFMF's remaining NSW asset at The Entrance: http://moneymagik.com/the_entrance_in_one_line.php

And Trilogy feels the need to get to the bottom of the loss even though it doesn't know what the carrying value for the loan is - it very well could be that the carrying value is about .59 * $10m, or $5.9m (in line with an even write down of fund security assets over time) - heck, that's just a guess too !

Three and a half years of Trilogy : At Wakerley - http://www.moneymagik.com/wakerley_4.jpg

Further, Trilogy says, "We have met with the Wholesale Fund auditors Ernst & Young, who are also the auditors of the Holding Fund, to understand why the 2012 accounts are so late. Without access to the accounts, investors remain oblivious to the true financial state of the Fund and the value of their investment. This is particularly concerning given successive write downs in unit value and LM’s 8 November admission that a further write down for the 2012 financial year is likely."

Trilogy, as manager of the Wholesale Fund, is not entitled to have confidential information in relation to the LM FMIF disclosed to it. IMO, such disclosure would put the auditors in a difficult position.

Trilogy also said this, "Through an Extraordinary General Meeting held in Sydney on 1 November 2012 (the Meeting), 69% of Members representing 53.8% of the value of the Wholesale Fund" - it seems to me that they got the fund by a the slimmest of margins and that some big unitholders didn't agree with a switch to Trilogy. Further takeovers might be a tad difficult for Trilogy - Trilogy might just have to settle in with its seven grand a week - ah! that's be a nice earner for not too much to do!

Oh! I didn't note a "Thanks for the seven grand a week" - I guess investors must just have to take that for granted.
 
Trilogy (as RE of the Wholesale Fund)

Geez, I just can't let it go:

"3. As the RE of the Wholesale Fund, our first question to LM relates to the disposal of a Holding Fund asset, described as a ‘student accommodation property’ located in Cairns. The property was last purchased for $10 million but recently sold for as little as $3.85 million. We also understand that the carrying value of the loan was more than $10 million. If this is correct, we need to understand how this gross loss of investor funds came about under LM’s management."

Maybe Trilogy (as RE of the Wholesale Fund) should have taken the time to have a quick chat with Trilogy (as RE for the PFMF) and it might have found out that the PFMF has itself suffered gross losses, and that Trilogy (as RE for the PFMF) might have disclosed that:-

The PFMF's assets are continuing to erode, "Despite the continuing erosion of the Fund’s underlying real property values,"; and the market conditions are exacerbating, "In doing so, we have sought to tailor the timing and method of asset realisations in order to maintain their value and counteract, as much as possible, the exacerbating market conditions."
http://balmaintrilogy.com.au/pdf/BTI 5125 Unitholder Letter.pdf

"ex·ac·er·bate [ig-zas-er-beyt, ek-sas-] Show IPA
verb (used with object), ex·ac·er·bat·ed, ex·ac·er·bat·ing.
1. to increase the severity, bitterness, or violence of (disease, ill feeling, etc.); aggravate."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exacerbate

Trilogy (as RE for the Wholesale Fund) might reason that, "maybe the market is continuing to erode with exacerbating market conditions?"

Trilogy (as RE for the PFMF) might also inform Trilogy (as RE for the Wholesale Fund) that the loss at the PFMF's commerical properties at The Entrance was in excess of 74% in just six weeks and that, even if the holding value of Cairns property was $10m, a return of $3.85m, a loss of 61.5% is actually a better performance than Trilogy (as RE of the PFMF) with a loss of in excess of 74% in only SIX WEEKS!

So, if Trilogy (as RE of the Wholesale Fund) did have a chat to Trilogy (as RE for the PFMF), then the problem would have been solved and Trilogy (as Wholesale fund RE) could have reported its findings to the members of the Wholesale fund who are doubtlessly hanging on for some affirmation that Trilogy is doing something of value for its seven grand a week.

In the circumstances, the findings might be:-

"1. that the market might be eroding with conditions exacerbating (causing substantial impairments) just like those suffered by the PFMF with Trilogy (as PFMF RE), and
2. the outcome is better than a sale experienced by Trilogy (as RE of the PFMF) at The Entrance NSW.
3. A good outcome for LM FMIF investors, and therefore a good outcome for Wholesale Fund investors!
Three cheers for LM"

I'm still a tad bemused about Trilogy failing to mention that the auditors couldn't discuss LM FMIF confidential information with them - I guess it's all about spin and perception - reality isn't going to earn brownie points with the punters.

Trilogy has had some experience in groaning to ASIC.
http://www.investordaily.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/id/style/14734.htm?rdeCOQ=SID-0A3D9632-44A6960E

Yes, a meeting with ASIC -- that'll scare the pants off LM.
 
Seven Grand a Week - No Way!

Why did I think it was only $7,000 per week - darn, if only !

It's $28,846 per week - now, that's a really good earner for not too much to do !

Page 1, paragraph "Our appointment as RE of the Wholesale Fund has provided immediate benefits for investors: ... 2":-

"LM Wholesale First Mortgage Income Fund
Before Meeting: $3.8m
After Meeting: $1.5m
Saving: $2.3m"

http://www.trilogyfunds.com.au/site/assets/files/23 November 2012 - LM Wholesale Fund update.pdf
 
Dream On ...

http://www.trilogyfunds.com.au/site/assets/files/23 November 2012 - LM Wholesale Fund update.pdf

"In the mean time, we welcome the opportunity to discuss any concerns you may have or to share with you the vision for your Fund that your fellow investors have asked us to pursue." - yep, I guess it is a "mean time", but during that "mean time", wouldn't it be a buzz to see the "vision" of the fund that other investors have asked Trilogy to pursue?

Ah .. vision ... a noun?

"vi·sion [vizh-uh n] noun
1 the act or power of sensing with the eyes; sight.
2. the act or power of anticipating that which will or may come to be: prophetic vision; the vision of an entrepreneur.
3. an experience in which a personage, thing, or event appears vividly or credibly to the mind, although not actually present, often under the influence of a divine or other agency: a heavenly messenger appearing in a vision. Compare hallucination ( def 1 ) .
4. something seen or otherwise perceived during such an experience: The vision revealed its message.
5. a vivid, imaginative conception or anticipation: visions of wealth and glory.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vision

I had a vision once - it came about when I partook of some GLM - perhaps I was hallucinating?

Now Trilogy has a vision to share. Will it be a vision of wealth? is it prophetic? It's the vision that other investors have asked Trilogy to pursue - "to pursue a vision" - interesting concept, yet it sounds somewhat biblical to me: Trilogy wanting to share a vision, a vision sought by others - soft heavenly music is all that's needed to make the scene complete.

Of course, if one is too optimistic in the course of attempting to fulfil a vision, then one need only say so:
http://www.moneymagik.com/295_gone_and_thats_that.mp3
(Rodger Bacon of Trilogy speaking with a fund member in early December 2012)

So, what's the vision? distributions? redemptions? legal actions? increased unit price? Full and frank disclosure?

Big Bubbles? .... No Troubles!

and look, to find out more about the vision, you can phone/email David Jansen, the author of that independent report which recommended Trilogy --> "David Jansen on + 64 21 675 244 or jansendw@gmail.com" - now, that's handy.
 
Re: Dream On ...

Hi

I have been following this post with increasing concern for my money. I invested in a 3 year term of the LM Managed Performance Fund about six months ago as an off-shore investment through a financial adviser. Now having moved to Australia I see that things are not entirely smooth at LM. How do I get myself and my money out of this?
 
LM Managed Performance Fund

Hi

I have been following this post with increasing concern for my money. I invested in a 3 year term of the LM Managed Performance Fund about six months ago as an off-shore investment through a financial adviser. Now having moved to Australia I see that things are not entirely smooth at LM. How do I get myself and my money out of this?

Hi georgiannawadi,

Here is some information I've found online (I'm sure you'll have all of this):-

Re: LM Managed Performance Fund:
Disclosure Update as at 23 October 2012: http://www.lmaustralia.com/Downloads/Portfolio-updates/MPF_portfolio_update.pdf

$365m in loans with the largest of 18 mortgages being $224m
72% residential loans with 73% (5 loans = $266.5m) of all loan value being located Queensland. (with one loan of $224m, clearly that loan is in Queensland).

I guess this update is the fund's RG45 disclosure - there's no mention of any loans being rolled over - given the locations and types of the assets I would have expected damage to the fund, and if not damage, then some rolling-over of loans going on.

Just a week later, in the fund fact sheet dated 31 October 2012, $385m in FUM is disclosed (which includes loans as well as cash) http://www.lmaustralia.com/Downloads/FactSheets/MPF-fact-sheet.pdf

The fact sheet discloses an 8.3% return for 2012 (in AUD)

georgiannawadi, do you have the 2012 financial return for the fund? If you have it, please post it on line, or post a link to it. Sometimes I lose track when I attempt to navigate around LM's site.

Given the problems the LM FMIF is experiencing, I'm a little curious to know why the managed performance fund is travelling so well?

Looking at the information, it seems (at this time), nothing happening in the LM FMIF seems to have anything to do with your fund. Perhaps it'll take a long, serious conversation with your financial advisor to either put you at ease, or alternatively, to cause you to lose sleep.

If you do have a problem with your investment, then a trip to a solicitor for some serious legal advice is warranted.
 
ASICK no that's no the Doc, I will try and attach it here, if I can remember how. Just checked their Web site cant find it

Let's see what happens Doc is called LM Wholesale Fund Update 14 Dec 2012 PDF
 

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Ah Trilogy - You've Done it Again!

ASICK no that's no the Doc, I will try and attach it here, if I can remember how. Just checked their Web site cant find it

Let's see what happens Doc is called LM Wholesale Fund Update 14 Dec 2012 PDF

Thanks Rodent.

Ah .. at last, I note from Trilogy's 14 December 2012 update that BDO comes on board (BDO also audits the PFMF) - I won't be surprised if PKF (as I understand it, now part of BDO) is appointed as receiver to some assets if Trilogy takes over the main fund.

PKF is the receiver appointed to this asset :http://moneymagik.com/wakerley_2_sep_2009.php

Ah, Trilogy, the "captain of spin":-

"2012 Financial Statements
We have now received a ‘draft’ copy of the 30 June 2012 Financial Statements from LM. In order to finalise the accounts, Trilogy needs to be satisfied that the accounts have been prepared in accordance with the Corporations Act and that they present a true and fair view of the Fund’s financial position as at 30 June 2012. Trilogy will need to work with the Fund’s external auditors in order to achieve this. Due to the unavailability of the external auditors, we will not be able to finalise the accounts until early January 2013."

And off they go to spend some of your money - to ensure that LM's accounts are prepared in accordance with the corporations act and that they present a true and fair view of the funds' financial position as at 30 June 2012. So, you're all very lucky indeed to have an auditor check an auditor - (note below, Triogy have changed the fund's auditor to BDO - lucky BDO to get all this business)

"Net asset value - According to the draft 2012 Financial Statements received from LM, the net asset value per unit is 59 cents. This corresponds with the net asset value per unit as disclosed in the LM First Mortgage Income Fund’s (the First Mortgage Income Fund) financial report for the year ended 30 June 2012. Please note that we are unable to independently verify this net asset value. We are not yet in receipt of sufficient information from LM to enable us to provide daily unit pricing."

Spin, spin, spin - unless there's some sort of arrangement between the Wholesale fund and the LM FMIF, Trilogy isn't going to be able to independently verify anything more than investors in the Wholesale fund will able to independently verify anything Trilogy does !

Now, why is daily unit pricing important? Well, it could be (as in the PFMF), that the manager's fees are calculated daily - wow! over $28k a week and calculated daily - Trilogy will want to make sure it gets its just deserts - how does it affect investors? well, it realy doesn't.

Of course this steady and careful expedition to oncover the real value - hum... I wonder if they did that when they issued $3.555m in $1.00 units in 2009 in the Trilogy Healthcare REIT fund when the current value for each unit as at 30 June 2008 was only $0.63/unit? [you know, I would have thought Trilogy would have approached those investors and said "Hey, listen, We know you guys paid was $1.00/unit, but they were only worth $1.00 per unit, so we'll refund the $0.37/unit" - but, they didn't ! ] : http://moneymagik.com/analysis_REIT.php

page 8 at this link tells the whole story : http://moneymagik.com/Trilogy_Healthcare_REIT_2010.pdf

129,800 units issued for $1.00 each when the current value for each unit was only $0.60 !

Not once, but TWICE:-

In 2009: 3.555m units for $1.00 (current value $0.63), and
In 2010: 129.6k units for $1.00 (current value $0.60)

In comes BDO:

"2012 Tax Statements
We have been advised by LM that work has not yet commenced on preparing the tax statements for investors in the Fund. As a consequence, we have appointed BDO as tax agent and have commenced discussions with them to expedite the completion of the Fund’s year end tax statement. Our initial review would suggest that there is no taxable income to investors for the year ended 30 June 2012. We are working towards releasing statements very early in the new calendar year."

Really, just a "suggestion" that there'll be no taxable income? Okay, call me crazy, but are they leaving the door open for investors to think there'll be some taxable income ? ho hum.

"Outstanding redemptions and unpaid distributions
It has been brought to our attention that a number of investors requested to redeem their units in the Wholesale Fund prior to it being frozen. Many of these investors have contacted us to ask whether their request can now be processed. We have also received a number of queries from investors in relation to a distribution that was declared by LM but never actually paid.

We are not yet in possession of sufficient information to make a statement regarding unpaid distributions. In terms of outstanding redemptions, the sole assets of the Wholesale Fund are units in the First Mortgage Income Fund, which is currently still being managed by LM. As such, the Fund can only generate liquidity if LM sells the assets in the First Mortgage Income Fund and distributes the net sale proceeds. While we don’t have any direct control over the disposal of assets in the First Mortgage Income Fund, LM has agreed to an orderly sell down of assets, which we intend to monitor. As such, returns to investors are likely to be by way of capital returns rather than redemptions."

On the face of it, I would have thought that the declared current value of a LM FMIF unit at $0.59 would be enough information to say that there'll be no distributions (other than capital) - no big surprise there, but it gives Trilogy much to spruik about - it really does make them look like they're doing something.

What'll really be the fun part will to look at see just how much on management, legal and auditing fees - and to see just how much of each $1.00 parceled out the Wholesale fund from LM's FMIF actually gets to investors.

"... LM has agreed to an orderly sell down of assets, which we intend to monitor. ..." - hey, good on 'em - just like we'll love to monitor Trilogy's "in one line" sales of PFMF assets, like down at The Entrance, NSW:
http://moneymagik.com/the_entrance_in_one_line.php
 
Re: Ah Trilogy - You've Done it Again!

... "Net asset value - According to the draft 2012 Financial Statements received from LM, the net asset value per unit is 59 cents. This corresponds with the net asset value per unit as disclosed in the LM First Mortgage Income Fund’s (the First Mortgage Income Fund) financial report for the year ended 30 June 2012. Please note that we are unable to independently verify this net asset value. We are not yet in receipt of sufficient information from LM to enable us to provide daily unit pricing."

... Of course this steady and careful expedition to oncover the real value - hum... I wonder if they did that when they issued $3.555m in $1.00 units in 2009 in the Trilogy Healthcare REIT fund when the current value for each unit as at 30 June 2008 was only $0.63/unit? [you know, I would have thought Trilogy would have approached those investors and said "Hey, listen, We know you guys paid was $1.00/unit, but they were only worth $1.00 per unit, so we'll refund the $0.37/unit" - but, they didn't ! ] : http://moneymagik.com/analysis_REIT.php

page 8 at this link tells the whole story : http://moneymagik.com/Trilogy_Healthcare_REIT_2010.pdf

129,800 units issued for $1.00 each when the current value for each unit was only $0.60 !

Not once, but TWICE:-

In 2009: 3.555m units for $1.00 (current value $0.63), and
In 2010: 129.6k units for $1.00 (current value $0.60) ...
(emphasis added)

The comment should be amended thus, "Hey, listen, We know you guys paid was $1.00/unit, but they were only worth $0.63 per unit, so we'll refund the $0.37/unit" (emphasis added)

Here's Trilogy performance in the PFMF (as the 30 June each year):
2009 $0.48/unit Loss = 0%
2010 $0.43/unit Loss = 10%
2011 $0.36/unit Loss = 25%
2012 $0.21/unit Loss = 56%
http://moneymagik.com/general_information.php
(see Table headed "The PFMF is Going Down")

For one, I find it difficult to handle Trilogy spruiking , "3. As the RE of the Wholesale Fund, our first question to LM relates to the disposal of a Holding Fund asset, described as a ‘student accommodation property’ located in Cairns. The property was last purchased for $10 million but recently sold for as little as $3.85 million. We also understand that the carrying value of the loan was more than $10 million. If this is correct, we need to understand how this gross loss of investor funds came about under LM’s management." (emphasis added)

Generally, the comment is a fair one, that's a hell of a loss - but then, the reality is that it's not unlike losses suffered by the PFMF under Trilogy's management. Crickey, unit price for Trilogy's Healthcare REIT (as at 30 June 2012) was NEGATIVE - Can you believe it? A negative unit price? http://moneymagik.com/analysis_REIT.php

In fact, as stated in a previous posting, LM has outperformed Trilogy when two sales were compared - however, $0.63% loss is not too bad when compared with Trilogy's overall performance in a number of its funds:-
http://moneymagik.com/three_part_trilogy_funds_management_tragedy.php

Putting it into perspective, as at 30 June 2012, Trilogy lost 56% of its starting value in the PFMF. That's$0.26/unit, or about $230.4m - TWO HUNDRED & THIRTY POINT FOUR MILLION ! NEARLY HALF OF WHICH WAS LOST IN 2012 ALONE !

Readers know about the loss at The Entrance : http://moneymagik.com/the_entrance_in_one_line.php
about the over three years of NOT ONE unit sold at "Grande Pacific" : http://moneymagik.com/grande_what.php
about the disappeared pollution down at Braeside : http://moneymagik.com/pollution_what_pollution.php
and about the mess at "Woodgrove" : http://moneymagik.com/wakerley_pictures_01_11_12.php

but the clincher is the purchase of the unit at "King Tide" on the Gold Coast (Qld):-

Of they went and formed a Group (the PFMF and an entity owing one unit in "King Tide"):-

"Wholly owned subsidiary of the Scheme - The Responsible Entity established a separate wholly owned subsidiary of the Scheme on 7 April 2010, namely King Tide Management Pty Limited (King Tide). This entity was created in order to acquire the management rights associated with a property over which the Group holds security. The subsidiary did
not commence trading activities during the year." [PFMF return 2010]
http://moneymagik.com/PFMF_return_jun_2010.pdf

Then in 2012 [PFMF return 2012]:-

[note 4] - "On 7 April 2010, the Group established a separate wholly owned subsidiary named King Tide Management Pty Limited (King Tide), giving it a controlling interest in the shares of the company. The subsidiary company was incorporated and domiciled in Australia and was a dormant entity for the period to 30 June 2012." http://www.vasin.com.au/faq/How-do-I-close-down-a-company.html
(December 2012 may see the "Group" return to a mere lossy fund)

[note 8] - "The Investment Manager recommended that the Group acquire a residential apartment with a strategy to gain control over the entire complex (of which the Group holds a number of apartments as security for a mortgage loan) with the intention of selling the potential development opportunity of this site as a whole, in order to
maximise returns to unitholders. The Group paid a deposit to acquire an additional apartment, as well as the management rights over the entire complex.

Subsequent to the proposed acquisition of the additional apartment and management rights, the South East Queensland property market experienced further significant deterioration which no longer made the Investment Managers strategy feasible. As a consequence, the apartment held by the Group was placed on the market for sale. The planned acquisition of the additional apartment and management rights cancelled with deposit monies returned to the Group." http://moneymagik.com/PFMF_return_30_June_2012.pdf

The Investment Manager (that'd be Balmain Trilogy, a construct of both Balmain and Trilogy) recommended the Group (that'd be the PFMF and the entity which acquired the sold unit at "King Tide").

Trilogy's little adventure cost the fund $256,331 (lost) from an outlay of $473,831 (adjusting for refunds). In percentage terms, a loss of 54%.

Now, we're not talking the dates as outlined in LM's asset at Cairns, we're talking purchasing a unit in 2010 - and even purchasing in 2010.

So, if anyone out there thinks Trilogy is only capable of losing investors' money in managed schemes with security assets acquired in 2007/2008 and revalued, think again - it's even capable of losing big time in buying an apartment on the Gold Coast in 2010 - as I understood it, in 2010, the Gold Coast was a buyer's heaven.
 
Re: LM Managed Performance Fund

Asick, the large loan in QLD is associated with Maddison estate Which we know is controlled by none other than Peter Drake. Essentially lending money to himself!!!

It would appear that Managed Performance fund is not subject to same reporting provisions as the other funds as it is only for overseas investors and platforms. Probably explains why some of the advisers who provided testimonials for the website referred to visiting "Maddison" as part of thier Junket,

Georgiannawadi, I would agitate with LM to get your money out and I agree with Asick, it might be worth getting a lawyer to assist you


Hi georgiannawadi,

Here is some information I've found online (I'm sure you'll have all of this):-

Re: LM Managed Performance Fund:
Disclosure Update as at 23 October 2012: http://www.lmaustralia.com/Downloads/Portfolio-updates/MPF_portfolio_update.pdf

$365m in loans with the largest of 18 mortgages being $224m
72% residential loans with 73% (5 loans = $266.5m) of all loan value being located Queensland. (with one loan of $224m, clearly that loan is in Queensland).

I guess this update is the fund's RG45 disclosure - there's no mention of any loans being rolled over - given the locations and types of the assets I would have expected damage to the fund, and if not damage, then some rolling-over of loans going on.

Just a week later, in the fund fact sheet dated 31 October 2012, $385m in FUM is disclosed (which includes loans as well as cash) http://www.lmaustralia.com/Downloads/FactSheets/MPF-fact-sheet.pdf

The fact sheet discloses an 8.3% return for 2012 (in AUD)

georgiannawadi, do you have the 2012 financial return for the fund? If you have it, please post it on line, or post a link to it. Sometimes I lose track when I attempt to navigate around LM's site.

Given the problems the LM FMIF is experiencing, I'm a little curious to know why the managed performance fund is travelling so well?

Looking at the information, it seems (at this time), nothing happening in the LM FMIF seems to have anything to do with your fund. Perhaps it'll take a long, serious conversation with your financial advisor to either put you at ease, or alternatively, to cause you to lose sleep.

If you do have a problem with your investment, then a trip to a solicitor for some serious legal advice is warranted.
 
Re: LM Managed Performance Fund

Asick, the large loan in QLD is associated with Maddison estate Which we know is controlled by none other than Peter Drake. Essentially lending money to himself!!!

It would appear that Managed Performance fund is not subject to same reporting provisions as the other funds as it is only for overseas investors and platforms. Probably explains why some of the advisers who provided testimonials for the website referred to visiting "Maddison" as part of thier Junket,

Georgiannawadi, I would agitate with LM to get your money out and I agree with Asick, it might be worth getting a lawyer to assist you

IrishDan, I don't know much about his "Maddison" estate?

If it's a development that's not generating cash flow, then how are investors paid?

To comment, we really need to see a financial statement.
 
Hi Guys,

as an investor in the long frozen LM CPAIF I was stirred by your recommendations for Georgiannawadi to take legal advice. Although a first time poster, I have been following your thread with great interest since the early days and found it very informative, even if a bit soul destroying. I do appreciate the time and effort that you guys have been putting into research and making posts. ASICK has obviously had a long and bitter experience with a similar bunch of charatans, which I'd like to avoid if possible.

Some of the earlier posts referred to Piper-Alderman and their potential Class Action, plus another mention of Selbourne Chambers as possible barristers. I have contacted both of these firms, but cannot see very much happening so far. Do any of the other thread readers know what the current status is regarding any sort of possible legal action? I provided some details requested by Piper-Alderman but their wheels of justice are grinding far too slowly. Are there other law firms out there doing anything or making any progress at all?

With my fund now having only a provisioned unit value of 59 cents, and reducing rapidly, I am looking for any alternatives to recouping some of my losses. (Or LM's losses on my behalf, thankyou.) My confidence in LM ran out long ago, but from the financial details you have been digging up it's clear that their mismanagement of the funds is much more than just a bit of bad luck due to the GFC, or whatever else they try to blame on the market values. The threat from Trilogy eventually squeezed some action out of LM regarding their fees, and I'm convinced that more pressure to clear up their mess must be brought upon them from whatever source available.
Any ideas?
 
Trilogy: A Perspective Gained From Experience

Hi Guys,

as an investor in the long frozen LM CPAIF I was stirred by your recommendations for Georgiannawadi to take legal advice. Although a first time poster, I have been following your thread with great interest since the early days and found it very informative, even if a bit soul destroying. I do appreciate the time and effort that you guys have been putting into research and making posts. ASICK has obviously had a long and bitter experience with a similar bunch of charatans, which I'd like to avoid if possible.

Some of the earlier posts referred to Piper-Alderman and their potential Class Action, plus another mention of Selbourne Chambers as possible barristers. I have contacted both of these firms, but cannot see very much happening so far. Do any of the other thread readers know what the current status is regarding any sort of possible legal action? I provided some details requested by Piper-Alderman but their wheels of justice are grinding far too slowly. Are there other law firms out there doing anything or making any progress at all?

With my fund now having only a provisioned unit value of 59 cents, and reducing rapidly, I am looking for any alternatives to recouping some of my losses. (Or LM's losses on my behalf, thankyou.) My confidence in LM ran out long ago, but from the financial details you have been digging up it's clear that their mismanagement of the funds is much more than just a bit of bad luck due to the GFC, or whatever else they try to blame on the market values. The threat from Trilogy eventually squeezed some action out of LM regarding their fees, and I'm convinced that more pressure to clear up their mess must be brought upon them from whatever source available.
Any ideas?

Hi Loiner, I'm pleased to see yet another fund member join the forum. While it's fine for outsiders like myself to post, it's fund members' money at risk, and in the end, their decision about what's to be done about how the fund is managed.

Members of the PFMF had a choice back in 2009 and, by a slight majority, Trilogy was voted in as manager. City Pacific Limited (the then manager) had a choice too, and it chose not to lower its fees and speak openly to investors - that was a big mistake for City Pacific, and I think, in the end, it caused investors to make a bad decision by voting in Trilogy - a very bad decision indeed.

Investors in LM's funds are in no different a position, except that LM (as you rightly point out) had made substantial movement in the right direction by giving up the idiotic "asset split" proposition, undertaking to wind up the fund, and reduction of its fee. From my experience, I think it's better to keep the "devil" you know, and more importantly, it's important to keep the one you know you can blame for things going wrong.

I'm sure you'll note how Trilogy tries to undermine LM at every turn, re: the accounts, and re: the Cairns assets. Yet, as manager of the PFMF, Trilogy has resided over massive (actually, MASSIVE) fund losses.

It seems LM has fared much better with the LM FMIF than Trilogy has with the PFMF:
http://www.moneymagik.com/general_information.php
(see the table headed "The PFMF is Going Down")

One might say, "Well I don't trust LM's figures", well I would say, "Take a look at Trilogy's figures in the PFMF".

I wouldn't hold out too much hope for recovery by way of litigation - first there's got to be a course of action, and that's a lot more difficult to find that one might think. On face value, members think that losses (per se) are recoverable because they're losses - but the manager isn't obligated to make a profit - ASIC also isn't bothered about mere loss, even the loss of all of one's investment (ASIC is not a prudential regulator), unless of course, such loss is caused by fraud or by non-compliance.

So, I wouldn't be getting too excited about a meddling "ambulance chaser" in circumstances where there's no evidence to support a course of action.

Litigation had been held out as a carrot for members of the PFMF:
http://www.moneymagik.com/litigation.php

IMF (a litigation funder) funded public examinations of a number of former City Pacific directors (and others) in the Supreme Court (NSW) tp tune of $2m, yet did not fund the current proceeds against a number of former City Pacific directors in the Federal Court - one has to ask the very serious question "Why?" - the claim was for $60m, yet there's only $20m in insurance available (that's if there is insurance) - my guess is that there isn't, otherwise IMF would have been in there "boots and all" to gain 26% of that $20m - but it didn't. Still, many members of the PFMF hold out hope of recovery thru litigation (I'm not one of them).

Members in damaged funds are vulnerable - many are still suffering from shock - I'm bet there are many out there still coming to the grips with the reality that it hasn't just happened to others, it's happened to themselves. IN what other circumstances could an entity with Trilogy's history be even considered as an alternative manager?

Try and get a successful manager with a really good management history to take over the fund and see how difficult it is - it's bloody hard - for them, it's not about the money - why? because they're concerned about how the losses in the fund would impact on their reputations.

In my view, if Trilogy performed in the LM as it has in the PFMF, your fund will be decimated, and there will be nothing you'll be able to do about it. Trilogy would rake in the fees and you'd be watching your unit price plummet - and the blame would be either the market or LM.

Trilogy has never disclosed the sale price of even one PFMF fund asset - not one. Neither has Trilogy disclosed the value of loss suffered by the fund on any one asset as a result of a sale. I think you'd all be deluding yourselves to think that Trilogy would bring on a new age of transparency.

You say that I've had a "long and better experience" - yes, I have, and believe me when I tell you, I would really hate to see you guys suffer likewise. "Blind Freddy" could see that if I was pleased (or even slighly displeased) with Trilogy that I wouldn't waste my time with this stuff, but it's much much worse than that. Even at just 1.62% management fee (including fund expenses), $17m went to Trilogy and about $80m to investors - out of a fund valued at $630m by City Pacific when Trilogy took over in July 2009.

How do you think you'd feel if you'd found out that not one unit in a Broadwater highrise had been sold in over three years since Trilogy took the fund?
http://moneymagik.com/grande_what.php

How do you think you'd feel if you visited a fund asset after over three years with Trilogy as manager and found this?
http://moneymagik.com/wakerley_pictures_01_11_12.php

How do you think you'd feel if you were told in 2011 that a site was "fairly heavily" polluted and then told in 2012 there was none?
http://moneymagik.com/pollution_what_pollution.php

I could go on, it's all been posted before.

In the end it will be your membership's collective decision, but don't ever think that things can't get worse than having LM as manager - even if you don't think so, it really is possible to "cut off your nose to spite your face" (so to speak) - I continue to say, "be careful, you might get what you wish for".

If you appoint Trilogy and suffer in your fund as we have in the PFMF, then you'll look back at these postings and I guarantee that you'll see them in an altogether different light, and there'll be nothing you can do about it. Then you'll know what a "long and bitter experience" really feels like.

(http://www.moneymagik.com/yardy_yardy_yah.php)
 
Re: LM Managed Performance Fund

The Managed performance fund invests in first and second mortgages and can only be invested in by non resident investors and platforms who have no protection under Australian law.

Michael West dug up details of the fund as copied below

The celebrity numbers surrounding Maddison are just as impressive as the celebrities themselves. Over $217 million of the $370 million in the LM Managed Performance Fund is committed in this single project yet it appears that investors have only a second mortgage.

Suncorp is owed $22 million ahead of investors in the LM Managed Performance Fund and of the $217 million presently owed by Maddison, $101 million is capitalised interest on the loan. The acquisition cost of the land was $76 million.

Interest is paid to Suncorp, distributions are paid to investors, and management fees paid to LM. These are now five per cent but can rise as high as 10 per cent each year.

Let’s not forget the fees to financial advisers. Those who tipped the investors in receive another 3 per cent per year. With a touch of extravagance, the marketing materials for the fund describe it as a "bank-like facility".

Back of envelope, you could smoke $30 million a year, on this one project, just to keep the money flowing.


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/bus...-be-elusive-20121026-28b4k.html#ixzz2FSRjMDtM
IrishDan, I don't know much about his "Maddison" estate?

If it's a development that's not generating cash flow, then how are investors paid?

To comment, we really need to see a financial statement.
 
Yipes --- Where Did the Money Go?

The Managed performance fund invests in first and second mortgages and can only be invested in by non resident investors and platforms who have no protection under Australian law.

Michael West dug up details of the fund as copied below

The celebrity numbers surrounding Maddison are just as impressive as the celebrities themselves. Over $217 million of the $370 million in the LM Managed Performance Fund is committed in this single project yet it appears that investors have only a second mortgage.

Suncorp is owed $22 million ahead of investors in the LM Managed Performance Fund and of the $217 million presently owed by Maddison, $101 million is capitalised interest on the loan. The acquisition cost of the land was $76 million.

Interest is paid to Suncorp, distributions are paid to investors, and management fees paid to LM. These are now five per cent but can rise as high as 10 per cent each year.

Let’s not forget the fees to financial advisers. Those who tipped the investors in receive another 3 per cent per year. With a touch of extravagance, the marketing materials for the fund describe it as a "bank-like facility".

Back of envelope, you could smoke $30 million a year, on this one project, just to keep the money flowing.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/bus...-be-elusive-20121026-28b4k.html#ixzz2FSRjMDtM

Yipes .. that's a fund I wouldn't like to have any $$$s in

Where's the cash? If "Maddison" was purchased for $76m and it's pumped to $217m with $101m in accrued (and then capitalized) interest (plus $40m of ?), where did the $141m ($217m - $76m) go? I spoke to the sales office and they don't even have any demo houses on site yet (maybe mid 2013?). A lot of money going out - nothing coming in: that is a worry.

Ouch ! and how about the other loans... more capitalization?

The fund's financial reports must be an interesting read ... just how much cash is the fund generating?

and this from the Equititrust thread -- McIvor (ex-spruiker from Equititrust):
http://www.fairgomate.com.au/Portals/Fairgomate/Novella/Strange-Animals-Part 1-Mark-McIvor.pdf
 
Re: Yipes --- Where Did the Money Go?

Asic they are old numbers the new figures disclosed by LM, the related party loans have grown to 270m from 217 just a few monthsw ago
Yipes .. that's a fund I wouldn't like to have any $$$s in

Where's the cash? If "Maddison" was purchased for $76m and it's pumped to $217m with $101m in accrued (and then capitalized) interest (plus $40m of ?), where did the $141m ($217m - $76m) go? I spoke to the sales office and they don't even have any demo houses on site yet (maybe mid 2013?). A lot of money going out - nothing coming in: that is a worry.

Ouch ! and how about the other loans... more capitalization?

The fund's financial reports must be an interesting read ... just how much cash is the fund generating?

and this from the Equititrust thread -- McIvor (ex-spruiker from Equititrust):
http://www.fairgomate.com.au/Portals/Fairgomate/Novella/Strange-Animals-Part 1-Mark-McIvor.pdf
 
Re: Yipes --- Where Did the Money Go?

Asic they are old numbers the new figures disclosed by LM, the related party loans have grown to 270m from 217 just a few monthsw ago

Then I'd mulitiply my concerns by 1.25 or thereabouts ! I'd be surprised if there isn't massive losses in the pipeline for that fund.
 
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