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Ants said:Could you please expand on this for us beginners please,
ducati
thanks
GarpalGarpal Gumnut said:Plea
I find it distressing that nobody has posted their profits on this correction. If I were a daytrader I would have carefully plotted my gains and losses over 28/2 and 1/3.
I don't see or hear any member of ASF who has profitted from this correction.
Lets talk about it.
I'm long term trader but value your guys input, which has been sadly lacking recently,.
Garpal
ducati916 said:barney
Assuming an average capital base of say US $25K it is possible to trade a market neutral or fully hedged position
Utilizing Options trade a *delta-neutral* position.
Long the Options contracts
Short the common stock
Adjust position on an intra-day daily basis.
Risks;
*Overpaying for Implied Volatility
*Realized volatility below paid for Implied volatility
Now what you have seen or heard recently [if you've been listening] is the extremely low levels of volatility as measured by the VIX.
This tends to happen in bull markets, not always, and not quite to these low levels. The time was ripe to buy volatility.
How to overcome the risks;
*Understand the pricing models
*Extend expiry time
*Understand the theory of volatility cones.
Once you position is set, you make money if price rises, or falls, the greater the fluctuations, the greater your profit. No stoplosses required, in the market 24/7............perfect for volatile bear markets.
jog on
d998
tech/a said:Posting takes up far to much time as it is for me.
There is enough of my stuff on here and Reefcap.
If it interests me I'll read/comment and or post.
Gave up posting analysis due to the peanut factor (Like the Shouting comment made above)---its a headline!!, combined with the time factor last year.
Genarally cant be bothered.
Really am sick of the idiot factor that think trading is gambling,and everyone has to prove how big their Kahuna's are.
And unfortunately its a constant stream.
I'll leave all this to You Ducster,Moggie and others who have more time and inclination.
barney said:Thanks for the reply Duc,
Now I confess to being quite ignorant (as in unaware) of some of the things you mention, but still very interested, so please excuse any obviously dumb questions or apparent lack of knowledge ..............
Simple things first .......... I understand the long the options/short the stock .......... If we are to "adjust" the position intra day, what measures do we take to achieve a continuing suitable setup? ie. Is it possible to keep readjusting our option position (I've never traded options at all so forgive the lack of knowledge) Is there a cost/brokerage factor involved in adjusting option positions? Or, is the adjustment simply done on the shorted stock? ie. Short more if the stock moves in our favour/opposite if moves against??
Does "extending expiry time" if required incur further brokerage fees? .... Approx cost?
"Volatility Cones"? No idea, but if I guessed, volatility would generally follow a graphical pattern eg A parabola, where the maximum volatility would be at the peak, and would tend to diminish (one for Mag!!) at both ends, therefore the most financially rewarding point would be the "top curve" of the parabola?? Totally off the scent or not??
Thanks for your patience in advance
PS Just noticed your reference to volatility cones above.... will follow that up, thanks.
Not clear here. You are delta neutral with a synthetic straddle and continuously hedging your delta buy trading stock?ducati916 said:Sorry chap's can't even copy from my own notes;
Price of common.....delta.........position..........adjustm ent........date
$26.15...................75.4.........[-22620]...............................1/17
$26.68...................77.3.........[-23190].............[-570]..............1/18
$25.18...................71.8.........[-21540].............+1650..............1/18
$25.68...................73.7.........[-22110]............[-570]............1/19
The *correct* figures.
jog on
d998
wayneL said:Not clear here. You are delta neutral with a synthetic straddle and continuously hedging your delta buy trading stock?
and...
Are you constructing your own cone in excel or using software?
It's a tough ask, brain matter oozing from my ears already... I'm not exactly proficient at excel eitherducati916 said:enzo
Indeed [regard vega] just makes so much more sense to me anyway.
If you have joy with the calculations I'd be interested, my poor braincell is entering meltdown.
jog on
d998
ducati916 said:enzo
Indeed [regard vega] just makes so much more sense to me anyway.
If you have joy with the calculations I'd be interested, my poor braincell is entering meltdown.
jog on
d998
barney said:Hi Duc, If I were to put the above scenario into laymans terms would this be close to the money?? ...............
We are having an each way bet on a football match, and betting on both teams at the same time ................ we are able to increase/decrease our bets as the match unfolds to increase our exposure to a positive outcome (we are hoping it is a high scoring/wide ranging scoreline) ............. and the best part is we don't have to wait until the game is finished to cash our bets in??
Therefore, the worst case scenario would be to initially pick the wrong team to win (trend changes), or for the game to be a long drawn out affair with very little range in the scoreline??
Am I on the right track, or am I missing something important? Cheers.
ducati916 said:barney
Sure you're pretty much there.
With anything based on statistics, the Law of Large Numbers is key.
So therefore in a similar manner to the card counter in Blackjack, on any given hand we may lose, however, by adjusting our bets, and being allowed to play for as long as we wish [make as many bets as we want] based on probability [statistics] we will win.
That's it.
Simple, market neutral, profit up or down, lose with zero movement.
The key is to calculate an underpriced Option, get a good fill, and hedge correctly.
Charts, stops, etc, toss "em out the window.......redundant.
Remember on selecting Strikes, Bachliers Law.
jog on
d998
to run, where the brave dare not go ...tech/a said:Dreamers may build castles in the sky, but schitzophrenics live in them.
barney said:Thats good, I've got the laymans part sorted !! ............. Now all I have to do is study options for a year or two (Delta, theta,vega, straddles, etc etc .......... my brain hurts already
Thanks Duc and others ...... good thread with some interesting stuff.
barney said:Thats good, I've got the laymans part sorted !! ............. Now all I have to do is study options for a year or two (Delta, theta,vega, straddles, etc etc .......... my brain hurts already
Thanks Duc and others ...... good thread with some interesting stuff.
ducati916 said:enzo
If you have joy with the calculations I'd be interested, my poor braincell is entering meltdown.
jog on
d998
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