Legalise some drugs, outlaw others?

[CanOz]

Dafuq?

LOL, as in what dafuq you talking about?

 

[DB008]

I don't get it. You've done LSD and yet you're very anti-religion. Most people who do it (in big enough doses) will understand what others are talking about when they refer to 'God'. Acid will switch off the internal dialogue in the same way that meditation and certain types of prayer will.

I understand most religions are perverted beyond their original form, but a good old fashioned ego death should cause you to at least feel some sympathy for the great spiritual texts.

Or is it more that you're anti-fundamentalism than anti-religion?

How would Christopher Hitchens act while on LSD?

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Dafuq?

You don't get it?

Try a bigger dose. But first read up on what to expect. (Timothy Leary's work or just Google: acid + 'ego death').

 

[Gringotts Bank]

How would Christopher Hitchens act while on LSD?

I guess he'd be like anyone else - shocked, awed and gobsmacked....and inspired enough to launch into a proper study of what the great spiritual masters were talking about. Since he's now had a taste of it, it will make sense to him, when before it didn't.

 

[CanOz]

You don't get it?

Try a bigger dose. But first read up on what to expect. (Timothy Leary's work or just Google: acid + 'ego death').

Interesting GB, and here I thought it was just all about laughing your ass off...

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Interesting GB, and here I thought it was just all about laughing your ass off...

Yeh I find it very interesting. Timothy Leary's book is a free download I think...somewhere.
EDIT: http://www.holybooks.com/wp-content...c-Experience-The-Tibetan-Book-Of-The-Dead.pdf

But most modern day guys who have achieved extraordinary states through meditation or prayer will say that they regret their earlier experimenting with psychedelics. They say it opens the mind up too abruptly and that can cause instability and sometimes psychosis.

When I say to chops "try a bigger dose" I don't really mean that seriously. Some people seem to get away with it, others end up in a strange place that they can't seem to escape.

 

[CanOz]

Yeh I find it very interesting. Timothy Leary's book is a free download I think...somewhere.

But most modern day guys who have achieved extraordinary states through meditation or prayer will say that they regret their earlier experimenting with psychedelics. They say it opens the mind up too abruptly and that can cause instability and sometimes psychosis.

Yeah i think i would prefer to do it through meditation....

My days of LSD are decades behind me now! lol!

CanOz

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Allow me to save you 20 years of searching for correct meditation instructions, because wrong instruction will mess you up. Ramana and Nissagardatta - both practised Advaita, or something very similar (a non-dogmatic modern version).

 

[CanOz]

Allow me to save you 20 years of searching for correct meditation instructions, because wrong instruction will mess you up. Ramana and Nissagardatta - both practised Advaita, or something very similar (a non-dogmatic modern version).

Thanks mate...if i ever get that far i'll look this up again!

 

[Tink]

I guess he'd be like anyone else - shocked, awed and gobsmacked....and inspired enough to launch into a proper study of what the great spiritual masters were talking about. Since he's now had a taste of it, it will make sense to him, when before it didn't.

I have never done drugs, and have no interest in drugs, but GB, thanks for sharing.

 

[McLovin]

Well this thread got interesting! People on 'shrooms, going on cocaine benders, CanOz watching spiders crawl up walls on LSD.

Shock horror: People do drugs and still lead normal lives! Won't someone please think of the children!!!

 

[DB008]

LOL!

Anti-Weed N.Y. Assemblyman Steve Katz Charged With Possession

Westchester County Republican Assemblyman Steve Katz was pulled over yesterday morning for speeding and hit with a possession charge when an officer recognized the distinct smell of marijuana. "He was alone and cooperative," said the police, who ticketed him for a small baggie and going 80 in a 65 mph zone. Katz was oddly arrested twice for allegedly mishandling dogs when he worked as a veterinarian, but both cases were dismissed. Last year, he voted against legalizing medical marijuana, although maybe this will be his Portman moment. The assemblyman sits on Assembly committees for Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, as well as Higher Education.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/03/steve-katz-assemblyman-charged-with-marijuana-possession.html

 

[DB008]

'Legalise pot, boost grog tax'

FORMER federal health minister Neal Blewett has called for the decriminalisation of cannabis and ecstasy, and a tax on alcoholic drinks according to their strength.

At an international strategy conference in Sydney yesterday attended by the commissioners of every police force in the nation, Dr Blewett, one of the architects of Medicare and Australia's first national drug policy, also called for alcoholic drinks to carry explicit warnings similar to those on cigarettes.

Dr Blewett said there should be a shift in emphasis in both policing and government policy away from those "less harmful illicit drugs" and towards alcohol, "which remains the most harmful drug in our community".

Other controversial proposals Dr Blewett put forward included providing clean syringes and needles to drug users in prison, and using prescription heroin to treat addicts, something he said the federal government had overruled in 1996.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/legalise-pot-boost-grog-tax/story-e6frg8y6-1226601968652

 

[awg]

whats the deal with this "Kronic" stuff (for those that dont know its a mixture of smokeable herbs)

its openly for sale..I hear now at servos even.

in the local area, there is a woman runs a shop, she used to open at 8.30, then 7.30, now 6.00am !..cause so many peeps were lined up..must be highly addictive.

I thought they made it illegal, but apparently they changed the formula.

apparently its more expensive than street marijuana, my mate reckoned it is heavily abused by many dudes that work in drug-tested industry and he reckons it is pretty strong and gets you wacked, affecting some far more than others

 

[DB008]

whats the deal with this "Kronic" stuff (for those that dont know its a mixture of smokeable herbs)

its openly for sale..I hear now at servos even.

in the local area, there is a woman runs a shop, she used to open at 8.30, then 7.30, now 6.00am !..cause so many peeps were lined up..must be highly addictive.

I thought they made it illegal, but apparently they changed the formula.

apparently its more expensive than street marijuana, my mate reckoned it is heavily abused by many dudes that work in drug-tested industry and he reckons it is pretty strong and gets you wacked, affecting some far more than others

All I heard was some kid who got hospitalized off it recently.

Not That High​

Today’s marijuana is too strong, and that’s bad for new business.

Marijuana is much stronger than it used to be. Lots of the strains for sale at medical marijuana dispensaries are approaching 25 percent THC, or tetrahydrocannabinol, the compound in the plant known for getting you wicked high. Sitting around a winter solstice bonfire in the Seattle area this December, I heard a woman in her 60s tell a story about her husband taking a tiny toke on a joint that was going around a dinner party, only to pass out in his chair. Another friend and her husband, in their 30s, decided to share a marijuana caramel after their daughter went to bed. They got way too stoned and entered a shared freak-out about how they would deal if she came out to ask for a glass of water.

An elder statesman of Generation X, comedian Louis C.K., has a bit in his Live at the Beacon Theater special about taking “big hits. Like big, 1970s, jean jacket, Bad Company hits” of modern, high potency dope, and then everything going terrifically terrible. “When I was a kid you could just smoke a joint for a while. Now you take two hits and you go insane,” he says. “It's not doable anymore.”

“Our potencies here are off the scale,” confirms longtime grower Todd Ellison, co-founder of Colorado Marijuana Marketing, a one-stop shop for weed-related entrepreneurs in search of marketing help. “I have a guy who taught me to grow, who has been growing since the ’60s. And this stuff blows him away.” And Ellison agrees. “I am almost 40. I’ve got three kids. You don’t want something that is going to lay you out and make you stupid all day.”

Why is dope so strong? Because plants with big, strong buds maximize the profit of the basement grower. Plus, the people who grow it and sell it also smoke it, and they’ve got high tolerances and a deep fondness for its effects. They like it strong.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/03/marijuana_potency_returning_smokers_want_mellower_pot_strains.single.html

 

[DB008]

States Push to Get the Most Out of Marijuana Taxes

DENVER ”” If marijuana is legalized and properly regulated, its proponents have long said, it could generate millions of dollars in state tax revenue. But how the drug should be taxed has proved to be a thorny question.

Under the proposal, the first $40 million collected from a 15 percent excise tax would be used to build public schools. Revenue from a 15 percent sales tax imposed, in addition to the state’s 2.9 percent sales tax and any local sales tax, would be apportioned to local governments and for enforcement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/colorado-considers-marijuana-tax.html?smid=go-share&_r=1&

 

[sydboy007]

States Push to Get the Most Out of Marijuana Taxes





http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/colorado-considers-marijuana-tax.html?smid=go-share&_r=1&

Why not. It's not like the Fed or State Govts have the cajones to actually raised taxes.

Currently all it does is enrich gangs and criminals. Better to have the state decriminalise it, allow a household to have 1 plant for self use, and then regulate those who grow and distribute.

Set the licences at a reasonable level, set 50% of the tax revenue aside for drug education and the rest into providing decent services.

I don't want hydro setups all around suburbia, but I also don't see why all that money should go to the darker side of society either.

 

[DB008]

Oh well.....came close, even though there was a "cross-party parliamentary committee unanimously recommending the move".

NSW government not convinced by marijuana report

The New South Wales Government has hinted it is unlikely to allow terminally ill people to legally use small amounts of marijuana, despite a cross-party parliamentary committee unanimously recommending the move.

A parliamentary inquiry has recommended that terminally ill patients and people with AIDS be allowed to legally possess and use up to 15 grams of marijuana for medical purposes.

Only the patients themselves would be legally allowed to use the drug and their names would be kept on a register after their treating specialist certified they had a relevant illness.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-15/parliamentary-support-for-medical-marijuana-in-nsw/4691108

A parliamentary inquiry has recommended that terminally ill patients and people with AIDS be allowed to legally possess and use up to 15 grams of marijuana for medical purposes.

If I had AIDS or was terminally ill, l would try marijuana for pain relief regardless of what the law states.

What would you do, if you had AIDS or were terminally ill?

 

[DB008]

Oh well.....came close, even though there was a "cross-party parliamentary committee unanimously recommending the move".

NSW government not convinced by marijuana report

The New South Wales Government has hinted it is unlikely to allow terminally ill people to legally use small amounts of marijuana, despite a cross-party parliamentary committee unanimously recommending the move.

A parliamentary inquiry has recommended that terminally ill patients and people with AIDS be allowed to legally possess and use up to 15 grams of marijuana for medical purposes.

Only the patients themselves would be legally allowed to use the drug and their names would be kept on a register after their treating specialist certified they had a relevant illness.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-1...in-nsw/4691108

If I had AIDS or was terminally ill, l would try marijuana for pain relief regardless of what the law states.

What would you do, if you had AIDS or were terminally ill?

Meanwhile in Europe...

Czech pharmacies begin selling medical marijuana

Medical marijuana legally went on sale Tuesday in pharmacies across the Czech Republic for patients suffering from cancer, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis or psoriasis.

The new law does not foresee health insurance coverage for marijuana, touted by some as a medical miracle drug.

The prescription-only drug formally became legal on Monday, but was virtually unavailable as most pharmacies across the ex-communist European Union state of 10.5 million were closed over to the Easter long weekend.

Prague will first import the drug for about a year, reportedly from Israel or the Netherlands, until the State Institute for Drug Control starts issuing licences to local growers for a maximum of five years.

The institute will also determine the crop area and organise tenders for marijuana purchases from farmers.

An EU member since in 2004, the Czech Republic provides some of the most liberal access to soft drugs in Europe.

People holding up to 15 grammes (0.53 ounces) of marijuana or growing up to five plants of cannabis risk just a small fine ”” an approach that often attracts smokers from other countries such as neighbouring Poland, where tougher laws apply.

A 2011 national report on narcotics said 16.1 percent of Czechs aged 15-34 admitted to having used marijuana in that year, down from 20.3 percent a year earlier.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/02/czech-pharmacies-begin-selling-medical-marijuana/

 

[DB008]

ABC story on shrooms...

Magic mushrooms promise a long trip... to prison

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-16/magic-mushrooms-promise-long-trip-to-prison/4695012