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The Jim Garrison Story. (An unbelievable exposure of US idea of justice).
(4 youtubes each almost 10 minutes - but worth the watch if you've never seen it)

Concerns JFK's assassination - ("the day the United States died" :( ) - but is set many years later when Garrison tries to bring members of the CIA to trial.

And what Jim Garrison had to go through - despite his being driven only by a concern about "what was happening to America"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7gQ4wy_ShE&feature=related The Jim Garrison Story Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1l3m3bfsS4&feature=related Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nDIxXIDDU&feature=related Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLEhvT1tbII&feature=related Part 4

Meanwhile, a few days ago ..
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2165641.htm
Documents may reignite JFK assassination theories
The World Today - Monday, 18 February , 2008 12:48:00
Reporter: Ashley Hall
ELEANOR HALL: Few events in history have spawned as many conspiracy theories as the assassination of the US President John F Kennedy.
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Trouble is it's not a "theory" any more sweetheart - Jim Garrison was right :eek:

More youtubes here, - including Files admitting to assassinating Kennedy with (at least 2) other gunmen.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261831&highlight=garrison#post261831
 

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Air Chief Marshall, Sir Keith Rodney Park GCB, KB, MC and Bar, DFC, RAF ( b15/6/1892 d6/2/1975) was born at Thames, New Zealand.
A Senior Commander in the Second World War and hailed by many as New Zealand's greatest.
A proposal has been made that a statue be raised in Britain's Trafalgar Square in London, to commemorate him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Park
 
Hey Guys
Bolivia in South America was named after Simon Bolivar, the first president and a freedom fighter, although today we would call him a terrorist, I think he fought against Spain, I can never remember if the Spanish got the left side of south America and the Portuguese got the right side or if it was the otherway round. Bolivar was also instrumental in driving out the colonisers from a number of the surrounding countries,
Happyjack
 
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
one brave author(ess) - living under full-time bodyguard protection :eek:
whether or not you agree with her, she's brave.

http://www.samharris.org/site/full_...t-the-ayaan-hirsi-ali-security-trust-answere/

http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan...mp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0743289684

From Publishers Weekly
Starred Review. Readers with an eye on European politics will recognize Ali as the Somali-born member of the Dutch parliament who faced death threats after collaborating on a film about domestic violence against Muslim women with controversial director Theo van Gogh (who was himself assassinated). Even before then, her attacks on Islamic culture as "brutal, bigoted, [and] fixated on controlling women" had generated much controversy. In this suspenseful account of her life and her internal struggle with her Muslim faith, she discusses how these views were shaped by her experiences amid the political chaos of Somalia and other African nations, where she was subjected to genital mutilation and later forced into an unwanted marriage. While in transit to her husband in Canada, she decided to seek asylum in the Netherlands, where she marveled at the polite policemen and government bureaucrats. Ali is up-front about having lied about her background in order to obtain her citizenship, which led to further controversy in early 2006, when an immigration official sought to deport her and triggered the collapse of the Dutch coalition government. Apart from feelings of guilt over van Gogh's death, her voice is forceful and unbowed””like Irshad Manji, she delivers a powerful feminist critique of Islam informed by a genuine understanding of the religion. 8-page photo insert. (Feb.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
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From The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com
Reviewed by Anne Applebaum
"I am Ayaan, the daughter of Hirsi, the son of Magan."

In the first scene of Infidel, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a child of 5, sitting on a grass mat. Her grandmother is teaching her to recite the names of her ancestors, as all Somali children must learn to do. "Get it right," her grandmother warns. "They are your bloodline. . . . If you dishonor them you will be forsaken. You will be nothing. You will lead a wretched life and die alone."

Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women.

The break began when she slipped away from her family on her way to a forced marriage in Canada and talked her way into political asylum in Holland, using a story she herself calls "an invention." Soon after arriving, she removed her head scarf to see if God would strike her dead. He did not. Nor were there divine consequences when, defying her ancestors, she donned blue jeans, rode a bicycle, enrolled in university, became a Dutch citizen, began to speak publicly about the mistreatment of Muslim women in Holland and won election to the Dutch parliament.

But tragedy followed fame. In 2004, Hirsi Ali helped a Dutch director, Theo van Gogh, make a controversial film, "Submission," about Muslim women suffering from forced marriages and wife beating. Van Gogh was murdered by an angry Muslim radical in response, and Hirsi Ali went into hiding. The press began to explore her past, discovering the "inventions" that she had used to get her refugee status. The Dutch threatened to revoke her citizenship; the American Enterprise Institute offered her a job in Washington. And thus she came to be among us.

Even the bare facts of this unusual life would make fascinating reading. But this book is something more than an ordinary autobiography: In the tradition of Frederick Douglass or even John Stuart Mill, Infidel describes a unique intellectual journey, from the tribal customs of Hirsi Ali's Somali childhood, through the harsh fundamentalism of Saudi Arabia and into the contemporary West. Along the way, Hirsi Ali displays what surely must be her greatest gift: the talent for recalling, describing and honestly analyzing the precise state of her feelings at each stage of that journey.

She describes how she felt as a teenager, voluntarily wearing a hijab, a black cloak that hid her body: "It sent out a message of superiority: I was the one true Muslim. All those other little girls with their little white headscarves were children, hypocrites." She writes of meeting her husband-to-be's family: "I concentrated on behaving properly: Speaking softly, being polite, avoiding shame to my parents. I felt empty."

She also describes how horrified she felt as an adult after Sept. 11, 2001, reaching for the Koran to find out whether some of Osama bin Laden's more blood-curdling statements -- "when you meet the unbelievers, strike them in the neck" -- were direct quotations. "I hated to do it," she wrote, "because I knew that I would find bin Laden's quotations in there." And there were consequences: "The little shutter at the back of my mind, where I pushed all my dissonant thoughts, snapped open after the 9/11 attacks, and it refused to close again. I found myself thinking that the Quran is not a holy document. It is a historical record, written by humans. . . . And it is a very tribal and Arab version of events. It spreads a culture that is brutal, bigoted, fixated on controlling women, and harsh in war."

That moment led Hirsi Ali to her most profound conclusion: that the mistreatment of women is not an incidental problem in the Muslim world, a side issue that can be dealt with once the more important political problems are out of the way. Rather, she believes that the enslavement of women lies at the heart of all of the most fanatical interpretations of Islam, creating "a culture that generates more backwardness with every generation."

Ultimately, it led to her most controversial conclusion too: that Islam is in a period of transition, that the religion as it is currently practiced is often incompatible with modernity and democracy and must radically transform itself in order to become so. "We in the West," she writes, "would be wrong to prolong the pain of that transition unnecessarily, by elevating cultures full of bigotry and hatred toward women to the stature of respectable alternative ways of life." That sentiment, when first expressed in Holland, infuriated not only Hirsi Ali's compatriots but also Dutch intellectuals uneasy about criticizing the immigrants in their midst, particularly because both Hirsi Ali and Theo van Gogh went further than the usual criticism of radical, political Islam: Both believed that even "ordinary" forms of Islam, such as those practiced in Hirsi Ali's Somalia, contain elements of discrimination against women that should not be tolerated in the West. Thanks to this belief in female equality, Hirsi Ali now requires permanent bodyguards. But having "moved from the world of faith to the world of reason," Hirsi Ali now says she cannot go back.

Still, she describes herself as lucky: "How many girls born in Digfeer Hospital in Mogadishu in November 1969 are even alive today?" she asks rhetorically. "And how many have a real voice?" To that, it's worth adding another question: How many women with Hirsi Ali's experience of radical Islam have emerged to tell their stories? And how many can do so with such clarity and insight? Infidel is a unique book, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a unique writer, and both deserve to go far.
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How a person becomes important in history, having been enslaved and starved in a Pakistan carpet factory from the age of 4 to 10-years-old, makes for an individuals own special story.

Iqbal Masih (1982 - 16/4/1995) was born in Pakistan and sold by his parents for $12 to become a child slave in the carpet industry.
He was murdered on Easter Sunday 1995, assumed by the "carpet mafia" because of the Worldwide publicity he brought towards the child labour industry.

A short video of his achievements: http://www.myhero.com/myhero/go/filmfestival/viewfilm.asp?film=courage&res=high

Iqbal Masih: http://myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=iqbal
 
Probably the greatest opera singer of all time was the very great, Johanna "Jenny" Maria Lind (6/10/1820 - 2/11/1887). She was a Swedish opera singer known as the "Swedish nightingale."
Her tour of America was seen, even to this day, to be the greatest tour ever made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Lind
 
Staggering how all the 'important' people named in history tend to be political so far.

I prefer to name people such as Johannes Gensfleisch zur Laden zum Gutenberg, Thomas Alva Edison, Albert Einstein, or perhaps Aristotle as important people in history, not some Johnny come lately politician.

brty
 
brty said:
Staggering how all the 'important' people named in history tend to be political so far.

I prefer to name people such as Johannes Gensfleisch zur Laden zum Gutenberg, Thomas Alva Edison, Albert Einstein, or perhaps Aristotle as important people in history, not some Johnny come lately politician.

brty
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Look forward to your information and links about these important people.
 
brty said:
Staggering how all the 'important' people named in history tend to be political so far.

I prefer to name people such as Johannes Gensfleisch zur Laden zum Gutenberg, Thomas Alva Edison, Albert Einstein, or perhaps Aristotle as important people in history, not some Johnny come lately politician.

brty
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I agree, the most influential person in my life was my father. He showed me, that debt and spending more than you earn is the road to dispair and an early grave.
Thanks Dad.:(
 

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