Labour in a Schtook - NZ election

[wayneL]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10763639

Labour's support has slipped in the first week of the election campaign to below 30 per cent, in the latest DigiPoll survey released this afternoon.

Labour is on 29.1 per cent, the first time Labour has been in the 20s in the 12 years the Herald has been running DigiPoll surveys.

I don't suppose there is much interest in the NZ election this month over there, but it might be interesting on a world scale.

It seems that post GFC, reports of the death of capitalism have been greatly exaggerated. Meanwhile democratic socialist parties such as Oz Labor, NZ and UK Labour and social democrat parties such as Obarmy's Democrats are losing support massively.

Perhaps people are realizing that it is not capitalism that has failed (and it hasn't), it is the pollutant socialist interference that has compromised it.

In NZ, there is a definite trend in peoples thinking towards classical liberalism.

 

[Julia]

Re: Labour in a Schtook -NZ election

I'm extremely relieved to hear this, Wayne. Would appreciate your ongoing comments on the NZ election.

 

[wayneL]

Nationals returned, Labour lost more 9 seats.

 

[nulla nulla]

Nationals returned, Labour lost more 9 seats.

Does this mean Australia can expect more NZ refugees to come over here and live off our social welfare system or will there be an exodus of NZ expats back to NZ?

 

[drsmith]

Nationals returned, Labour lost more 9 seats.

A minority, though well ahead of Labour and the Greens combined. Party wise, NZ looks very fractured.

http://www.elections.org.nz/study/n...-for-the-referendum-on-the-voting-system.html

Which side of the political fence do NZ first ultimately sit ?

They look like they want to be a little bit of everything to everybody.

http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/index-our-fifteen-fundamental-principles.html

The image on their home page is a little off-putting.

 

[So_Cynical]

What i found interesting was how well the Greens polled, the greens actually had a larger vote than NZ first...so the conclusion can be drawn that the NZ greens pulled votes from Labour, the Nats pulled votes from the centre.

The implications for Aust are, 1 Vote Tony is no John Key, and i can see the Labor Green partnership of convenience becoming a left coalition...i wonder if this will get any floor time at the up coming Labor Nation Conference.

 

[Julia]

Wayne, am I right in thinking the ballot also included a referendum on the political system?

The current dog's breakfast (is it MMP?) was about to begin when I left. It seemed immensely complicated and almost bound to result in the sort of result that we see.

When NZ had the First Past the Post system, governments seemed more stable.
But perhaps I was just less politically aware in those days.

 

[wayneL]

Wayne, am I right in thinking the ballot also included a referendum on the political system?

The current dog's breakfast (is it MMP?) was about to begin when I left. It seemed immensely complicated and almost bound to result in the sort of result that we see.

When NZ had the First Past the Post system, governments seemed more stable.
But perhaps I was just less politically aware in those days.

Looks like MMP has been retained.

Coalitions ad infinitum... dogs breakfast indeed.

 

[SirRumpole]

Ardern in trouble in the upcoming election ?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02...arderns-ratings-new-zealand-politics/11998556

 

[sptrawler]

Ardern in trouble in the upcoming election ?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02...arderns-ratings-new-zealand-politics/11998556

Which is exactly what we have been talking about in other threads, the echo chamber effect, it shows that the same problem exists there as here. People are not saying what they really think, for fear of backlash.
The first line in the article sums it up, it just didn't include the word media, it should have read' Around the world's media'
From the article:
Around the world, Jacinda Ardern has received acclaim from those who see the charismatic New Zealand Prime Minister as a leader for the modern age.

Just my opinion.
I haven't read or seen much of her, but the media appears to be very impressed with her, as they were with Malcolm.

 

[moXJO]

Which is exactly what we have been talking about in other threads, the echo chamber effect, it shows that the same problem exists there as here. People are not saying what they really think, for fear of backlash.
The first line in the article sums it up, it just didn't include the word media, it should have read' Around the world's media'
From the article:
Around the world, Jacinda Ardern has received acclaim from those who see the charismatic New Zealand Prime Minister as a leader for the modern age.

Just my opinion.
I haven't read or seen much of her, but the media appears to be very impressed with her, as they were with Malcolm.

Talk is cheap and she was nothing but mouth

 

[sptrawler]

Talk is cheap and she was nothing but mouth

IMO that is what is expected these days, the last thing the media want is something fixed, just people who talk it up and do sod all.
As long as they say the right thing, the rest is unimportant and why the election results end up a shock.
If something is fixed, the media have nothing to write about and have to go and chase a real story.
The silent majority don't buy it.