Labor's carbon tax lie

[joea]

Well we will watch the markets reaction of the tax when it goes through the Senate today.

Then we will see if the $1bullion methanol project down south is shelved or if it was just a threat.
joea

 

[Calliope]

Bob Brown said;

"It's a 'green letter day' but one which will echo down the ages ... there's a celebration going on in this nation today.... People 50 or 500 years from now will thank us for the passage of this legislation."

What a crock.

 

[IFocus]

The poll in today's SMH surprised me

For 47%
Against 47%

Given the Abbott great big tax and the gray nomad ditch the witch campaigns its quite stunning.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...vote-a-major-milestone-pm-20111108-1n4wu.html

 

[sails]

The poll in today's SMH surprised me

For 47%
Against 47%

Given the Abbott great big tax and the gray nomad ditch the witch campaigns its quite stunning.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...vote-a-major-milestone-pm-20111108-1n4wu.html

IFocus, the SMH tends to attract more leftie readers, imo. If the same poll was taken in the HeraldSun, it might have a very different outcome.

Your SMH poll has this disclaimer: "These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate."

Anyway, here is the results from the Nielsen poll a couple of weeks ago - at they are at least professial pollsters:

Support for a ‘price on carbon’ is down 2 points since August to 37%; 59% (up 3) are opposed.

And yet both houses of parliament have totally ignored this professional polling and undemocratically (imo) have bull dozed ahead with this tax against the wishes of the majority. It is a major tax - at least a referrendum would have been the honourable thing, imo.

http://au.nielsen.com/news/200512.shtml

 

[IFocus]

IFocus, the SMH tends to attract more leftie readers, imo. If the same poll was taken in the HeraldSun, it might have a very different outcome.

Your SMH poll has this disclaimer: "These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate."

Anyway, here is the results from the Nielsen poll a couple of weeks ago - at they are at least professial pollsters:



And yet both houses of parliament have totally ignored this professional polling and undemocratically (imo) have bull dozed ahead with this tax against the wishes of the majority. It is a major tax - at least a referrendum would have been the honourable thing, imo.

http://au.nielsen.com/news/200512.shtml

See SMH as more middle ground myself still surprised at the numbers.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Bob Brown said;

"It's a 'green letter day' but one which will echo down the ages ... there's a celebration going on in this nation today.... People 50 or 500 years from now will thank us for the passage of this legislation."

What a crock.

Brandished his smug grin for the public, fumbled through some basic english sentences and handed over further communications to his speech therapist Christine Milne.

All this before choofing off in their carbon emitting vehicles created from the materials and energy mined (nasty, dirty mines) in Australia. Not to mention their clothing manufactured by nasty carbon emitters and their tucker farmed on clear felled land. Oh their lights too created from noooooooo that nasty coal.

 

[So_Cynical]

20 years in the making and at last the day has come, as will the inevitable...thanks to the Labor green alliance we now have some concrete action to tackle GHG emissions and the need to move away from non renewable energy.

Just goes to show how useless the ranting's of the ASF right and others have been, 82 pages of lies, fear and misinformation...all in total denial of the inevitable.


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[Garpal Gumnut]

20 years in the making and at last the day has come, as will the inevitable...thanks to the Labor green alliance we now have some concrete action to tackle GHG emissions and the need to move away from non renewable energy.

Just goes to show how useless the ranting's of the ASF right and others have been, 82 pages of lies, fear and misinformation...all in total denial of the inevitable.

The ALP were afraid to put it to a vote, so stumbled behind the Watermelons to pass a tax which will obliterate their support base, delivering Opposition to the Greens and destroying a once representative party.

All rational debate is ineffective against such undemocratic behaviour.

Why did they do it?

gg

 

[drsmith]

Why did they do it?

They'll have a long time in political exile to search their souls on that one.

 

[Julia]

See SMH as more middle ground myself still surprised at the numbers.

You must be joking. That's like saying the ABC is a middle ground.
I know whose polls I'd put more store in and it wouldn't be the Fairfax media with its left readership.

 

[Smurf1976]

20 years in the making and at last the day has come, as will the inevitable...thanks to the Labor green alliance we now have some concrete action to tackle GHG emissions and the need to move away from non renewable energy.

Just goes to show how useless the ranting's of the ASF right and others have been, 82 pages of lies, fear and misinformation...all in total denial of the inevitable.

Depending on what is in that bottle it may well contain CO2.

Please switch to tap or preferably rain water for the celebrations as this will emit less CO2. (Note that bottled water is out since it's a fairly high CO2 emitting product).

 

[moXJO]

20 years in the making and at last the day has come, as will the inevitable...thanks to the Labor green alliance we now have some concrete action to tackle GHG emissions and the need to move away from non renewable energy.

Just goes to show how useless the ranting's of the ASF right and others have been, 82 pages of lies, fear and misinformation...all in total denial of the inevitable.


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Yes 22 million people saving carbon in the face of almost 7 billion people on the planet........ Bravo

Keep trolling leftie

 

[sails]

Yes 22 million people saving carbon in the face of almost 7 billion people on the planet........ Bravo

Keep trolling leftie

We were having dinner tonight with a pilot from the US who is here for a couple of weeks. He mentioned how little they hear about Australia over there. It's like we don't even exist. He was staggered that this government has gone against the majority will of the people to impose a carbon tax to try and lead the world.

Unless it's something major like our Qld floods this year or major bush fires, there is no news about Australia over there. I doubt the states will even know about this and probably other countries who emit far more co2 than us won't be the slightest bit interested.

 

[basilio]

Interesting take from the BBC on the passage of the Carbon tax

BBC News

The vote in theory brings to an end a long-running and, in a global sense, highly symbolic issue.

Symbolic because Australia is one of the world's highest per-capita emitters and has an economy that is more reliant than most on energy-intensive industries such as mining, including coal.

Yet of all developed countries, Australia is set to feel impacts of climate change earlier than most, and arguably is seeing them already in the recent severe droughts.

It also has immense potential for renewable electricity, particularly in the area of solar; and some are hoping the carbon tax and subsequent trading mechanism will kick-start a renewables revolution.

Whether the carbon tax is high enough to do that, though, is unclear. And investors may be restrained by the opposition's vow to repeal the law if it gains office in 2013.

Emissions trading is scheduled for introduction in 2015. The European experience is that without tight caps on emissions, the carbon price remains far too low to stimulate change on the scale scientists calculate is necessary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15632160

The real deal will be seeing how no carbon technologies are developed to replace coal etc. For example LNC has some promising potential with its UCG and also above ground gasification technologies coupled with Hydrogen fuel Cells which will result in minimal CO2 pollution. It means we could mine and sell our coal but minimise the production of greenhouse gases.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Symbolic because Australia is one of the world's highest per-capita emitters and has an economy that is more reliant than most on energy-intensive industries such as mining, including coal.

So what? Highest per capita is a stuff all statistic. Per country is the statistic you bozos.

Yet of all developed countries, Australia is set to feel impacts of climate change earlier than most, and arguably is seeing them already in the recent severe droughts.

That is bull dung. Send the Pom a post card from Australia saying the weather is fine and we are doing alright. Dopey buggers.

 

[sails]

Yet of all developed countries, Australia is set to feel impacts of climate change earlier than most, and arguably is seeing them already in the recent severe droughts.

When hasn't Australia been having long periods of droughts followed be severe rains?

What's wrong with these bird brained people who now blame AGW for our weather/climate cycles and patterns that have been doing their own thing long before our generation came along.

Plain stupid to blame changes in climate on to AGW. There is nothing new about recent weather.

 

[drsmith]

After Labor and the Greens combined in the Senate to finally pass the bills yesterday, the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, said they had ''made history''.

The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, said it had been possible only because Ms Gillard was ''as tough as nails'' during ''a really tough debate''.

How tough ?

The policy was resurrected when the Greens and some crossbench independents made it a condition of Labor's forming government last year.

Immediate capitulation to the above for the spoils of office.

That's how tough.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-law-a-boost-for-pm-20111108-1n5n4.html

 

[wayneL]

Well it is now official, the Gillard gu'mint is now the second most damaging in Australia's history, after Whitlam.

 

[Julia]

So what? Highest per capita is a stuff all statistic. Per country is the statistic you bozos.
That is bull dung. Send the Pom a post card from Australia saying the weather is fine and we are doing alright. Dopey buggers.

Thanks, Wysiwyg. First time I've laughed since the stupid tax was passed.

 

[sptrawler]

The ALP were afraid to put it to a vote, so stumbled behind the Watermelons to pass a tax which will obliterate their support base, delivering Opposition to the Greens and destroying a once representative party.

All rational debate is ineffective against such undemocratic behaviour.

Why did they do it?

gg

They did it to keep the greens onside thereby staying away from a forced election, thus enabling them all to increase their pension entitlement. Why else?
Don't let principles get in the way of a pay rise, good old Labor proverb.