Labor's carbon tax lie

[wayneL]

Seems like I'm still smarter than you

This is patently untrue.

That is very simple, this is not a carbon tax - it is a carbon emissions trading scheme, with a fixed price on carbon for the first few years.

A turd by any other name is still a turd. And as we all know, trying to polish a turd is futile.

That's true, but it is not a foolish statement.

This is also patently untrue.

How exactly is she trying to do that?

Examples of this are numerous, many of which are highlighted on this forum. DYOR

Force her ideas? How about take part in saving the planet from global warming?

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As been discussed, it has been shown that this tax cannot possibly do so, if indeed the planet does need saving.

Clearly not. Furthermore;

Are you an average voter?

 

[sails]

...Force her ideas? How about take part in saving the planet from global warming?

She promised she wouldn't. Now she's in power she plans to FORCE it on to us by way of legislation.

Starcraftmazter, Australia emits 1.3% of global co2 emissions and around a third of that is apparently from bush fires. The US and China between them emit around 40% and the US are backing away from pricing carbon. Sensible, imo.

If you can't work out that our piddling 5% reductionis no more than a spit in the ocean, I think you need to go back to school.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

A turd by any other name is still a turd. And as we all know, trying to polish a turd is futile.

One is a tax, the other is an emissions trading scheme. They are nothing alike.

Examples of this are numerous, many of which are highlighted on this forum. DYOR

I am not unaware of what you refer to, these allegations are just incredibly stupid, so I'm waiting for someone to try and explain them through logic and reason.

As been discussed, it has been shown that this tax cannot possibly do so, if indeed the planet does need saving.

A lot of things have been discussed in history....many of them not true.

Are you an average voter?

Clearly not.

She promised she wouldn't. Now she's in power she plans to FORCE it on to us by way of legislation.

Wait wait wait. Do you mean to tell me, that governments do not typically write legislation to implement policy??? Do you mean to tell me that they just let people know through email newsletters and it just magically happens? Wow!!! This sounds so shocking now, how dare the government legislate policy, when they could send newsletters instead?

Please quote any ALP politician saying anything relating not implementing an emissions trading scheme.

Starcraftmazter, Australia emits 1.3% of global co2 emissions and around a third of that is apparently from bush fires. The US and China between them emit around 40% and the US are backing away from pricing carbon. Sensible, imo.

Everyone will do it eventually.

If you can't work out that our piddling 5% reductionis no more than a spit in the ocean, I think you need to go back to school.

So again, do you propose the government legislated for Australia to reduce emissions by 100% by 2020 and cease all coal exports? Is this what you suggest? Because otherwise I fail to see your point, these things must be done in steps.

 

[Ruby]

One is a tax, the other is an emissions trading scheme. They are nothing alike.
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Well you must be the only person who knows this...... even the government is confused! Everyone in government - from Gillard down - refers to it as a carbon tax!

 

[wayneL]

One is a tax, the other is an emissions trading scheme. They are nothing alike.

Just like a levy is not a tax?

etc etc

Your replies are sophistry at best.

 

[sails]

Starcraftmazter, you sound as clueless as Gillard and the latest polling in her electorate shows she would need preferences to retain her seat. Something's not right with what she's doing and all your huffing and puffing here isn't going to change anyone's views. Most of us have had enough of the Gillard porkies without you regurgitating them again here.

Here is Wong up to two months before the last election and you wonder why the people think they have been lied to? Gillard, Swan and Wong were clearly not interested in carbon tax before the election.

Anyway, I'm out of here. Seems no hope of a rational discussion with you. Has this dishonest approach worked? Going by opinion polls, it's going down like a lead balloon.

 

[Julia]

Well I've already explained this. There is no carbon tax, it's just what Libs and Media are calling it to fool Australians - and a lot seem to have fallen for it, proving how ignorant they all are.

For god's sake, you're really pushing your luck here. The government itself introduced it as a tax. Go back to that time, do a bit of trawling through the announcements and see.

In the face of their disastrous polling they are having a go at the phrase "putting a price on carbon". Too late. The electorate has largely stopped listening.

Quote Originally Posted by wayneL View Post
Are you an average voter?

Clearly not.

Thank god for that.

 

[sails]

...In the face of their disastrous polling they are having a go at the phrase "putting a price on carbon". Too late. The electorate has largely stopped listening.

Thankfully, Julia, the majority of Aussies are not listening any more. I sometimes think that labor/greens have people (either paid or voluntary) on forums and other social media to try and CON vince people to see things their way, but the spin they offer is so ridiculously stupid. I think they are actually helping to turn people further away with their lies and spin.

 

[Smurf1976]

I do not understand why responsible environmental action should have anything to do with matters of the economy, nor why the two should even be mentioned in the same sentence

Probably because the two are absolutely intertwined in both directions.

Saying they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence is a bit like saying you shouldn't say "White House" and "President" in the same sentence when clearly there is a direct linkage between the two.

 

[Smurf1976]

First of all, they did not lie. Quote me their exact election promise, and I will point out why it was not broken through logic.

"There will be no carbon tax" - seems pretty straightforward to me.

On a related matter, yet another icy start to the morning forecast for tomorrow. It's 4 degrees outside at the moment, going down to zero overnight. Now, my point isn't about "proof" or otherwise of climate change but about household expenditure on energy. Heating bills are going to be huge this year, and that's going to cause misery for many even without a carbon tax. Added to the rising cost of food, petrol, water and so on, I don't see too many people being keen on yet another hike in heating bills anytime soon.

 

[sptrawler]

I don't meen it in a rude way, but a lot of the pro carbon tax argument appears to have a childlike naivety and illogical basis. Just read through the posts and there is no logical thread to the argument.
It is only based on the " the government says the ETS is the best way" and it doesn't matter if it ruins the economy.
Thats a wonderfull script for a Disney movie where the little country saves the world by the sacrificing the living standards of their people for the greater good.
Actually most of the ridiculous decisions this government has made can only be lauded by voters with youth and minimal exposure to lifes experiences.

 

[drsmith]

Well I've already explained this. There is no carbon tax, it's just what Libs and Media are calling it to fool Australians - and a lot seem to have fallen for it, proving how ignorant they all are.

Enjoy.

 

[noco]

This thread will be history in a few weeks, kaput.

There will no more debate.

The baby is about to be thrown out with the bath water (ju-liar and the carbon tax).

 

[Julia]

noco, what is the basis for your above assertion?

 

[noco]

noco, what is the basis for your above assertion?

PURELY PREMONITION. I'M FEELING A LITTLE PSYCHIC THESE DAYS.

 

[noco]

Is it any wonder Gillard refused to meet up with Vaclav Klaus the President of the Czech Republic.

He lived under the communist banner for some years and has spoken out against man made GW.

Please read the comments that follows.



http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ouriermail/comments/from_todays_bolt_report1/

 

[sails]

And here is the short video of Vaclav Klaus the President of the Czech Republic

 

[Smurf1976]

The EU's ETS doesn't seem to be working too well. Either that or people in Poland don't like sitting in the dark...

http://carbonsimplicity.com.au/2009/07/24/meet-belcha-–-europes-biggest-carbon-polluter/#more-2432

Sandbag said the expansion of Belchatow and the planned construction of 50 coal-fired plants across the European mainland demonstrated that policies such as the EU’s European Trading Scheme (ETS) were not working

 

[sptrawler]

Well smurph, what happens when the Greens have got rid of the coal fired stations and then turn their attention to the photochemical pollution from the gas fired stations and close them down.
They don't want nuclear so there may be hope for Tasmania yet, blanket weaving may have a strong resurgence. LOL

 

[IFocus]

Michael Pascoe

The carbon tax is working nicely

Heard the one about the carbon tax working perfectly nicely, enjoying popular approval, reducing emissions, not killing capitalism? No, it's not a joke, or a fantasy – it's British Columbia.

This week's Economist magazine notes that, since introducing the tax in 2008, the BC economy has done well, outperforming the rest of Canada with slightly higher growth, slightly lower unemployment and lower income taxes. And the carbon tax has the support of the majority of the citizenry.

And the BC government didn't wimp out on applying the tax to fuel either – the Economist reports the tax adds 5 cents a litre to the price of petrol. Fuel consumption per head in BC has fallen by 4.5 per cent since 2008, more than the fall elsewhere in Canada.

"The carbon tax has been good for the environment, good for taxpayers and it hasn't hurt the economy," says Stewart Elgie, a professor of law and economics at the University of Ottawa.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-carbon-tax-is-working-nicely-20110725-1hw2y.html#ixzz1T6jbsdCO