Julia
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I've taken her comment to be mean the big companies, i.e. miners and energy producers, you know, those people who are responsible for much of whatever prosperity this country is currently enjoying.When Gillard says the tax will hit the "big polluters", she obviously means the consumers of electricity. She will do her best not to alienate those in the socio-economic level who would normally vote Labor, with reimbursements that exceed their rising power costs.
Agree.The scene is set for this incompetent government to totally mismanage this exercise, with much of the taxpayers' money going to the wrong people.
QUEENSLAND households will be penalised with higher power prices for keeping their air-conditioners off over summer.
The state's electricity price regulator, the Queensland Competition Authority, has announced a 6.6 per cent increase in power prices from July 1.
The increase will add $120 to the average bill of households already under pressure from an array of cost increases.
Power prices have now soared by more than 60 per cent since the State Government promised deregulation of the industry in the southeast would put downward pressure on prices.
Almost 80 per cent of the increase was blamed on growing network costs, the price passed on to consumers for building and maintaining the power system to cope with increasing demand.
However, lower than expected power consumption over the disaster-affected summer meant distributors did not recoup their investment costs.
Why don't you find out whether your assumption is right before calling her stupid? Seems to me she's not the Julia who's doing the badmouthing.I've taken her comment to be mean the big companies, i.e. miners and energy producers, you know, those people who are responsible for much of whatever prosperity this country is currently enjoying.
She should be careful about badmouthing these people who are running successful and necessary businesses.
Stupid cow.
Badmouth the Federal government because the State govt. deregulated the industry? Blame a Federal tax that doesn't yet exist for the 20-year failure of State govts and private companies to maintain and extend the power distribution system.It would seem pretty likely that the same result will occur in the event of the carbon tax, as people seek to reduce the burden on their household budget, naively thinking they will benefit, whilst the above scenario will be repeated in the electricity providers, giving us all higher bills regardless of our attempts to reduce use!
This whole nonsense just gets worse and worse.
Amen, trainspotter.This deadly pollutant should be TAXED to the eyeballs ! Look what it does to plants !
She has made it quite clear that she is referring to the big miners and energy producers when she has declared they will be the ones to pay. (conveniently omitting, of course, that they will pass on every cent to consumers.)Why don't you find out whether your assumption is right before calling her stupid? Seems to me she's not the Julia who's doing the badmouthing.
The National Electricity Market (NEM) was never intended to minimise cost or maximise economic efficiency, a point that was clearly noted in industry publications as far back as 1993. Indeed if you read carefully, a loss of economic efficiency is in fact stated, albeit in disguised terms in the context of CO2 emissions, as one of the key aspects and "benefits" of the market. Remeber this was 18 years ago...Whacko! What a great reward for everyone who conscientiously exchanged their air conditioning for discomfort in the summer just past.
It would seem pretty likely that the same result will occur in the event of the carbon tax, as people seek to reduce the burden on their household budget, naively thinking they will benefit, whilst the above scenario will be repeated in the electricity providers, giving us all higher bills regardless of our attempts to reduce use!
The question in all this, to which I have been unable to find an answer, is "Why does Julia Gillard think that the imposition of a carbon tax on large resource companies will force them to reduce their carbon emissions?" All they will do is operate as usual and pass the costs on. That is what business does.
It's all confusing nonsense. The government is completely confused, has lost its way and is trying to take all of us down the same waffley path. I agree with Julia's assessment of the PM.
ANYONE who thinks the proposed carbon tax is mainly about the environment is mistaken. That may have been where the debate started. But due to political pressure on the minority government, it has morphed into an exercise in wealth redistribution, not environmental action. And Labor has many environmental groups and advocates fooled.
Because Labor can't afford to lose seats at the next election (in fact, it needs to win seats to gain a majority), but also has to be seen to be doing something as a government, it is trying to convince voters it is acting on the environment while also compensating them for that action to a point where the action itself becomes meaningless.
Prof Garnaut recommended lifting the tax-free threshold to $25,000 but called for a cut-off point for tax relief for individuals earning more than $80,000 a year.
Prof Garnaut claimed this group - more than 1.5 million people - would be no worse off under the changes but did not say if they would be compensated for cost-of-living rises caused by a carbon tax.
The suggested carbon threshold would be a double hit to families on more than $150,000, who have already been frozen out of indexation for family tax benefits following the federal budget, if they were not compensated.
Lord Mungton? claims to get 10% reduction over 10 years of carbon emmisions will decrease global warming by 1/ 20,000 of 1 C.
Lord Mungton dodgy as they come and a con artist. Even the climate change skeptics in Aussie Stock forums know he is a fraud. He changes graphs and gets paid to lie.
The British made a documentary laughing at us dumb hick Aussies for taking him seriously. He is a joke in his own country.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/1816194.html
http://www.durangobill.com/GwdLiars/GwdLiarsChristopherMonckton.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/jun/03/monckton-climate-change
The idea that anyone should take Lord Monckton seriously is treated with puzzlement in his native UK. Former Conservative MP John Gummer, who was Mrs Thatcher’s environment minister, commented to the ABC in March that Lord Monckton “ isn't taken seriously by anybody.” He added: “I mean he was a bag carrier in Mrs Thatcher's office. And the idea that he advised her on climate change is laughable. The fact of the matter is, he's not a figure of importance and has made no difference to the debate. We always find it rather surprising that he should come (to Australia).”
Bob Ward, policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics and Political Science, says a recent claim by Lord Monckton that Europe’s emissions trading scheme had doubled the cost of electricity was “utter rubbish”. Analysis by the UK’s electricity regulator ofgem in March showed that environmental costs amounted to just eight per cent of energy costs for consumers.
“I am amazed that anybody in Australia takes Monckton seriously,’’ says Mr Ward. “He is not a scientist, but the deputy leader of a fringe UK political party. Frankly his credibility in the UK has sunk to near-zero since the broadcast of a documentary on the BBC earlier this year, during which Monckton was filmed on his last hilarious visit to Australia."
So what is the motivation of the mining industry in Australia to support climate change denial of any kind? Do they fear that climate legislation such as a carbon price will simply hurt their bottom line? Do they see a public confused or apathetic about climate change as a potent part of their lobbying efforts in Canberra?
Who knows? But as the donation plate for the Lord Monckton 2011 Denial Tour is passed around their offices they should ask themselves this: Can we fool the Australian public a second time?
The question in all this, to which I have been unable to find an answer, is "Why does Julia Gillard think that the imposition of a carbon tax on large resource companies will force them to reduce their carbon emissions?" All they will do is operate as usual and pass the costs on. That is what business does.
It's all confusing nonsense. The government is completely confused, has lost its way and is trying to take all of us down the same waffley path. I agree with Julia's assessment of the PM.
Monks and rabbis have stood alongside Catholics and Anglicans in Canberra to show support for the federal government's plan to tackle climate change.
Leaders from the Australian Religious Response to Climate Change (ARRCC) met Prime Minister Julia Gillard in support of the carbon tax today.
Anglican representative George Browning said the group wanted to assist politicians to create good legislation and the message to Ms Gillard was that the issue was a moral one.
He said caring for the environment was at the core of all faiths and agreed with former prime minister Kevin Rudd that the issue was the greatest moral challenge of our time.
That's it you sinners you're all going to hell LOL
Religious leaders back carbon tax
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...-carbon-tax-20110602-1fie4.html#ixzz1O76oukaw
That's it you sinners you're all going to hell LOL
Religious leaders back carbon tax
Oh for god's sake, when we get down to babbling about what religious leaders say or think, we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel!Monks and rabbis have stood alongside Catholics and Anglicans in Canberra to show support for the federal government's plan to tackle climate change.
Leaders from the Australian Religious Response to Climate Change (ARRCC) met Prime Minister Julia Gillard in support of the carbon tax today.
Anglican representative George Browning said the group wanted to assist politicians to create good legislation and the message to Ms Gillard was that the issue was a moral one.
He said caring for the environment was at the core of all faiths and agreed with former prime minister Kevin Rudd that the issue was the greatest moral challenge of our time.
Given their nonsensical basis for existence in the first place, why on earth would anyone take any notice of what they think about anything????
Pathetic.
That's it you sinners you're all going to hell LOL
Religious leaders back carbon tax
Oh for god's sake, when we get down to babbling about what religious leaders say or think, we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel!
Given their nonsensical basis for existence in the first place, why on earth would anyone take any notice of what they think about anything????
Pathetic.
Especially when not backed up by authorities from the larger religious or other organizations being suggested ... anyone being part of the general group, could start another organisation within a massive organisation, and mention their other membership to try to have status ... does not mean it is a statement of the overall group.
Hazelwood is often cited as Australia's most polluting power station (thought I'd argue that Playford B isn't exactly great either). The SECV had firm plans to close Hazelwood by 2005, replacing it with a more efficient station. In the hands of private operators, it'll still be running flat out well after 2020.I so agree with you Smurf re: deregulation of the power industry.
The other problem is that before deregulation, the power industry would do what they were told. Now they fight the regulators and influence the politicians to achieve their aims.
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