Labor's carbon tax lie

[wayneL]

No, if anything it applies to a greater extent to the left. I call the far left the dumb left. They are excellent at parrotting, the far right though have the same skill and both are extremely annoying to talk to.

The point is if you are going to make adds to influence opinion, choose the right people!!! No point in preaching to the converted.

Just wanted to clear that up... and a good point it is.

 

[drsmith]

Tony Windsor is looking somewhat less gooey than Cate and Co as his feet are getting colder by the minute,

But Mr Windsor, a member of the committee, cast doubt over Labor's carbon plans this morning, saying his vote could be determined by the extent to which the rest of the world had acted.

perhaps allready approaching frostbite,

“Why should we do something when the rest of the world is doing nothing?” he said.

The following was raised on the ABC's Insiders program yesterday in that the Productivity Commission report referred to would not be available until after July 1 2012, the proposed start date of the carbon tax.

Mr Windsor said his vote would depend on the outcome of a Productivity Commission report which will set out the effective carbon price in economies across the world.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...carbon-tax-blitz/story-fn59niix-1226065475250

 

[drsmith]

The following was raised on the ABC's Insiders program yesterday in that the Productivity Commission report referred to would not be available until after July 1 2012, the proposed start date of the carbon tax.

EDIT: That's July 1 this year.

According to the following article, the above Productivity Commission report is due to be presented to the government tomorrow.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...k-carbon-pricing/story-fn3dxiwe-1226065577906

 

[Knobby22]

Other countries are acting though, albeit to various degrees.

I think Tony Windsor knows this but is signalling where the govmint should be putting its emphasis.

Labor could do a lot better if they listened carefully to Tony Windsor and ignored the careerists.

 

[drsmith]

More on Tony Windsor's commentary,

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3230251.htm

and this on Cate and Co from an auto website,

http://www.caradvice.com.au/120968/when-carbon-tax-cate-blanchett-and-audi-collide/

 

[drsmith]

Other countries are acting though, albeit to various degrees.

In any comparison, the action we are currently taking in the absense of a carbon tax (solar panels for example) is something Tony Windsor needs to take into account.

 

[Logique]

Thanks for the link Dr.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/120968/when-carbon-tax-cate-blanchett-and-audi-collide/
When Carbon Tax, Cate Blanchett and Audi collide
By John Cadogan May 30th, 2011

"...Does Ms Blanchett’s bilateral bet-hedging position on carbon and Audi damage her credibility?...Cars emit CO2 in direct proportion to the mass of fuel consumed. So, is Ms Blanchett’s each-way bet on this issue intensely hypocritical? Or do you think car companies are green now?.......Audi is the prestige brand of the Volkswagen Group, the second-largest car company on Earth. That company’s single, over-arching imperative is to overtake Toyota and become the biggest car company on Earth by 2018.

Any way you cut that up, the Volkswagen Group is one of the world’s largest automotive emitters of CO2. And it’s planning on getting bigger. This will mean emitting more CO2 – offset to some degree by efficiency enhancements in the intervening time......Locally, Audi is committed to the principal sponsorship of the Sydney Theatre Company until 2012, on which Cate Blanchett and playwright/screen writer husband Andrew Upton serve as artistic directors. People who like the theatre like Audis..."

 

[drsmith]

Someone else's take.

 

[IFocus]

Here is another one of those rich left wing looney do nothing Australians at it........

I was gutless over climate ads: Dick Smith

"I didn't appear on it because I knew that I would be a front page of lies in the Rupert Murdoch press here," he said in Sydney today.

"So there was no way I would destroy my name that way. I was gutless, I didn't stand up for the truth."

What would Dick know

Mr Smith said he did not regret not appearing in the ad.

"By being gutless it meant I wasn't attacked," he said at the launch today of his new book, Dick Smith's Population Crisis.

"They would have done the same to me as they would to Cate Blanchett. Because I'm wealthy, they would say I shouldn't talk because it could affect pensioners.

"I'm not going to be lied to by people who are trying to make money out of me, I'm not that stupid."

When asked if he thought that Blanchett was stupid for taking part in the campaign, he said she was an "iconic Australian who said the right thing because she's concerned about our children".

"Most of you in the media are either too stupid to realise it or you don't care about children."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...-dick-smith-20110530-1fbwk.html#ixzz1No9LDVV7

 

[wayneL]

Ah another leftist millionaire IF.

"Most of you in the media are either too stupid to realise it or you don't care about children."

And another fallacial throw away line that insults the intelligence... though I must admit this is the usual tactic of O'Reillesque Neo-Cons.

Socrates would have a field day with that one.

 

[Calliope]

The celebrities' campaign is called;

Lying for Juliar

 

[moXJO]

Here is another one of those rich left wing looney do nothing Australians at it........

I was gutless over climate ads: Dick Smith



What would Dick know



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...-dick-smith-20110530-1fbwk.html#ixzz1No9LDVV7

So bring on an election and lets find out what the people really want

 

[drsmith]

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...-dick-smith-20110530-1fbwk.html#ixzz1No9LDVV7

Tricky Dicky is launching a book.

"By being gutless it meant I wasn't attacked," he said at the launch today of his new book, Dick Smith's Population Crisis.

 

[Calliope]

Michael Caton says "Yes is what makes this country great." He couldn't be more wrong;

The export of coal and iron ore is what makes this country great.

 

[IFocus]

Which other countries have a carbon tax?

Finland: introduced the world’s first carbon tax in 1990. Initially the tax exempted few industries and fuels.

In 2010 Finland’s price on carbon was €20 per tonne of CO2. Natural gas has a reduced tax rate, while peat was exempted between 2005-2010.

Taxation of liquid fuels and coal takes account of both their energy content and carbon dioxide emissions, and also emissions into the local environment that have adverse health effects.

The Netherlands: the Netherlands levies a general fuel tax on all fossil fuels. Fuels used as raw materials are not subject to the tax. Tax rates are based on both the energy and carbon contents of fuels.

Sweden: in 1991 Sweden enacted a carbon tax.

With Sweden raising prices on fossil fuels since enacting the carbon tax, it cut its carbon pollution by 9 per cent between 1990 and 2006.

India: a levy on coal producers was introduced in 2010. India expected to raise $535 million from the tax, the first measure used by the subcontinent to reduce companies’ use of fossil fuels.

Norway: in 1991 Norway introduced a tax on carbon. However its carbon emissions increased by 43m per cent per capita between 1991 and 2008.

Denmark: enacted in 1992, Denmark’s carbon tax applies to all energy users, which includes the industrial sector. But industrial companies are taxed differently depending on the process the energy is used for, and whether or not the company has entered into a voluntary agreement to apply energy efficiency measures.

Denmark’s per capita carbon dioxide emissions were nearly 15% lower in 2005 than in 1990.

Switzerland: a carbon incentive tax was introduced in Switzerland in 2008. It includes all fossil fuels, unless they are used for energy. Swiss companies can be exempt from the tax if they participate in the country’s emissions trading system.

Overall, greenhouse gas emissions in Switzerland remained stable between 1990 and 2007.

Ireland: a tax on oil and gas came into effect in 2010. It was estimated to add around €43 to filling a 1000 litre oil tank and €41 to the average annual gas bill.

Costa Rica: in 1997 Costa Rica enacted a tax on carbon pollution, set at 3.5 per cent of the market value of fossil fuels. The revenue raised from this goes into a national forest fund which pays indigenous communities for protecting the forests around them.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1492651/At-a-glance:-Carbon-taxes-around-the-world

 

[sptrawler]

WOW IFocus, Finland,Denmark,Switzerland,Ireland,Costa Rica have a carbon tax.
That must put them at a huge disadvantage to other countries that mine and use carbon fuels. I mean it must be putting their mining companies in a tail spin.
That one about India was precious, they have imposed it to reduce their use of fossil fuels. That is after they have just bought Griffin Coal and are front runners for Premier coal.
Priceless just priceless.

Actually the Irish one was brilliant, the government would have had to put that tax on because half the houses are empty. So the other half are going to have to pay twice as much, brilliant.

 

[drsmith]

$535m for India is loose change.

What about China, Japan and the US of A ?

And the net result is........

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1548741/Carbon-emissions-at-record-high:-report

 

[trainspotter]

I am off to Costa Rica. At least the money raied from the carbon tax is actually going to regrow forests ....... no wait .... Switzerland where the tax is on all fossil fuels, unless they are used for energy. Hang on .... Denmark looks good as well this time of year when the industrial companies are taxed differently depending on the process the energy is used for.

When is USA and China going to get their carbon tax up and rolling? Afterall they are the largest emitters of carbon and we sell a lot of coal to them.

 

[sails]

Which other countries have a carbon tax?

Are the countries you mention silly, stupid or what? How much good are they going to do until the US, China and other higher polluting countries do something? That's IF this is a man made problem in the first place. But even if we assume it is, below are their percentage of world carbon dioxide emissions.

With the exception of India at a still fairly tiny 5%, the other countries only emit a tiny percentage of world emissions. I struggle to believe that this is nothing more than another tax, possibly an attempt at wealth redistribution and money for the UN. It just doesn't make sense for carbon dioxide reduction.

Finland: 0.22%

The Netherlands: 0.02%

Sweden: 0.17%

India: 5.24%

Norway: 0.15%

Denmark: 0.17%

Switzerland: 0.13%

Ireland: 0.15%

Costa Rica: 0.03%


China: 22.30%
US: 19.91%

In fact the first 5 countries on the Wiki list are responsible for around 70% of world emissions and yet, it was posted earlier today, that they are not going to do anything about it - so please explain how this can possibly make sense for these countries that emit so little to slug their people with this seemingly useless tax?

Wikipedia source of world carbon dioxide emissions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

 

[sptrawler]

Which other countries have a carbon tax?

Finland: introduced the world’s first carbon tax in 1990. Initially the tax exempted few industries and fuels.

In 2010 Finland’s price on carbon was €20 per tonne of CO2. Natural gas has a reduced tax rate, while peat was exempted between 2005-2010.

Taxation of liquid fuels and coal takes account of both their energy content and carbon dioxide emissions, and also emissions into the local environment that have adverse health effects.

The Netherlands: the Netherlands levies a general fuel tax on all fossil fuels. Fuels used as raw materials are not subject to the tax. Tax rates are based on both the energy and carbon contents of fuels.

Sweden: in 1991 Sweden enacted a carbon tax.

With Sweden raising prices on fossil fuels since enacting the carbon tax, it cut its carbon pollution by 9 per cent between 1990 and 2006.

India: a levy on coal producers was introduced in 2010. India expected to raise $535 million from the tax, the first measure used by the subcontinent to reduce companies’ use of fossil fuels.

Norway: in 1991 Norway introduced a tax on carbon. However its carbon emissions increased by 43m per cent per capita between 1991 and 2008.

Denmark: enacted in 1992, Denmark’s carbon tax applies to all energy users, which includes the industrial sector. But industrial companies are taxed differently depending on the process the energy is used for, and whether or not the company has entered into a voluntary agreement to apply energy efficiency measures.

Denmark’s per capita carbon dioxide emissions were nearly 15% lower in 2005 than in 1990.

Switzerland: a carbon incentive tax was introduced in Switzerland in 2008. It includes all fossil fuels, unless they are used for energy. Swiss companies can be exempt from the tax if they participate in the country’s emissions trading system.

Overall, greenhouse gas emissions in Switzerland remained stable between 1990 and 2007.

Ireland: a tax on oil and gas came into effect in 2010. It was estimated to add around €43 to filling a 1000 litre oil tank and €41 to the average annual gas bill.

Costa Rica: in 1997 Costa Rica enacted a tax on carbon pollution, set at 3.5 per cent of the market value of fossil fuels. The revenue raised from this goes into a national forest fund which pays indigenous communities for protecting the forests around them.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1492651/At-a-glance:-Carbon-taxes-around-the-world

Actually IFocus, you should send that post to Julia and Wayne, they would be silly enough to use it. LOL.