Labor's carbon tax lie

[joea]

Congratulations to those rallying against the carbon tax today. A reminder about the website: http://www.stopgillardscarbontax.com/

Don't let the likes of left wing GetUp! - established rent-a-crowders - 200 members were at Rudd's 20:20 - sneer at you about numbers. Each carbon tax rallier counts for thousands of Australians who will be forced to dig ever deeper into near empty pockets to pay this unnecessary and ineffectual tax.

Loqique.
You have made my day.
We are learning from the middle east.
Purchasing liquid refreshments for weekend today, before pub sells out.
Go Campbell GO, GO, GO!!!
Go away Juliar:
Cheers

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Today’s rallies (23 March) against Julia Gillard’s tax on carbon dioxide - a tax that will kill jobs but not lower the world’s temperature by anything anyone can measure

Rally in Canberra was attended by about 3000+ people mostly from NSW after listening to the cheers - hardly anyone from the ACT. The event was relatively well organised with Abbott, Joyce, Angry Anderson and a cast of others as speakers.

Plenty of film crews roaming and doing interviews - let's see how much get's into the MSM.

Some photos later...

 

[sails]

It does seem that labor really like to only paint the picture they want to see and thumb their nose at voter sentiment. Labor are calling the protesters "extremists"...

Earlier, Labor MP Nick Champion branded the protesters as extremists

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ally-in-canberra/story-e6frg6xf-1226026721285

It's a shame the rallies have been on a work day as I would imagine that many opposing carbon tax would be at work or at home caring for children. And generally, conservatists are not the protesting type. That has usually been the domain of unions and lefties.

I can only imagine that those supporting this nonsensical tax would have to think they won't be affected. But don't forget that Ms Gillard may not mean a thing she says..

 

[drsmith]

I went to the Perth rally.

Rally organiser Janet Thompson spoke well and the final speaker also articulated his point of view about the politics of the science behind climate change well. Some of the rest was a bit fringy and at times inconsistent.

I would guess about 200 people attended and there was a media presence.

 

[IFocus]

What makes you think any one on this forum is obliged to provide you with the coalition's policy, even if they have one? You are once again making the fundamental error of suggesting that because we are against the nonsensical carbon tax proposed by ms Gillard, we are ipso facto supporters of the coalition. Don't be either so silly or so insulting.


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Thanks for the personal reference think you missed the point.

 

[IFocus]

Rally in Canberra was attended by about 3000+ people mostly from NSW after listening to the cheers - hardly anyone from the ACT. The event was relatively well organised with Abbott, Joyce, Angry Anderson and a cast of others as speakers.

Plenty of film crews roaming and doing interviews - let's see how much get's into the MSM.

Some photos later...

Very represent Australian crowd, bunch of complete nutters and the numbers were quoted as being 1000 to 3000 depending on who was asked hardly a raging rejection.

They included 2GB listeners - encouraged by broadcaster Chris Smith - and members of activist and political groups.

Former One Nation leader and NSW election candidate Pauline Hanson was among the crowd, while the One Nation party and the anti-Semitic Australian League of Rights were represented, along with the Climate Sceptics political party and the right-wing National Civic Council.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ally-in-canberra/story-e6frg6xf-1226026721285

 

[IFocus]

Of course there was this

A group of young people lobbying for the same thing also met Ms Gillard.

Youth Climate Coalition director, Ellen Sandell, told Ms Gillard young people wanted a price on pollution and action on climate change.

"We are the biggest stakeholders in our future and we'll still be around when we see the biggest impacts of climate change," Ms Sandell said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/23/3171775.htm

 

[noco]

The simplist way to finish all this "ARGY BARGY" as to whether there should be a carbon dioide tax or not is for JU-LIAR to go to a new election seeking a mandate for her 'after hours' policy. Problem solved!!!!!!
I believe in CLIMATE CHANGE but man made. This carbon tax will do nothing to control the climate. It is nothing more than a redistribution of wealth.

 

[sails]

IFocus, spin it all you like but Gillard said, not just once, but many times if I recall correctly just before the election

"There will be no carbon tax in a government I lead"

and Swan said just before the election:

"There will be no carbon tax in the next term of government"

Even a 5 year old would understand that this actually meant something.

 

[sails]

From SMH - 12th August, 2010: No carbon tax for three years under ALP

"We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out," the treasurer told ABC Television.

Doesn't get much clearer than that...

The decent thing to do is have an election - at least Gillard & Swan should honour not implementing it in this term and then take their tax backflip to the people.

 

[noco]

From SMH - 12th August, 2010: No carbon tax for three years under ALP



Doesn't get much clearer than that...

The decent thing to do is have an election - at least Gillard & Swan should honour not implementing it in this term and then take their tax backflip to the people.

Yes, an even the 'GOOSE' made it categorically clear, " THERE WOULD BE NO CARBON TAX".

 

[trainspotter]

Very represent Australian crowd, bunch of complete nutters and the numbers were quoted as being 1000 to 3000 depending on who was asked hardly a raging rejection.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ally-in-canberra/story-e6frg6xf-1226026721285

Polly want a cracker? Sqwaaaaaaaaark ? Wassup IFocus ? Cat got your tongue? Elucidate your true feelings for us neophytes who don't understand your reasoning. Nutters included.

 

[trainspotter]

Of course there was this

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/23/3171775.htm

A group of young people who support a carbon tax. Obviously out of touch with the real world. Still have not seen a recession. Don't own a home. Don't own a car. Still living at home with Mummy & Daddy. Never paid tax. Never owned a business. Going to university and living off apron strings. Ooooohhh Diddums. Get in the game here IFocus. I know you can do better than this.

 

[mexican]

Very good article for the believers of this tax.
The last sentence wraps it up in a nut shell really!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_globalwarmingpseudo95.htm

 

[OzWaveGuy]

No surprise that some of the MSM and Julia are using "extremists" or similar terms to describe every day Australians against a tax. The excessive name calling tends to be more evident when a party is pushed into a corner and using such terms will work against labor since it doesn't convince anyone on the merits of the climate and carbon tax debates.

Many of the people at the rally were older folks (hope I'm not offending anyone) and genuinely believed a carbon tax was a money grab as well as being a tool to offshore more jobs. A majority of attendees were from NSW with very few people from the ACT possibly due to this region being strong in Labor.

Strong liberal supporters in attendance and I wonder if they would protest as strongly if the liberals were proposing to introduce the same carbon tax. I really don't know the answer, either way, a tax on something you breath out won't help Australia now or in the future.

Overall an enjoyable lunchtime, preference would be to run this event on the weekend next time.

I would suggest more than 1500 people attended as portrayed by some...a shot showing a majority of the action









Men and Women in Blue to keep me safe from the so called "extremists" and "deniers"


Some carbon pollution

 

[Julia]

Of course there was this

A group of young people lobbying for the same thing also met Ms Gillard.

Youth Climate Coalition director, Ellen Sandell, told Ms Gillard young people wanted a price on pollution and action on climate change.

"We are the biggest stakeholders in our future and we'll still be around when we see the biggest impacts of climate change," Ms Sandell said.

Oh, and how about these young romantics set out just how they believe the government's carbon tax, in the absence of other major nations doing likewise, is going to change the climate and not hugely disadvantage the Australian economy, not to mention individual Australians?

And I think this might be about the fifth time I've very politely asked you IFOCUS, for an answer to this very same question. Why haven't you answered, huh? If you have a genuine basis for believing in this tax, then at the very least you should be easily able to explain to the rest of us how it will change the climate and not cause massive economic disadvantage.

You really have a pretty outrageous cheek in continuing to knock opposers of the tax while you fail to answer this question.

A group of young people who support a carbon tax. Obviously out of touch with the real world. Still have not seen a recession. Don't own a home. Don't own a car. Still living at home with Mummy & Daddy. Never paid tax. Never owned a business. Going to university and living off apron strings. Ooooohhh Diddums. Get in the game here IFocus. I know you can do better than this.

Exactly. A bunch of spoiled young idealists who have no experience of the real world.

 

[sails]

There are two issues here, as I see it.

1. The tax - it's controversial, but then so was GST. Howard backflipped, but in all decency, he took it to the Australian people and won a majority of seats (although not the 2pp).

2. The timing. This was absolutely guaranteed by Swan that it would not happen in this term. And Gillard herself catagorically stated there would be no carbon tax in a government she leads.

It's one thing to backflip on the tax, but totally unacceptable to deceive the people with the timing, IMO. I believe this is why the anger.

I agree with Abbott's question to Gillard that would she be in the lodge today if she had been honest that she intended to impose this tax in this term. As usual, I don't think she answered the question, and instead, went on a shambles of a tirade at Abbott.

Abbott's not perfect, but coalition need a thick skinned leader to put up with Ms Gillard's nonsensical accusations which are usually done to deflect the heat from herself - that's how I see it.

 

[tothemax6]

There are two issues here, as I see it.

1. The tax - it's controversial, but then so was GST. Howard backflipped, but in all decency, he took it to the Australian people and won a majority of seats (although not the 2pp).

2. The timing. This was absolutely guaranteed by Swan that it would not happen in this term. And Gillard herself catagorically stated there would be no carbon tax in a government she leads.

It's one thing to backflip on the tax, but totally unacceptable to deceive the people with the timing, IMO. I believe this is why the anger.

I agree with Abbott's question to Gillard that would she be in the lodge today if she had been honest that she intended to impose this tax in this term. As usual, I don't think she answered the question, and instead, went on a shambles of a tirade at Abbott.

Abbott's not perfect, but coalition need a thick skinned leader to put up with Ms Gillard's nonsensical accusations which are usually done to deflect the heat from herself - that's how I see it.

I'd say its more important what the tax will do. What you are saying implies that if it had all been fully honest and timed well, it would be a good course of action. Really though, Gillard may as well just start bombing things. I can't think of an action that could be more damaging to a nation short of outright malicious assault on the population.

Honestly, I can't remember the last time a policy was passed by a politician and I didn't think "why don't you just dump cyanide in our reservoirs? If you are pro-bad, at least be consistent".

 

[drsmith]

he Federal Government's climate change adviser, Professor Ross Garnaut, says putting a price on carbon will be a "test of Australia's democracy".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/23/3171883.htm

The test of Australia's democracy will be whether or not Labor put it to the Australian people in the form of an election.

 

[IFocus]

A group of young people who support a carbon tax. Obviously out of touch with the real world. Still have not seen a recession. Don't own a home. Don't own a car. Still living at home with Mummy & Daddy. Never paid tax. Never owned a business. Going to university and living off apron strings. Ooooohhh Diddums. Get in the game here IFocus. I know you can do better than this.

They looked like a motivated group of good kids to me not an ipod in sight.

Good on them in having a say in their future and at least being part of the debate they at least had the front to get up and have a go.