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drsmith said:
No carbon tax and no direct action would be the best outcome of all.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...but-taxes-doomed/story-fn9qr68y-1226715513999
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I agree. It is ironic that it is possible that this motley bunch of new Senators could restore sanity to Australian politics on the GW farce and save us from wasting billions. I actually believe this would not disappoint Abbott too much. It would give him the excuse to drop this nonsense without breaking an election promise.

The Coalition would emerge with 39 and possibly 40 votes in the chamber of 76 on both major decisions. (the carbon and mining taxes)

But The Australian can reveal that likely senators from the Liberal Democratic Party and Family First are intent on rejecting the "direct action" policy if the Coalition seeks to legislate the scheme
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Having said that, I think that the Liberal Democrat Senator elect, David Leyonhjelm, makes a lot of sense to conservative voters. He will be a pain in the ar$e to the Labor/Greens.

 
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Who said GLOBAL WARMING was all crap? Not me but it looks like it is all true.

The Climate Change scare mongers have at last been brought down to earth and it was all a part of Labor's plan to extract taxes from the public to make out it was all a necessity.

Yes the scaremongers will say it was not a tax on the public, but boy haven't we suffered indirectly from the increased cost of living as a result.

Labor did not have the guts to modify the GST for fear of a voter back lash. I wonder how much extra a jar of vegemite has cost since the introduction of the carbon tax. At least, had there been an increase in the GST to 12,5 %, the public would have know how much extra they would have paid that is of course if it had been applied. But as we all know vegemite is not sibject to the GST and has never been since the GST was introduced.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...nge-scaremongers/story-fni0ffxg-1226724721844
 
Here is some interesting reading for the Climate Change Alarmist and the sceptics as well.


Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide, and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.


Born
12 February 1946 (age 67)

Residence
Australia

Nationality
Australian

Fields
Earth Science,Geology,Mining Engineering

Institutions
University of New England,University of Newcastle,University of Melbourne,University of Adelaide

Alma mater
University of New South Wales,Macquarie University

Thesis
The pipe deposits of tungsten-molybdenum-bismuth in eastern Australia(1976)

Notable awards
Eureka Prize (1995, 2002),Centenary Medal (2003), Clarke Medal (2004)


Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?
Professor Ian Plimer could not have said it better!
If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.




PLIMER: "Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland . Since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.
Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it’s that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.
I know....it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of
your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad,
Nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cent light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs.....well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.
The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time - EVERY DAY.
I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.
Yes, folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over One year - think about it.
Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which
keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.
And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.
Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus 'human-caused' climate-change scenario.
Hey, isn’t it interesting how they don’t mention 'Global Warming'
Anymore, but just 'Climate Change' - you know why?
It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.
And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer.
It won’t stop any volcanoes from erupting, that’s for sure.
But, hey, relax..... and have a nice day!"
 
I am certain I will hear from rumpole about this post as just another Andrew Bolt rant but the facts are there and cannot be denied.

I have just refreshed my memory from my previous post of how much Green House gases are spewed into the atmosphere from Volcanoes.

Labor is still in cahoots with the Greens and Shorten is terrified to go against them and the unions in passing the carbon tax through the senate....Shorten says one thing in Western Australia and the opposite in Canberra.

Rudd said before the 2013 election he would scrap the carbon tax.....What happened?????/


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...on-on-carbon-tax/story-fni0ffxg-1226862610630
 
Noco would you be interested in learning just how much CO2 is emitted by Volcanoes in comparison to human activity ?

There is plenty of assessments made by vulcanologists. Unfortunately Geoffry Plimer just didn't get his facts right in that book.

Humans Dwarf Volcanoes for CO2 Emissions
Nov 27, 2012 03:00 AM ET // by Jessica Marshall

THE GIST

- Human activities emit roughly 135 times as much climate-warming carbon dioxide as volcanoes each year.

- Volcanoes emit less than cars and trucks, and less, even, than cement production.

- Climate change skeptics have claimed the opposite.

Colossal, mind-bogglingly hot and capable of spewing billowing clouds of flight-grounding smoke and searing, molten lava, volcanoes are spectacular displays of the massive forces at work inside our planet. Yet they are dwarfed by humans in at least one respect: their carbon dioxide emissions.

Despite statements made by climate change deniers, volcanoes release a tiny fraction of the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by human activities every year.

In fact, humans release roughly 135 times more carbon dioxide annually than volcanoes do, on average, according a new analysis. Put another way, humans emit in under three days the amount that volcanoes typically release in a year, according to the best estimates of volcanic emissions.
NEWS: Climate Change Impact: Underestimated?

"The question of whether or not volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activity is one I get more than any question in my email from the general public.' said Terrence Gerlach, a retired volcanologist, formerly with the Cascades Volcano Observatory, part of the US Geological Survey in Vancouver, Wash. Even earth scientists who work in other areas often pose him the question, he said.

To lay out a clear answer, Gerlach compiled the available estimates of CO2 emissions from all global volcanic activity on land and undersea and compared them with estimates for human emissions. He published the compilation in Eos, a publication of the American Geophysical Union.
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http://news.discovery.com/earth/wea...anoes-co2-people-emissions-climate-110627.htm

You need to read the whole article to understand the full picture.

Cheers

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It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.
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I don't know who is peddling this particular line that seemed to be part of the materail you quoted from Geoffry Plimer.

Just. Not. True

Full Stop
 
Noco you attempt to use Ian Plimers book "Heaven and Earth" as a reference to dismiss arguments concerning the nature and recent cause of global warming.

I have already highlighted one of the biggest lies Ian Plimer offers to defend his case. But in case you (or perhaps others ?) are interested the whole book has been dissected to demonstrate the speciousness of his arguments. There is an excellent paper from Melb Uni which for anyone interested in facts is worth reading.

Ian Plimer’s ‘Heaven + Earth’ ”” Checking the Claims
Ian G. Enting
Version 2.2
ARC Centre of Excellence for
Mathematics and Statistics of Complex Systems
The University of Melbourne

Overview
Ian Plimer’s book,
Heaven + Earth ”” Global Warming: The Missing Science claims to demolish the theory of human-induced global warming due to the release of CO2and other greenhouse gases. Overall:

1) it has numerous internal inconsistencies;

2) in spite of the extensive referencing, key data are unattributed and the content of references is often mis-quoted.

Most importantly, Ian Plimer fails to establish his claim that the human influence on climate can
be ignored, relative to natural variations. Ian Plimer’s claim that the human influence on climate can be ignored, relative to natural variations, seems to rest on three main strands of argument:
a: the extent of natural variability is larger than considered in ‘mainstream’ analyses;

b: changes in radiative forcing from greenhouse gases have less effect than determined in
‘mainstream’ analyses;

c: the IPCC uses a range of misrepresentations to conceal points a and b

Among the many errors made in attempting to establish these claims, are cases where Plimer:

• misrepresents the content of IPCC reports on at least 15 occasions as well as misrepresenting the operation of the IPCC and the authorship of IPCC reports;

• has at least 28 other instances of misrepresenting the content of cited sources;

• has at least 2 graphs where checks show that the original is a plot of something other than
what Plimer claims and many others where data are misrepresented;

• has at least 10 cases of misrepresenting data records in addition to some instances (included in the total above) of misrepresenting data from cited source.
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http://www.complex.org.au/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=91
 
basilio said:
Noco you attempt to use Ian Plimers book "Heaven and Earth" as a reference to dismiss arguments concerning the nature and recent cause of global warming.

I have already highlighted one of the biggest lies Ian Plimer offers to defend his case. But in case you (or perhaps others ?) are interested the whole book has been dissected to demonstrate the speciousness of his arguments. There is an excellent paper from Melb Uni which for anyone interested in facts is worth reading.

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http://www.complex.org.au/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=91
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I tried to find out the credentials of Jessica Marshall but did not have much luck.

She obviously is a Greenie Alarmist and appears to be expressing an opinion without any evidence..


This presentation really puts this Carbon tax insanity into perspective.

On Monday, 24 March 2014 6:24 PM, Steve Pinch <spinach1@tpg.com.au> wrote:

IF it was possible to reduce the world temperature through reducing “greenhouse gas” emissions did you know that it would actually cost economies 50 times more than it would do to make changes to society to adapt to the increased temperatures. This means that the carbon trading scheme is nothing more than a tax revenue raising scheme that serves absolutely no purpose. Watch the video below.

http://topher.com.au/50-to-1-video-project/#prettyPhoto[flash]/0/
 
I tried to find out the credentials of Jessica Marshall but did not have much luck.

She obviously is a Greenie Alarmist and appears to be expressing an opinion without any evidence.. Noco
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Noco can you stop being completely dumb. It just doesn't become you.

Jessica Marshalls "qualifications " are irrelevant in terms of the question of how much CO2 volcanoes emit. The relevant authority is the volcanologist she interviewed in the story. And anyway you can find that information 1oo times over on the net. It is earth science knowledge.

The point I was making was that Ian Plimer, a Geologist by training, just ignored that knowledge to come up with a totally fictional story of how Volcanoes were the main contributor to CO2. On top of that lie much of his book is simply further distortions and lies. The reference I gave details hundreds of large and smaller instances of these lies. Did you consider reading it ?

The reference you have offered is similarly totally, complete and utter garbage. Why do I say that ?

Essentially because it is authored by Christopher Monckton.

He has demonstrated a total lack of integrity in the climate change debate. He lies and lies and lies. Much in fact like Ian Plimer. I think they share the same lie factory.

I would believe absolutely nothing that comes from Monckton without other evidence. I have attached a presentation from a scientist who took the trouble to go through a typical Monckton presentation and itemize slide by slide where the guy doctored graphs, made up figures etc.

Cheers

http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/

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http://climatecrocks.com/2011/08/10/more-monckton-lies-deranged-national-press-club-claims/

Avery short simple video which shows how Monckton has no credibility. (Except of course with people who want to believe his rubbish)
 
basilio said:
Noco can you stop being completely dumb. It just doesn't become you.

Jessica Marshalls "qualifications " are irrelevant in terms of the question of how much CO2 volcanoes emit. The relevant authority is the volcanologist she interviewed in the story. And anyway you can find that information 1oo times over on the net. It is earth science knowledge.

The point I was making was that Ian Plimer, a Geologist by training, just ignored that knowledge to come up with a totally fictional story of how Volcanoes were the main contributor to CO2. On top of that lie much of his book is simply further distortions and lies. The reference I gave details hundreds of large and smaller instances of these lies. Did you consider reading it ?

The reference you have offered is similarly totally, complete and utter garbage. Why do I say that ?

Essentially because it is authored by Christopher Monckton.

He has demonstrated a total lack of integrity in the climate change debate. He lies and lies and lies. Much in fact like Ian Plimer. I think they share the same lie factory.

I would believe absolutely nothing that comes from Monckton without other evidence. I have attached a presentation from a scientist who took the trouble to go through a typical Monckton presentation and itemize slide by slide where the guy doctored graphs, made up figures etc.

Cheers

http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/

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http://climatecrocks.com/2011/08/10/more-monckton-lies-deranged-national-press-club-claims/

Avery short simple video which shows how Monckton has no credibility. (Except of course with people who want to believe his rubbish)
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So dumber, did you check out the topher .com ........The 50:1 project and all the other interviews?
 
noco said:
So dumber, did you check out the topher .com ........The 50:1 project and all the other interviews?
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The 50:1 project begins with Christopher Moncktons absolute load of crap trying to say dealing with CC will cost 50 times more than any damage that will be done

When you start with a load of lies there is nowhere else to go. They are all drinking the same toxic Kool aid.

And clearly I did visit the site to check out your reference.
 

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