Labor's carbon tax lie

sptrawler · 12 January 2013

IFocus said:
So what's Abbott going to replace it with?

I would think the gst would be the next 'cab off the rank', from 10% to probably 12.5 then possibly incrementing to 15 over a time frame. It seems like the most obvious one and a lot of sectors are calling for it.

Also I still think the carbon tax will stay, just the price will change, possibly to bring it in line with Europe.

sails · 12 January 2013

IFocus said:
So what's Abbott going to replace it with?

Why do we need it replaced? The libs did perfectly fine without it and even put $20 billion in the bank without the carbon tax.

In any case, so much of it is going in compensation (which wouldn't be needed if it weren't there) and then more of it goes offshore (which would stop) and then I think about 10% goes to the UN (which would also stop).

But it looks like labor are trying to trash the place before they leave, so perhaps you are thinking the libs will need the money to help fix the place up again?...

drsmith · 12 January 2013

IFocus said:
So what's Abbott going to replace it with?

Irrelevant.

A lie is a lie and that's what the voting public will remember come election time.

IFocus · 12 January 2013

OOPPs still looking the other way folks........eh .......Abbott-lier anyone

Lets see how many broken promises could Abbott make

Carbon Tax

Mining tax

Boat people

Selling his ar$e LOL

sptrawler · 12 January 2013

IFocus said:
OOPPs still looking the other way folks........eh .......Abbott-lier anyone

Lets see how many broken promises could Abbott make

Carbon Tax

Mining tax

Boat people

Selling his ar$e LOL

So you agree they wouldn't be any worse than what's there.LOL

drsmith · 12 January 2013

IFocus said:
Carbon Tax

Mining tax

Boat people

Selling his ar$e LOL

Carbon Tax: Labor's broken promise.

Mining tax: What does it raise and who spent the money before it raised anything ?

Boat people: Labor's record ??

Selling ****: Whose **** is Labor selling for an extra 5-minutes in office ?

pilots · 13 January 2013

drsmith said:
Carbon Tax: Labor's broken promise.

Mining tax: What does it raise and who spent the money before it raised anything ?

Boat people: Labor's record ??

Selling ****: Whose **** is Labor selling for an extra 5-minutes in office ?

DRSMITH, you should win top post of the month for that, how TRUE.

Smurf1976 · 13 January 2013

sptrawler said:
Also I still think the carbon tax will stay, just the price will change, possibly to bring it in line with Europe.

General thinking in the power industry is very much along that line.

Those with plants that are uneconomic due to the tax are adopting a "wait and see" approach mostly.

Hydro generators with water in storage are getting rid of it as fast they can, on the basis that it's worth more now (as electricity) than it will be after the next election.

Coal generators, particularly brown coal, with fuel in the ground are leaving it there unless there's an opportunity to generate now at a high price. The assumption being that the finite fuel reserves in any given mine will be worth more after the next election, with a lower rate of tax, than they are now.

Ijustnewit · 16 January 2013

Where is the sense in this ? My old aircon died and needed gas , the price was $1000 per 4kg bottle . I was told it used to be $400 before the Carbon Tax was introduced.
For an extra $200 ,It worked out cheaper to buy a new unit and have it installed . So the old one contributes to landfill and the new one is made in China adding to their industrial pollution and then had to be shipped here somehow using more of that nasty carbon. How the hell is this Tax saving the environment .. simple it's not.

sails · 16 January 2013

Ijustnewit said:
Where is the sense in this ? My old aircon died and needed gas , the price was $1000 per 4kg bottle . I was told it used to be $400 before the Carbon Tax was introduced.
For an extra $200 ,It worked out cheaper to buy a new unit and have it installed . So the old one contributes to landfill and the new one is made in China adding to their industrial pollution and then had to be shipped here somehow using more of that nasty carbon. How the hell is this Tax saving the environment .. simple it's not.

I see no sense in this carbon tax at all. But then is it really anything to do with the environment or is it just about the money?

There are other more important environmental issues than the controversial AGW but these others seem to be ignored.

And when government is compensating so many so they won't feel the impact of the carbon tax, what's the point? It seems the government itself doesn't see a real threat from AGW.

drsmith · 16 January 2013

The threat that mattered to the current Government as we all know was the Greens and independents.

They threatened to deny it office if it didn't introduce a carbon tax.

DB008 · 30 January 2013

Ok, we know that China increased their CO2 output by more than out total output, has been mentioned before in this thread.

How's this?

As the data show, China is now burning almost as much coal as the rest of the world ”” combined.

http://science.time.com/2013/01/29/the-scariest-environmental-fact-in-the-world/

Why bring in a carbon tax and disadvantage our country? We aren't even a pimple on China's ass.....

Some Dude · 30 January 2013

DB008 said:
Why bring in a carbon tax and disadvantage our country? We aren't even a pimple on China's ass.....

Didn't Tony Abbott believe at one stage that a tax on carbon emissions was the intelligent way for skeptics to move forward?

Smurf1976 · 31 January 2013

Somebody mentioned China....

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/...pollution-crisis/story-e6frfq80-1226565630662

DB008 · 31 January 2013

Smurf1976 said:
Somebody mentioned China....

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/...pollution-crisis/story-e6frfq80-1226565630662

me, me, me...

Think the pollution is bad in China, wait until India starts to get industrialised...

DB008 · 1 February 2013

DB008 said:
me, me, me...

Think the pollution is bad in China, wait until India starts to get industrialised...

Well, it's already worse than Beijing...

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/you-think-the-air-in-beijing-is-bad-try-new-delhi/

The level of tiny particulates known as PM 2.5, which lodge deep in the lungs and can enter the bloodstream, was over 400 micrograms per cubic meter in various neighborhoods in and around Delhi Thursday, according to a real-time air quality monitor. That compared to Beijing’s most-recent air quality reading of 172 micrograms per cubic meter. (The “Air Quality online” link to the left of the Delhi website gives you real-time monitoring of Delhi’s pollution levels.)

At the University of Delhi’s northern campus at 12:30 p.m., the reading for PM 2.5 was 402 micrograms per cubic meter; in the eastern suburb of Noida it was 411; at the Indira Gandhi International airport it was 421.

Beijing’s government on Wednesday introduced emergency measures to curb pollution, ordering cars off the roads and factories to shut down, and warning citizens to avoid activity outside. The measures came after two straight days that the readings were higher than 300, a level the United States Environmental Protection Agency considers “hazardous.”

Ijustnewit · 20 February 2013

More good news for Labor this morning , I for one knew that this would happen. I'm surprised that Aunty ABC would put this up as their headline story , maybe they are also turning on Gillard and her clowns.

"Australia's biggest Carbon emitters are being accused of passing on the entire cost of the Carbon tax while pocketing government compensation " the full article below..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-20/consumers-paying-twice-as-carbon-emitters-compensated/4529268

Julia · 20 February 2013

It was telling that the big companies suggested to have so benefited responded with a "No Comment" when asked if the claim was true.

explod · 20 February 2013

DB008 said:
me, me, me...

Think the pollution is bad in China, wait until India starts to get industrialised...

We have to stop the export of coal. Set an example, then Indonesia, Africa and all the other coal producing companies will follow.

We need to have lights out when the sun goes down and we will all have a better rest and work harder in the vegie fields. No puter either. Stop a few probs here on ASF

wayneL · 20 February 2013

explod said:
We have to stop the export of coal. Set an example, then Indonesia, Africa and all the other coal producing companies will follow.

We need to have lights out when the sun goes down and we will all have a better rest and work harder in the vegie fields. No puter either. Stop a few probs here on ASF

Let's do an experiment.

You set an example by ditching the 'puter and see if ASFers follow.

This may be allegorical for Australia setting such an example.

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