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What we find when we look under the rocks.

I checked out Tisme's Alt Right referance. After a few reads I thought they were as nasty as one might get on these topics.
It appears as if I'm sadly wrong. From their self description they are an intellectual think tank who, I guess, see themselves as far higher on the food chain than the nazi foot soldiers.
If these are the self professed saviours of our culture we are in for a very rough ride.

Who We Are

Alt-right.com is an academic think-tank on the alternative right.

Our aim is to promote information and discourse in support of Western civilization and draw attention to the imminent demographic threat of mass immigration which is on course to completely erase the unique cultures and peoples of the Occident.

We seek to initiate a civilized, respectable debate about the failures of multiculturalism and the destructive impact of the Kalergi plan.

On some issues we differ from the self-appointed figureheads of the alt-right and seek to give a platform to dissident opinions within the right.

Chief editors:

Brandon Martinez



A prolific writer, historian and social commentator, Brandon Martinez is a 21st century counter-cultural heretic and rebel intellectual for the new European Reconquista.

Charlemagne

Hailing from a long line of traditionalists, Charlemagne is an aristocratic pro-white, pro-upper class activist who seeks to expand white male privilege globally.
http://alt-right.com/who-we-are/
 
So Horace, you believe it is only Israel that is capable of massacre?
 
Perhaps we can start a new thread on alt right? It is very of topic here.
 

I would have just said they are "nutters" LOL
 
SirRumpole said:
Doesn't make this one right does it ?
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I saw some footage of the 'peaceful" Arabs and it weren't so peaceful. I'll try to find

Don't quote me, but I think I saw "Basili$% Rocks" or something on one of their T shirts
 
I'll also post this on the religion thread too. This is a very interesting conversation between Jordan Peterson and Matt Dillahunty (host of the Atheist Experience broadcast from Austin). It was intended to be non-confrontational (and mostly was). Matt set the scene by answering Jordan's question "what shall we talk about?" by saying "Is there a God".

Matt is a secular moralist (something VC tried to explain in various threads) which though is different to being an atheist (as explained often, an atheist has just one tenet and that is he doesn't believe the evidence for a God).

I know my opinion will be seen as biased, but I think Jordan lost the plot at about the 40 minute mark. He didn't seem to be able to come up with answers to Matt's assertions about secular morality and resorted to using almost Greek style paradoxes as a response, disputing the meaning of words that everyone commonly understands.

Although I like Peterson, I think his performance was quite poor here and perhaps he should confine himself to his area of expertise, psychology. I think he was quite miffed that he was unable to confuse/confound Matt with "psychology jargon" and Matt held his own in that area, in addition to dominating in the discussion on morality. I am sure some will disagree.

I think Grah might find the 20:10 minute Mark interesting as it relates to something we discussed last week.

 
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I thought that in the Q and A that Jordan essentially said that gods existence is dependent on the existence of human consciousness. While he wouldn't say that through the conversation, the way he answered that particular question did actually answer Matt's opening question. So he has strong beliefs in the value of religious community and the benefits that accrue from that but essentially no belief in the god concept other than as an aspect only of the human consciousness. He is hard to pin down and understand when he wanders into that topic. He loses me a bit when he tries. I do like a critique he made of the 'celebrity athiests' though - they put too much emphasis on the idea that us humans are rational and have good agency.
 
I really like some of his stuff. But anyone else think he seems a little unhinged under that cool exterior?
 
moXJO said:
I really like some of his stuff. But anyone else think he seems a little unhinged under that cool exterior?
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I do not envy his position.

I think his understanding of human psychology is thorough enough to recognise the very real threat posed by the psychotic idealism which has, unfortunately, been allowed to take root in western society.

As there is indeed ample cause for alarm, some loss of composure, is to be expected, from those expressing rational views to an, already, psychologically fragmented public.
 
moXJO said:
I really like some of his stuff. But anyone else think he seems a little unhinged under that cool exterior?
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He often talks about himself being prone to depression, I think he a sensitive man and the unreasonable hate of him from both extremes must be unsettling.

If I were him, I would be very pissed off and alarmed about the MSM pigeon holing him as alt right all the time.
 
moXJO said:
I really like some of his stuff. But anyone else think he seems a little unhinged under that cool exterior?
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He's not a cool exterior ... check out his tweets ... he would fit in well here and not afraid to offend, with some vulgarity, far lefties/rights.
 
moXJO said:
I really like some of his stuff. But anyone else think he seems a little unhinged under that cool exterior?
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I think he is both highly intelligent and intense, I also think all this notoriety and attention is causing him a lot of stain. I hope he doesn't crack under the pressure. He attracts a lot of hate which must get to you after awhile. So not so much unhinged as intense I would say.

I like him a lot, can relate to what he says. He seems to be able to articulate some of the things I have felt for a long time but could not put into words, it's quite uncanny. I think he had a real gift. Having said that I don't put him on a pedestal and don't necessarily agree with all he says but, my goodness, he speaks a lot of sense most of the time.
 
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I feel sorry for him. Don't accept yourself as you are?? I think his parents must have been bloody tough on him, particularly his mother. That degree of seething hatred has to be exhausting.
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Though I don't disagree with what he says. People are afraid of truth, and he tends to speak it, which makes everyone hate him.
 
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