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My only worry about Prof.Peterson is that he will wear himself out.

I'm no Psychologist but I reckon his response to Mishra was wrong.

He should have taken it on the chin and moved forward.

Someone once asked him how his work would end. He replied probably in a "ball of flame".

He is too good for that and I hope his advisers are cognisant of this.

Mishra's "Age of Anger" is a good read btw, and informative.

"I'll still go with JBP.

gg
 
Wow, first time Ive looked at twitter in yonks.

What a cesspit that platform is.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
My only worry about Prof.Peterson is that he will wear himself out.

I'm no Psychologist but I reckon his response to Mishra was wrong.


gg
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I wonder gg.

The article was petty and mean spirited. At once typically post modern in its ignoring of facts and data and extraordinarily offensive and insulting, the ideological hypocrisy of galactic proportions.

I sense that ordinary folks are as mad as as hell and aren't going to take it anymore and jp merely tapping into the mood.

Evidence is that the repugnant far left is doubling down on the intellectual sewerage... I mean look at those twitter responses. Macro aggression can cut both ways and "we" can do that so much better than the sjw snowflakes.

Bring it on, let the smacking begin.
 
He looks utterly exhausted.
He needs a few good home cooked meals and a holiday or he could seriously have a breakdown.
Diet can really effect your personality and he has had a massive change since being flung into the spotlight and set upon the global treadmill like one man boy band. His wife needs to step up and take care of him.
Great man.
 
I reckon Dr. Peterson is a breath of fresh air and I've been devouring everything i can from him since this thread began...thanks Wayne L
 
wayneL said:
I wonder gg.

The article was petty and mean spirited. At once typically post modern in its ignoring of facts and data and extraordinarily offensive and insulting, the ideological hypocrisy of galactic proportions.

I sense that ordinary folks are as mad as as hell and aren't going to take it anymore and jp merely tapping into the mood.

Evidence is that the repugnant far left is doubling down on the intellectual sewerage... I mean look at those twitter responses. Macro aggression can cut both ways and "we" can do that so much better than the sjw snowflakes.

Bring it on, let the smacking begin.
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I do enjoy a bit of biff, as you know, but I really felt JBP's response to Mishra was made when he was tired and felt a bit vulnerable. We all lash out when that happens.

I'm ex-ADF long time ago and we were taught that one only picked a fight when the odds were 3-1 in your favour.

Oh, and if there is a fight let me know and I'll join in to assist the Prof.

Stay happy and well

gg
 
Maybe he should stick to being a psychologist and steer clear of the political stuff, it's only going to go bad for him.
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe he should stick to being a psychologist and steer clear of the political stuff, it's only going to go bad for him.
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A reasonable comment.

However in Canada atm being a University Professor is quite political.

Canada is about 10 years ahead of us in Political Correctness and the Universities are dominated by Left Wing SJW's and Nutjob Professors, and many of the students have to do Snowflake 101 during their first year.

I think that is why he took them on.

gg
 
Sorry, but this guy is totally lost.

He thinks life has meaning - it doesn't - life just is. That's one of the hardest things for the ego to accept; that, and its own demise. It's like he's realized at some level that life isn't all it's cracked up to be (ie. money and women don't create happiness), and now he's come up with 12 laws to live by which will stave off his severe existential depression. The guy is in tears at the drop of a hat!

The fact that he has rocketed into popularity says a lot about where society is at. The lost leading the lost. Now line up here and get your book signed. :(
 
notting said:
So you have figured out what geniuses, philosophers and realized mystics have found completely contradicts?
Please explain your rational for this all conclusive revelation.
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Life is just about desire fulfillment. It's all we do, and it's self-evident. We're designed that way, juts like a tree is designed to seek water and sunlight, grow and reproduce. It's a path (imo), but there's no meaning in it. Even if the real self is realized (some say this is the ultimate desire) .... then so what?

To me, 'meaning' implies understanding on the level of the mind. Life has never been understood by anyone at that level, afaik. Anyone who tries to understand (guys like Jordan) tend to exhaust themselves. Life remains a complete mystery.
 
Lets examine your statements.

Gringotts Bank said:
'meaning' implies understanding on the level of the mind
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It follows that there is meaning because there is understanding.

Gringotts Bank said:
He thinks life has meaning - it doesn't
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This contradicts the first statement, which suggests meaning is understanding - affirming that there is meaning.

Gringotts Bank said:
Life is just about desire fulfillment.
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Taking this statement.
If you fulfilled all your desires or an over arching all pervading desire, you would then achieve fulfillment!?
It would then be fair to say, given your position 'that life is only about desire fulfillment,' that the meaning of life, is complete fulfillment of desire?

Then one might ask, if one practiced contentment, rather than the pursuit of desire, and there by rooting out the source of desire itself, wouldn't one then achieve fulfillment independently of the pursuit of desire fulfillment?
Wouldn't that, then, be tantamount to achieving fulfillment without fulfilling a single desire rendering the path of - desire fulfillment - obsolete for the purpose of achieving the fulfillment of all desires, making the practice of contentment most meaningful for the purpose of fulfillment. :D

It may also be meaningful to add that Jordan suggests you clean your room and stand up straight, 'get your house in order' so to speak, as a first step, in finding and feeling a sense of purpose, direction and self esteem. Even though these trivial, menial accomplishments may seem pointless and circular, his suggestion is based on well tested findings that - we need these kinds of gratifying 'psychological feedback loops' to give us a sense of purpose, meaning and self esteme for a healthy mental constitution.

So whilst this suggestion, of Jordan's, may be devoid of an overarching all pervading meaning that one may seek to satisfy ones existential angst, HE suggests them!! This is actually his main aim, which is also in alignment with your position that there is no meaning to life and that it is just about fulfilling desires. So why would you right him off on the basis of, him additionally finding that life has meaning, whilst he offers something of value for the menial?
 
notting said:
Lets examine your statements.



It follows that there is meaning because there is understanding.



This contradicts the first statement, which suggests meaning is understanding - affirming that there is meaning.



Taking this statement.
If you fulfilled all your desires or an over arching all pervading desire, you would then achieve fulfillment!?
It would then be fair to say, given your position 'that life is only about desire fulfillment,' that the meaning of life, is complete fulfillment of desire?

Then one might ask, if one practiced contentment, rather than the pursuit of desire, and there by rooting out the source of desire itself, wouldn't one then achieve fulfillment independently of the pursuit of desire fulfillment?
Wouldn't that, then, be tantamount to achieving fulfillment without fulfilling a single desire rendering the path of - desire fulfillment - obsolete for the purpose of achieving the fulfillment of all desires, making the practice of contentment most meaningful for the purpose of fulfillment. :D

It may also be meaningful to add that Jordan suggests you clean your room and stand up straight, 'get your house in order' so to speak, as a first step, in finding and feeling a sense of purpose, direction and self esteem. Even though these trivial, menial accomplishments may seem pointless and circular, his suggestion is based on well tested findings that - we need these kinds of gratifying 'psychological feedback loops' to give us a sense of purpose, meaning and self esteme for a healthy mental constitution.

So whilst this suggestion, of Jordan's, may be devoid of an overarching all pervading meaning that one may seek to satisfy ones existential angst, HE suggests them!! This is actually his main aim, which is also in alignment with your position that there is no meaning to life and that it is just about fulfilling desires. So why would you right him off on the basis of, him additionally finding that life has meaning, whilst he offers something of value for the menial?
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I had to read that about 7 times.

Even practising contentment - in order to sidestep the hedonic treadmill - has a hidden desire, ie. the desire to be free of desire. It's desire all the way down. I think you were saying that too.

I feel like all he does is say "be responsible for your own life and don't complain and whinge". So I agree with it, but it's hardly new or insightful, and in that sense I see no value there. Maybe it's a new way of thinking for the lefties and SJWs, or those new to mind stuff.

Some of the rules are just ridiculous. "Don't lie"...? Where did he get the insight for that beauty? Number 5 "Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them" is a recipe for disaster. It's just bland and muddled, lacking sharpness. Compared to the great psychologists, mystics and philosophers, it doesn't rate.

“Beware of those who weep with realization, for they have realized nothing.”
— Carlos Castaneda
 
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