Islam and Australia

[erasmus]

Do you know of any one who has done this, have you seen it, or have you spoken to that person??

Bosnia had many interfaith marriages,until those who preached hatred for the other won the day.
My grandfather married a Catholic and his family turned their back on him,bigotry and ignorance are nothing new,just dressed up in new clothes.

 

[joslad]

Re: Islam and Australia .

Just though I'd wade in here, (probably out of my depth).
I think a huge problem is not our differences - but the Western Worlds newfound political correctness.

We've spent time in Muslim countries, and out of respect - we try to fit in, (for example, my partner covered up on the beaches).
However, (I think) a huge problem arises when people from different cultures come over here and EXPECT us to accommodate their culture in our own country. They have no right to have these expectations and have to remember that the reason they're here is because it's better, (for them) than where they came from.

Well said. I've just spent four years living in Indonesia, where the religous zealots show very little to no tolerance for western religions. On the few occasions where expats do receive some discrete tolerance, it usually only occurs after the authorities are given financial backhanders i.e. bribes.

On the other hand when muslims come to our country (NZ in my case but the same applies in Australia) we bend over backwards to accommodate them! I could go on ....

 

[awg]

Re: Islam and Australia .

Are you telling me that you can marry a Muslim and NOT CONVERT to being a Muslim???

Yes

the children can choose to follow either religion.

Without being too personal, I know of a wealthy Indonesian Muslim, who married a Dutch/Indonesian Christian, she stayed Christian and was buried as one. This all took place in Indonesia.

Their children are mainly Muslim, but at least one is Christian.

I always assume most Muslims, like most Christians, are not devout, that has been my experience.

As far as I know inter-faith marriages also took place in former Yugoslavia.

I know a couple who had a Serbian-Croatian union (in Aust), at the high point of the recent troubles over there!

I also would assume that the majority of information leading to the arrests of "muslim terrorist" comes from fellow Muslims.

I certainly would not hesitate to dob in any Christian that I thought was planning harm to muslims.

During my readings, it has struck me the startling similarity between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Overly devout Christians get up my nose, I'm not worried about getting Islamized in Australia, we are too apathetic

 

[DVEOUS]

I find it difficult to understand why modern intelligent people can believe in religion this day and age.
Islam, Christian, or any other voodoo rubbish, it doesn't really matter.
They're all as bad as each other.

4,000 years ago when the ancients could not explain why the sun came up every day, then fair enough.
It was appropriate back then, as there was no other explanation.
It was the "Gods".

These days, it's a different matter.

Come on.
It's the 21st century, and we've had the benefit of science for quite some time now.

They say 9 out of 10 wars are over religion.
That's a lot of carnage attributable to something that's meant to embrace peace on earth.
The world would be a much better place, without ANY religious rubbish.

We would probably have to find something else to fight over though.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I find it difficult to understand why modern intelligent people can believe in religion this day and age.
Islam, Christian, or any other voodoo rubbish, it doesn't really matter.
They're all as bad as each other.

4,000 years ago when the ancients could not explain why the sun came up every day, then fair enough.
It was appropriate back then, as there was no other explanation.
It was the "Gods".

These days, it's a different matter.

Come on.
It's the 21st century, and we've had the benefit of science for quite some time now.

They say 9 out of 10 wars are over religion.
That's a lot of carnage attributable to something that's meant to embrace peace on earth.
The world would be a much better place, without ANY religious rubbish.

We would probably have to find something else to fight over though.

Often it is because they were brought up in that belief, the tribal effect.

Your parents are orthodox copts, so will you be.

Often people migrate to religion because their lives are totally chaotic, illness, mental problems, drugs or domestic problems. Religion provides a constant in their lives, and often for the good. but it is a constant , out of chaos and very attractive to the vulnerable.

The problem with Islam is that there is a significant rump of that religion given to destroying people not of that faith.

So if you get a chaotic, ill, mentally ill, drug user, with domestic problems who returns or converts to Islam , then you have got big problems in 2009.

If only they'd take up buddhism and go to the US and get rooted by a quack in saffron robes, driving a rolls Royce, then the world would be a much safer place.

But no, they take up Islam and that leads to all sorts of complications.

At least if they took up buddhism, all we'd have to worry about would be sexually transmitted disease rather than being blown to bits.

gg

 

[Donga]

So if you get a chaotic, ill, mentally ill, drug user, with domestic problems who returns or converts to Islam , then you have got big problems in 2009.

If only they'd take up buddhism and go to the US and get rooted by a quack in saffron robes, driving a rolls Royce, then the world would be a much safer place. But no, they take up Islam and that leads to all sorts of complications.

At least if they took up buddhism, all we'd have to worry about would be sexually transmitted disease rather than being blown to bits.

gg

Love it gg, certain ring to it as well.

More seriously, believe we are evolving more quickly now than at any time in the past million years. Some races a little slower than others depending on the remaining influence of hierachial religion. For example our disdain for body bags comapred to WWII, WWI and all the wars before that, also equal rights, we've come a long way philosophically in a few generations. Thankfully the silly beliefs are being snotted in the West (little spike from Catholic Day etc, whatever, mere blimps) and there is a danger that the lagging societies might screw up unless they put the mullahs in their rightful place. Education and hate to say it, but globalisation are key. There has to something good about globalisation - sure beginning to miss those old asian villages and slow pace of living.

As for Islam, have lived in Indonesia twice and northern hausa Nigeria in the eighties. Fond memories of the locals in both countries. My bro in law is turk cypriot and dinky di Aussie. My concern is the Moslem community could be more vocal about the small extremist element, they can be apologists. But so can Christians be after someone kills an abortion doctor in the US. We certainly shouldn't allow kids to be brain washed in any religion at school.

 

[Mr J]

Re: Islam and Australia .

During my readings, it has struck me the startling similarity between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Not surprising considering they have the same origin.

 

[gooner]

Anyone see all those muslims put away for terrorist crimes the other day? There were planning on attacking Sydney and Melbourne.

What you may have missed is that the reason the police got on to them was because other muslims were concerned about what they were discussing and plotting and grassed them up to the police.

It is a small minority of idiots that ruin it for everyone. Same with all religions - Christians bombing abortion clinics and extremist Jews who believe all Arabs should be expelled from Palestine.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Anyone see all those muslims put away for terrorist crimes the other day? There were planning on attacking Sydney and Melbourne.

What you may have missed is that the reason the police got on to them was because other muslims were concerned about what they were discussing and plotting and grassed them up to the police.

It is a small minority of idiots that ruin it for everyone. Same with all religions - Christians bombing abortion clinics and extremist Jews who believe all Arabs should be expelled from Palestine.

Good to hear gooner.

Thats my experience of Muslims. Good folk, like a joke and a good conversation, and not by any means a danger to Australia.

gg

 

[Bobby]

Re: Islam and Australia .

One of the more hateful sites on the internet,nothing untrue, completely lop sided and using smear tactics

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Just reread your post , nothing untrue Thanks, your confirmation is most welcome

 

[erasmus]

Re: Islam and Australia .

Just reread your post , nothing untrue Thanks, your confirmation is most welcome

That's correct , and as i continued to say "completely lop sided and using smear tactics to label all Muslims as extreme."

 

[Calliope]

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In regards to suicide bombers if you are killed by a suicide bomber or a bomb detonated from elsewhere or dropped from a plane,or use rockets from a helicopter, doesn't make much difference does it ?

Tell that to the relatives and friends of those killed in the Twin Towers massacre. These people were deliberately targeted for no other reason than radical Islamic hatred for the American way of life.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Islam and Australia .

Tell that to the relatives and friends of those killed in the Twin Towers massacre. These people were deliberately targeted for no other reason than radical Islamic hatred for the American way of life.

I must agree mate.

One can intellectualise and speak from experience of different cultures , but I must admit if I had the balls of one those 9/11 islamist monsters , under a bunsen burner, I'd be very slowly turning up the heat.

gg

 

[erasmus]

Re: Islam and Australia .

Tell that to the relatives and friends of those killed in the Twin Towers massacre. These people were deliberately targeted for no other reason than radical Islamic hatred for the American way of life.

Why should i tell them anything except how sorry i am for their loss?

 

[theasxgorilla]

Re: Islam and Australia .

Tell that to the relatives and friends of those killed in the Twin Towers massacre. These people were deliberately targeted for no other reason than radical Islamic hatred for the American way of life.

I thought it was because of the American policy (silent or otherwise) to disrupt the Middle East region and thereby prevent anything resembling an Islamic union of sorts from coming into being?

 

[Bobby]

Re: Islam and Australia .

I thought it was because of the American policy (silent or otherwise) to disrupt the Middle East region and thereby prevent anything resembling an Islamic union of sorts from coming into being?

Thats an interesting slant you have .

My thought is ~ non fingo hypotheses

 

[Calliope]

Re: Islam and Australia .

I thought it was because of the American policy (silent or otherwise) to disrupt the Middle East region and thereby prevent anything resembling an Islamic union of sorts from coming into being?

If you believe that you will believe anything. And what is your spin on the Bali bombings?

 

[Sean K]

I'm with the gorilla to some extent.

If the US (and the west) hadn't meddled in the Islamic world for geopoliticalsocial gain then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Much like the Islamic world wouldn't have been destroyed if they didn't go on a rampage through North Africa and Europe in the Middle Ages. Anyone who understands the Exodus or Muhammads victories will see the hypocracies.

No one has a leg to stand on in this argument. We are all guilty. We all want to win, and survive.

 

[swm79]

I'm definately not getting involved in this argument but has anyone seen the documentary called "War On Democracy"

Gives you some idea that America isnt as innocent as it makes out

 

[Calliope]

I'm with the gorilla to some extent.

If the US (and the west) hadn't meddled in the Islamic world for geopoliticalsocial gain then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Much like the Islamic world wouldn't have been destroyed if they didn't go on a rampage through North Africa and Europe in the Middle Ages. Anyone who understands the Exodus or Muhammads victories will see the hypocracies.

No one has a leg to stand on in this argument. We are all guilty. We all want to win, and survive.

Even though you have lost your mantle of moderator, it is good to see that you have retained all your wisdom, and ability to put errant posters on the right track.