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Very, Very good!
Very, Very good!all religions are essentiallly ideological and linguistic viruses which infect people who are vulnerable to accepting easy answers to unanswerable questions.
the church and the bible are manipulative tools for ensuring the flock don't stray too far.
Very well said
It appears the bell curve of answers is skewed towards the heathens at present.
It would be interesting to run it in a bear market.
Enclosed is a chart of god superimposed on a monthly chart of the XAO
Garpal
Sounds like his parishioners have as much faith in him as they do in the churchhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200306/s871560.htm I'm an atheist, pastor declares . A Danish pastor in the state Protestant Church has been suspended from his job after admitting he does not believe in God.
The Danish news agency Ritzau says Pastor Thorkild Grosboell revealed his religious beliefs, or lack thereof, in a newspaper interview published at the weekend. Bishop Lise-Lotte Rebel described the pastor's comments as totally unacceptable and suspended him for one week.
She says while the church has a lot of room for diversity, Pastor Grosboell's complete lack of faith has pushed things too far.
Pastor Grosboell has remained reasonably tight-lipped, saying he is sick and tired of preaching about his views.
A few quotes I found on the subject:-http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200306/s877813.htm Parishioners demand return of atheist pastor. Hundreds of parishioners in the Danish village of Taarbaek have come to the defence of their pastor after he was suspended for not believing in God and have demanded his reinstatement, Danish media reported.
At a protest, parishioners condemned the state Lutheran Protestant Church for its decision to suspend 55-year-old Thorkild Grosboell after he spoke of his lack of beliefs in a newspaper interview last week. "If there is no place for our pastor in this Church, then there is no place for many of us either," the head of the parish council, Lars Heilesen, told the gathering.
Some 88 per cent of Danes are members of the State church. Bishop Lise-Lotte Rebel suspended Pastor Grosboell, calling his comments "totally unacceptable" and ordering him to make a statement "clarifying that he did not want to sow doubt about the Church's confession but rather trigger a debate".
Since he has yet to do so, the suspension has not been lifted. The pastor and the bishop are due to meet on Friday.
"With his comments, the pastor has created confusion and uncertainty about what the Church stands for," Bishop Rebel said.
Denmark's Minister for Ecclesiastical Affairs, Tove Fergo, has taken the Bishop's side in the matter, saying a pastor cannot work in the State church if he or she does not believe in God.
According to a study published in the religious daily Kristelig Dagbladet, 90 per cent of pastors agree.
However, a committee fighting corruption and abuse of power in Denmark has denounced what it described as censorship against the pastor, saying his freedom of expression had been violated.
It has filed a police complaint against the Church, accusing it of violating the Danish constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights.
PS Let's tone down the faith, especially in the vicinity of atomic bombs."Christians hold that their faith does good, but other faiths do harm. What I wish to maintain is that ALL faiths do harm. We may define faith as a firm belief in something for which there is no evidence. When there is evidence, noone speaks of "faith". We do not speak of faith that two and two are four, or that the earthis round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substiture emotion for evidence. We are told that faith could remove mountains, but noone believed it, we are now told that the atomic bomb can remove mountains, and everyone believes it" - Bertrand Russell.
With all my travels I've always noticed ...poorer the country ,stronger beliefs in a God ,richer the country ,then not so much.
I believe Jesus had a vision of how we could all live with each other in a better way. I value his message.
Then the Europeans got a hold of it and turned it into a way to control the masses.
I also beleive Jesus would have been shocked at what we did with his teachings
Sorry but thats just stupid! and it sounds like many religious people I have met over the years, trying to twist words to create more confusion in order to win an argument about this very questionOn a side note, did anyone ever think that the whole "creation" story with Adam and Eve might not be so literal and that it just represents something else?
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and as for God, who are we to question Gods existence...?
rafa,
we are entities proven to exist
In my humble opinion, believing in anything with certainty is start of all problems, be it certain that GOD DOES NOT EXIST or certain that GENESIS is literally true!
I have four books in front of me now.One is The Book of Mormon (the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints) , one is the Holy Bible-King James version (church of jesus christ of latter-day saints) , one is Holy Bible (placed by The Gideons) and one is Mankind`s search for God (jehovah`s witness).
So you would say that believing with certainty that god does exist is equally as silly as believing with certainty that god doesn't exist?
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(unless you believe the Matrix)
a great caterpillar minidocumentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWOC8trquFo BBC Worldwide: Attenborough - Caterpillars
INSTINCT SOULS and BIRDDOGS
I spied a brown hawk on a hovering stalk, As he straightened and swooped for some feast,
And I wondered who learned him, and what birthright earned him, The power and skills of the beast,
And it’s London to brick that he knew as a chick, Or perhaps from some parent deceased,
That you swoop or you die, with a sharp beak and eye, As your latent hawk skills are released.
I saw a white dove, that pure symbol of love, Who so gracefully slipped through the sky,
And she flew to her nest, to the ones she loved best, That her hungry young tribe wouldn’t cry,
And I watched oh so slow, as they formed a small row, On a wee little branch nearby,
And from somewhere within came a flight instinct grin - They somehow decided to fly!.
My dog watched them both with a soft whimpered oath, And she stopped in her tracks in the dirt,
-- Tail as straight as a die, -- and one foot bent and high ! Like a motionless arrow alert.
And I haven’t a clue where she learnt what to do, But it wasn’t from me that’s a cert,
And I guess some subliminal signal from mum, Has entrenched and refused to revert.
We learn half our ways under parental gaze, The other half’s there on day one,
And millions of creatures have dozens of features, And all someone’s daughter or son,
The lion kills true, as his parent’s did too, With a soul - cruel - akin to a gun,
While the soul of a deer knows only to fear, And its legs know only to run.
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And hawk and dove and parents may die , But the soul will live on in the son.
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And the soul of the dog knows to serve and to try, And to lick your hand – and have fun.
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