Is the Labor Party ready to govern?

[sptrawler]

The problem Labor has at the moment, IMO, is, the electorate is concerned about the economy and job security.

Labor at its conference, seems to be worried about gay marriage and acknowledging Abbott's track record on immigration.

 

[SirRumpole]

The problem Labor has at the moment, IMO, is, the electorate is concerned about the economy and job security.

Labor at its conference, seems to be worried about gay marriage and acknowledging Abbott's track record on immigration.

Agreed, but I think (hope) that will change when the election is announced.

 

[sptrawler]

Agreed, but I think (hope) that will change when the election is announced.

Well they will have to hurry up and formulate a fiscal platform, otherwise it will look as though it is a back of the napkin excercise.

For all Abbott's faults, they have maintained the same song.

 

[moXJO]

For all Abbott's faults, they have maintained the same song.

And Abbott has a lot of faults. Can't say I like this liberal government, but labor just looks awful.
Gay marriage.
carbon tax.
Recognition of Palestine.
50/50 ratio of men to women in party.
doubling refugee intake and removal of temporary protection visas.

Are these really what you lead in with coming to an election? Can't say they are vote changing ideas. In fact they more or less stole the greens policies and one of Abbotts.
And on top from what I heard from the grapevine- labor is still a party very much divided. Apparently the level of hate between left and right factions is poisonous.

Not much of a choice this election.

 

[SirRumpole]

And Abbott has a lot of faults. Can't say I like this liberal government, but labor just looks awful.
Gay marriage.
carbon tax.
Recognition of Palestine.
50/50 ratio of men to women in party.
doubling refugee intake and removal of temporary protection visas.

Are these really what you lead in with coming to an election? Can't say they are vote changing ideas. In fact they more or less stole the greens policies and one of Abbotts.
And on top from what I heard from the grapevine- labor is still a party very much divided. Apparently the level of hate between left and right factions is poisonous.

Not much of a choice this election.

A tax is a mechanism by which a government receives revenue.

How does the government get revenue from an ETS ?

 

[Smurf1976]

A tax is a mechanism by which a government receives revenue.

Normally yes, but I'd argue that if the revenue were going to someone other than government then it's still effectively a tax in practice if not by literal definition.

Personally, I consider the practical definition to be better as "a charge or other collection of money which does not directly fund the activity to which the charge is applied and where payment of the charge cannot legally be avoided whilst still undertaking the activity".

With all the privatisations of previously government-owned facilities, we're getting to the point where some of the charges applied are very tax-like in nature. Eg airports applying a charge to any motor vehicle which drives onto their property with no apparent linkage between the charge applied and any actual cost - that's getting very close to being a tax in my view, albeit a privately collected one.

 

[DB008]

A tax is a mechanism by which a government receives revenue.

How does the government get revenue from an ETS ?

Company ABC pays a carbon tax, then the ALP buys green carbon tax credits from China. WTF? Why not build solar/wind farms here with the revenu raised. Oh, and 10% of the carbon tax also went to the U.N.

 

[sydboy007]

Company ABC pays a carbon tax, then the ALP buys green carbon tax credits from China. WTF? Why not build solar/wind farms here with the revenu raised. Oh, and 10% of the carbon tax also went to the U.N.

Much better to take general revenue and pay companies to not produce the CO2 equivalent?

 

[sptrawler]

Much better to take general revenue and pay companies to not produce the CO2 equivalent?

Or make it a general and company tax, then send the companies broke.
Either way it is a tax, that achieves nothing, other than put a further nail in our cardboard coffin.

 

[SirRumpole]

Or make it a general and company tax, then send the companies broke.
Either way it is a tax, that achieves nothing, other than put a further nail in our cardboard coffin.

Getting the lead out of petrol or banning CFC's was going to send companies broke according to the alarmists but we have adjusted to both.

Ultimately it's the consumer who pays , so if Labor is elected with a policy of an ETS, they have every right to implement that policy.

 

[sptrawler]

Getting the lead out of petrol or banning CFC's was going to send companies broke according to the alarmists but we have adjusted to both.

Ultimately it's the consumer who pays , so if Labor is elected with a policy of an ETS, they have every right to implement that policy.

You may not have noticed, but taking the lead out of petrol was a World wide excercise, small but possibly important point.

 

[SirRumpole]

You may not have noticed, but taking the lead out of petrol was a World wide excercise, small but possibly important point.

Emissions trading schemes exist all over the world.

Personally I think that if we want to reduce emissions, then just regulate emissions, but that seems too simple for some people in politics to grasp.

 

[sptrawler]

Emissions trading schemes exist all over the world.

That is true, what Labor introduced was a seat of the pants, tax grab, not an emissions trading scheme.

Anyway, Labor will have another item to put on their to do list, right after gay marriage, legislate to criminalise booing at football.

 

[Tisme]

Anyway, Labor will have another item to put on their to do list, right after gay marriage, legislate to criminalise booing at football.

And Dreamworld copter joyflights