Is Shorten PM material?

moXJO · 29 May 2019

IFocus said:
Thanks to Superglue

"Definition of identitarian - relating to or supporting the political interests of a particular racial, ethnic, or national group, typically one composed of Europeans or white people."

This is a badly defined definition slant imo.
At its core it is basically tribalism when talking about left or right spectrum.

And we see it on this forum with the 'likes' we give members who we think have scored a point from the other side or who we define are aligned to our side.

Realistically we are slightly different shades of the same color, arguing over minutely differing points.

Authoritarianism left, or right is and should be the enemy.

sptrawler · 29 May 2019

The thread seems to be drifting away from Bill Shorten, and as miner says, he has run his race.
So maybe another thread needs starting.

bellenuit · 29 May 2019

IFocus said:
Wong refused to shake Birminghams because he lied and misrepresented Labors and the Coalitions positions, simple

One can always make excuses, but it shows she has no class.

SirRumpole · 29 May 2019

wayneL said:
Also, really trying to respect Albo, but he's making it hard.

Some people are never satisfied.

What's your problem with Albo ?

SirRumpole · 29 May 2019

sptrawler said:
The thread seems to be drifting away from Bill Shorten, and as miner says, he has run his race.
So maybe another thread needs starting.

We can't start new threads in General Chat any more.

PZ99 · 29 May 2019

SirRumpole said:
We can't start new threads in General Chat any more.

Yeppers, I'd say that's Joe's way of saying "It's Time" for stock chat now the election's over

sptrawler · 29 May 2019

I didn't realise, sounds like a good move.

Joe Blow · 29 May 2019

PZ99 said:
Yeppers, I'd say that's Joe's way of saying "It's Time" for stock chat now the election's over

It's my way of saying that the General Chat forum has been killing ASF for a long time. I really didn't want to have to make these kind of changes but if I don't then it's all over red rover. Sadly, my hand has been forced.

The great shame is that it didn't have to be this way.

PZ99 · 30 May 2019

Ref's call Joe - if it's good for the site there's no argument from me.

It'll give me more time to repair the red rover

Joe Blow · 30 May 2019

PZ99 said:
Ref's call Joe - if it's good for the site there's no argument from me.

It'll give me more time to repair the red rover

I just want what's best for ASF. That's my only agenda. I'm happy to change things back to the way they were if we can get more posts in other forums and restore the balance. If those who mostly post in General Chat could lend a hand, this may happen relatively soon.

sptrawler · 30 May 2019

Might as well give Bill the last word on the election.
It is the media's fault.

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-elec...or-s-shock-election-loss-20190530-p51sqt.html

Caveman · 30 May 2019

sptrawler said:
Might as well give Bill the last word on the election.
It is the media's fault.

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-elec...or-s-shock-election-loss-20190530-p51sqt.html

Not to mention that the LNP have done a helluva lot of campaigning in the last 6 years.

Smurf1976 · 31 May 2019

Joe Blow said:
I just want what's best for ASF. That's my only agenda. I'm happy to change things back to the way they were if we can get more posts in other forums and restore the balance.

I definitely agree there's a problem when someone (anyone) looks at ASF and what they see is a page full of topics which have little if any direct relevance to investing.

Someone somewhere has probably calculated the optimum ratio of on to off topic posts for a forum but what I'll say is simply this.

If I buy a bag of apples and one apple is going rotten but the rest are fine well then I'll toss the rotten one in the bin, eat the rest and not worry about it.

If I buy a bag of apples and half of them are rotten and this happens more than once well then I won't be shopping there in future, at least not for apples.

Same goes for everything.

One thing in particular that I think we can all do to improve ASF is to respond to questions, especially from newer members. That is so even if the answer is "no such thing exists" - if that's the answer well then it needs to be said. Unanswered questions in any context are always a bad look.

As for this thread, well the voters, the Labor party and the man himself have all decided that no, Shorten is not to be PM so the question is answered.

Joe Blow · 31 May 2019

Smurf1976 said:
One thing in particular that I think we can all do to improve ASF is to respond to questions, especially from newer members. That is so even if the answer is "no such thing exists" - if that's the answer well then it needs to be said. Unanswered questions in any context are always a bad look.

Although this thread has clearly run its course, I'll just post one more time and respond to this point.

Yes, you are correct about unanswered questions and it is one thing that I am always concerned about. When I started ASF the idea was to create a community; the stock market aspect was the second thought, not the first. I wanted to create an online community because I had been involved in other online communities and became addicted to participating in them. I was taken with the idea that a place on the internet could bring people from very different geographical locations and very different places socially together. On forums you get to meet people you never would have met in real life. The whole thing seemed far too interesting for me not to give it a go. So I did, and this community is the result.

Fifteen years have taught me a lot and I think the recipe for a successful online community is actually very simple:

1. Always treat others with respect and courtesy, whether you agree with them or not.
2. When engaging in discussion and debate always be constructive and serve the discussion.
3. Always help and assist others whenever possible, especially newcomers.

That's it. I could add "stay on topic" but those three are all we really need. Just some food for thought.

sptrawler · 31 May 2019

I would be first in line to get rid of this thread, but it might have legs left, Bill might be morphing into Tony Abbott.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...his-leadership-ambitions-20190530-p51sr4.html

Joe I guess the other problem is, politics in Australia have been so turbulent in recent years, there is always something to debate.
Your idea of no new threads, is a great move, another one would be close or amalgamate a lot of the existing ones, this would reduce the subject matter.
I certainly hope you can keep the forum going, my wife isn't interested in politics or investment, I would go around the twist without the forum.

PZ99 · 31 May 2019

Can't remember if I've suggested this prior or not. Other boards hide their Off Topic / Miscellaneous / General Chat / Slush Sections from non members so that visitors to this site only see the topics that are relevant to the boards' existence. I would recommend that here.

PS: I think Bill Shorten was a Tony Abbott during the Bloody Ruddy Gillard years myself

wayneL · 31 May 2019

Corporate leviathans?

I thought it was the racist, white supremacist, climate denying, greedy, stupid, selfish, etc etc etc, Australian electorate that was to blame?

Is Shorten PM material?