Is Shorten PM material?

[PZ99]

Penny Wong - no thanks. She is Labors' Michaelia Cash.

 

[SuperGlue]

From the Senate?

She is an identitarian, not sure that is the overall mainstream political trajectory. She might get some votes on that basis, but I can't see that being good for Oz.

Interesting, learn something new today.
Looks like Penny has to go through the motions to be PM. Matter of time.

Could the Prime Minister of Australia sit in the Senate rather than the House of Representatives?

While it’s not explicit in the Constitution, government is normally formed by the party with a majority in the House of Representatives (perhaps by forming coalitions or making deals with others) telling the Governor-General they have the numbers to form government.

The Senate and Senate numbers play no part in the decision of who becomes the government.

This means that the person representing the probable governing party to the G-G will normally be a sitting member of the House of Reps, and will subsequently become Prime Minister.

Definition of identitarian - relating to or supporting the political interests of a particular racial, ethnic, or national group, typically one composed of Europeans or white people.

I doubt whether Penny is an identitarian but in any case she will definitely gain support from LGBTI and same sex marriage community.

 

[SirRumpole]

Albo is at least likeable and comes across as a decent human being, Bowen due to recent performances falls short. It will be interesting to see the outcome.

Albo is a decent bloke, but so was Kim Beazley who never won an election.

Albo has also been around a long time and seen three election defeats which is likely to leave him a bit jaded.

I agree Bowen has blotted his copybook during the election and probably is not the best pick at the moment.

I would have liked to see Mark Butler stand, he's sharp and articulate and reminds me of a Keating style attack dog.

But anyway Albo has it, so good luck to him.

 

[PZ99]

The last time the ALP won a majority Govt the opposition leader was from QLD.

QLD has the same population as Sydney... divided into 38 seats. Just sayin'

 

[sptrawler]

Albo is a decent bloke, but so was Kim Beazley who never won an election.

Albo has also been around a long time and seen three election defeats which is likely to leave him a bit jaded.

I agree Bowen has blotted his copybook during the election and probably is not the best pick at the moment.

I would have liked to see Mark Butler stand, he's sharp and articulate and reminds me of a Keating style attack dog.

But anyway Albo has it, so good luck to him.

I hear what you are saying, but the problem they have since Gillard and Rudd, Shorten kept a short reign on everyone.
So none other than Bowen have had any exposure, and the exposure Bowen got wasn't really very flattering, so it really only left Albo, Wong and Plibersek so it was a no brainer.
I think they will be grooming someone and Albo is just a stand in.

 

[macca]

It is also possible that people actually like Scomo and decide to give him a second term which means Albo gets the flick and Then Tanya says Now I will have a go.

 

[Junior]

It is also possible that people actually like Scomo and decide to give him a second term which means Albo gets the flick and Then Tanya says Now I will have a go.

I think Scomo will get a second term.

ALP will need more than 3 years to convince the electorate they aren't going to come in and try to impose a big tax agenda ever again. They scared off almost everyone over 60, small business owners, and the majority of middle income & high income Australians IMO. Talking climate change action on one hand, whilst approving Adani on the other was outright stupid.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think Scomo will get a second term.

ALP will need more than 3 years to convince the electorate they aren't going to come in and try to impose a big tax agenda ever again. They scared off almost everyone over 60, small business owners, and the majority of middle income & high income Australians IMO. Talking climate change action on one hand, whilst approving Adani on the other was outright stupid.

If the LNP don't get power prices down that could be a single point of attack for Labor.

Don't worry about their own policies, make the government the issue, there only needs to be a swing of a couple of seats.

High power prices hit everyone, consumers and business , a big mass of voters are affected .

 

[Junior]

If the LNP don't get power prices down that could be a single point of attack for Labor.

Don't worry about their own policies, make the government the issue, there only needs to be a swing of a couple of seats.

High power prices hit everyone, consumers and business , a big mass of voters are affected .

It would be a much smarter line of attack, than proposing tax hikes and labelling half the population as the Top End of Town.

If the Coalition have half a brain they will force power prices down by any possible means, and launch a few big renewable projects (and approve Adani). That would please almost everyone.

 

[HelloU]

tone deaf - seriously
only one contender (were the others warned off? in a democracy where party members vote) - seriously
the policies that we banged on about for 2 years - well 1 second after the election loss we now think they are rubbish - seriously

both sides scare the hell out of me.

 

[sptrawler]

I think Scomo will get a second term.

ALP will need more than 3 years to convince the electorate they aren't going to come in and try to impose a big tax agenda ever again. They scared off almost everyone over 60, small business owners, and the majority of middle income & high income Australians IMO. Talking climate change action on one hand, whilst approving Adani on the other was outright stupid.

If ScoMo does a reasonable job, he will be a shoe in for a second term, already Labor are struggling to be cohesive.
I think labor should have taken the opportunity, to move on to the next generation, when picking a leader. Albo seems a nice bloke, but if he had the personality to keep the party in line, Shorten would never have made leader he had a lower popularity rating than Abbott.
Just my opinion.

 

[Logique]

Its a matter of time it will be 'Is Penny Wong PM material?'
She is cool calm and collected.

Perhaps Wong could list her achievements as Minister for Finance and and Deregulation under PM Gillard, or as Minister for Climate Change and Water under PM Rudd.

Peevish Penny is unelectable. A good line in huffish indignation, not sure what else she has to offer. She hasn't had much to say either, about the post-election all male leadership of the party

 

[IFocus]

Perhaps Wong could list her achievements as Minister for Finance and and Deregulation under PM Gillard, or as Minister for Climate Change and Water under PM Rudd.

Peevish Penny is unelectable. A good line in huffish indignation, not sure what else she has to offer. She hasn't had much to say either, about the post-election all male leadership of the party

Wong is a class above the other members of the un-elected swill and highly regarded by both sides of politics Corman in particular has often paid his respect.

 

[Miner]

Joe and rest of ASF team
Should we change this title or rather close it for obvious reasons.
Shorten is now a historical could be PM - rightly or wrongly from Labour or Liberal perspective.

 

[PZ99]

John Howard was a historical could-be PM once (or twice)

 

[bellenuit]

Wong is a class above the other members of the un-elected swill and highly regarded by both sides of politics Corman in particular has often paid his respect.

Penny Wong refuses to shake Liberal senator’s hand

https://www.2gb.com/watch-penny-wong-refuses-to-shake-liberal-senators-hand/

 

[wayneL]

Wong is a class above the other members of the un-elected swill and highly regarded by both sides of politics Corman in particular has often paid his respect.

An identitarian that attempts to hide the fact that she is an identitarian; I could respect her if only she was respect-able.

Also, really trying to respect Albo, but he's making it hard.

 

[IFocus]

Wong haters..........sigh, Wong refused to shake Birminghams because he lied and misrepresented Labors and the Coalitions positions, simple.

Note Wong praised Abbott for his public service even though he stood for ever thing she battled against......that's class, compare that to the politicised comment Abbott made about Hawke.

Lets compare Wong against the scandal riven, white board hiding, bogan, Cash.....save our utes ....vomit, really this is what a government minster believes.

Thanks to Superglue

"Definition of identitarian - relating to or supporting the political interests of a particular racial, ethnic, or national group, typically one composed of Europeans or white people."

 

[wayneL]

Wong haters..........sigh, Wong refused to shake Birminghams because he lied and misrepresented Labors and the Coalitions positions, simple.

Note Wong praised Abbott for his public service even though he stood for ever thing she battled against......that's class, compare that to the politicised comment Abbott made about Hawke.

Lets compare Wong against the scandal riven, white board hiding, bogan, Cash.....save our utes ....vomit, really this is what a government minster believes.

Thanks to Superglue

"Definition of identitarian - relating to or supporting the political interests of a particular racial, ethnic, or national group, typically one composed of Europeans or white people."

Please @IFocus, don't try to tell me your whole party isn't identitarian.

Also, don't try to tell me Wong hasn't missed represented her opponents. Pulleeze.

Additionally, can your definition of identitarian according to you be any more racist.

You racist!

Identity politics encompass a whole plethora of issues regarding identity from race, sexuality, ethnicity, gender, etc etc etc

Come back to me when your faculties of critical thinking are engaged.

 

[IFocus]

It would be more useful if you stopped accusing (hating) others of your own behaviour.

Also would serve the forum as a whole better if you could actually put forward an argument on the issue rather than insinuations and accusations of other members which severely undermines your own standing.