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Is Shorten PM material?

Is Shorten PM material?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 16.2%

  • No

    Votes: 31 83.8%
  • Total voters
    37
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Tisme said:
They have cemented their position as the centrist party.

In Batman there was a Bernardi candidate who only scored in the 6 percentile ... that is where the Lib vote should have gone, but it didn't get close to the ~historical 20% conservatives total.

I'm getting worried at the specter of a Labor govt with their quota based, rather than merit based members and the absence of traditional Labor fundamentals they originally championed.
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Ged kearney is hardly a centrist.

I'm worried about where all these SJW tossers will lead us. There are more people fighting back against it. A lot get destroyed- business wise/socially.
 
Tisme said:
I'm getting worried at the specter of a Labor govt with their quota based, rather than merit based members and the absence of traditional Labor fundamentals they originally championed.
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Not enough hard heads in the Labor Party today.

No Lindsay Tanner. no Keating, no Peter Walsh.

All soft and squidgy, but after six years of nothingness from the Libs, what else ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Not enough hard heads in the Labor Party today.

No Lindsay Tanner. no Keating, no Peter Walsh.

All soft and squidgy, but after six years of nothingness from the Libs, what else ?
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Don't agree. I think Bowen has plenty. And he seems to be able to convince the party. Shorten is willing to take some risks. The baby boomers are now on the way out and the next generation are sick of the largesse they are still receiving. Change is inevitable. It's the Libs that look fragile and with Abbotts aim to make sure Turnbull doesn't get re-elected, it's looking more and more like Shorten will be our next Prime Minister.
 
Knobby22 said:
Don't agree. I think Bowen has plenty. And he seems to be able to convince the party. Shorten is willing to take some risks. The baby boomers are now on the way out and the next generation are sick of the largesse they are still receiving. Change is inevitable. It's the Libs that look fragile and confused.
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I think Bowen is competent and hard working but you need a strong economic team to moderate the efforts of the big spenders and he can't do it alone.

Labor seems to be going down the road of social inclusion by quota at the expense of talent in my view and it could cost them later on.
 
Knobby22 said:
Don't agree. I think Bowen has plenty. And he seems to be able to convince the party. Shorten is willing to take some risks. The baby boomers are now on the way out and the next generation are sick of the largesse they are still receiving. Change is inevitable. It's the Libs that look fragile and with Abbotts aim to make sure Turnbull doesn't get re-elected, it's looking more and more like Shorten will be our next Prime Minister.
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Labor is in with a very good chance. God help us when he is put up on the world stage, the dirty little union grub.
Libs have had very good dealings with trade and Turnbulls negotiating skills are central to that.
They are giving it a red hot crack at growing the pie rather then Shortens "Taxes are great" mantra.

Even though the left portray him as the evil overlord, Dutton has a very effective and no nonsense style of getting things done. He also doesn’t shy away from responsibility.
 
SirRumpole said:
Paying no tax on super after 60 is pretty encouraging.
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And how long do you think that will last under a Labor/Greens government?

Because Labor/Greens are currently in the process of re-classifying retirees as fat-cat class enemies.

When Shorten, Plibersek and Natali offer up their franking credits to the common good, then they might earn some credibility. Don't hold your breath!
 
SirRumpole said:
Paying no tax on super after 60 is pretty encouraging.
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You have to be kidding, next cab off the rank, no lump sum withdrawls, then you will have to use all super balance before you qualify for any pension. Can't wait and see the plebs choke when that is brought in.
 
I think there's a hidden message in some of these posts.

Never stand between a conservative and their cash handouts :p

SirRumpole said:
I think you will find that it is 60.
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Yes and no - sort of...

It's 60 if you retire but 65 if you stay at work.
 

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