Is Shorten PM material?

noco · 16 May 2017

moXJO said:
I'm on the right and I find him and the current libs terrible.
Not that I endorse the labor party at all. The last thing the country needs is minority headfukc policies and debates over gay marriage being center stage. There was a big fuss over a woman politician breastfeeding in the Senate or something. Who the hell cares, we have had every member sucking on the taxpayers teat in parliament for years. Whats the fuss over one more.

I can't defend the current libs, less so with labor.

I think Turnbull will be gone before Xmas2017....He will either resign of get kicked out.

Tisme · 16 May 2017

noco said:
I think Turnbull will be gone before Xmas2017....He will either resign of get kicked out.

If Peter Garret can get back on stage and pack the house, perhaps Mal can reclaim some of his prestige if he leaves sooner than later.

noco · 16 May 2017

Tisme said:
If Peter Garret can get back on stage and pack the house, perhaps Mal can reclaim some of his prestige if he leaves sooner than later.

Off Topic......The thread is about Bill Shorten....He is the one who should reign.

Turnbull should resign with dignity rather than bear the shame of being voted out.

Tisme · 16 May 2017

noco said:
Off Topic......The thread is about Bill Shorten....He is the one who should reign.

Turnbull should resign with dignity rather than bear the shame of being voted out.

Very odd you would endorse Shorten ....strange days.

Tisme · 16 May 2017

Another example of why Labor continues to garner votes from the fringes moving into mainstream. There's talk of crowd funding an Ark to another planet to escape Earth before it's too late.

https://www.facebook.com/

Tisme · 19 June 2017

Oh oh Bill Looks like a shoe in at this stage.

Can someone please offer Tanya and Penny a job at Landbridge Group.

Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor
Newspoll comes in at 53-47 for the third time in a row, with both leaders down slightly on their net approval ratings.

William Bowe
Editor of The Poll Bludger

courtesy of The Australian, has Labor’s two-party preferred lead unchanged at 53-47, from primary votes of Coalition 36% (steady), Labor 37% (up one), Greens 9% (down one) and One Nation 11% (up two). The two leaders have recorded identical personal ratings of 32% approval and 55% disapproval, which in Malcolm Turnbull’s case means a three point drop on approval and a one point increase on disapproval, while Bill Shorten is respectively down one and up two. Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister is at 44-31, compared with 45-33 last time. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1786.

sptrawler · 19 June 2017

Just shows what a bad state Australian politics is at, very very very sad.

Race to the lowest common denominator, but hey at least everyone is forewarned.
Don't save, don't try, find a reason not to achieve.
If you do achieve, you will be punished. lol

PZ99 · 20 June 2017

I still rate this current offering as slightly better than 2010, 2013 or anything involving Tony Abbott. The LCD from the press on the other hand will be a story in itself.

Can't wait for the "Ditch the Kitsch" signs and other such hyperbole the mainstream media (and Bark Latham) will be using to disguise the false/lazy journalism leading up to the next election.

Tink · 20 June 2017

Have a look at the state of Victoria, and that is what you will have with Shorten, imv.

No accountability.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/i-dislike-daniel-andrews-intensely.32824/

dutchie · 20 June 2017

Is Shorten PM material?
Importantly Malcolm thinks he is. He is doing his utmost to make sure Billy is elected.

Thanks for nothing Malcolm.

PZ99 · 20 June 2017

And yet Malcolm Turnbull out rates Bill Shorten as "PM material" every time. Abbott did not.

Yes I saw what happened in Victoria. They had a one term Coalition Govt with two premiers in three years which I partially attribute to Tony Abbott. Same goes for QLD.

As recently as last week Abbott stated that Bill Shorten was PM material and would become PM.

How ironic for that homophobe to be batting for the other side; keep him away from my seat

Tisme · 20 June 2017

PZ99 said:
And yet Malcolm Turnbull out rates Bill Shorten as "PM material" every time. Abbott did not.

Yes I saw what happened in Victoria. They had a one term Coalition Govt with two premiers in three years which I partially attribute to Tony Abbott. Same goes for QLD.

As recently as last week Abbott stated that Bill Shorten was PM material and would become PM.

How ironic for that homophobe to be batting for the other side; keep him away from my seat

I think Bill's running equal with Malcolm as preferred and not preferred lately.

What appears to be happening is "Howard's Battlers" who were by and large middle class bogans aren't satisfied with the lack of and diminishing (albeit Malcolm's recent shouting incarnation) gutter brawling politics that Abbott brought to an artform. The bogans can't make the transition to maturity and so they are looking for a different posse to support and regression back to their traditional ALP roots is the easier path.

PZ99 · 20 June 2017

Malcolm and Bill are poles apart and have been from the start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_...ion#Preferred_prime_minister_and_satisfaction

I think people prefer Malcolm but believe his party and their polices stink. This is my view as well.

Tisme · 20 June 2017

PZ99 said:
Malcolm and Bill are poles apart and have been from the start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_...ion#Preferred_prime_minister_and_satisfaction

I think people prefer Malcolm but believe his party and their polices stink. This is my view as well.

Did you not read the article I posted a few back?

I admire the fact you are much the same as me when it comes to political offerings.

I must admit I was far more scathing of Rudd and Gillard when they were governing, primarily because the ALP is made of a much higher level of the educated and academics who should know better than throwing money at social engineering and mitigating the wrongs of progressive liberalism that once ensconced itself as the cornerstone of the Liberal Party before thuggery and bear faced lying became it's hallmark.

The ALP are a complete no go zone for me because I just can't endorse penalisation for being the best person for a job regardless of gender, colour, religion, ethnicity; for having an innate disdain of human effrontories, for being against public service size and absurd renumerations, for being scrupled in giving away our freedoms in the name of harmony with barbarians.

SirRumpole · 20 June 2017

PZ99 said:
I think people prefer Malcolm but believe his party and their polices stink. This is my view as well.

Turnbull has turned from a man who believed in things to a pompous windbag defending the indefensible and trying desperately to hold on to his own job by berating the Opposition and blaming them for every ill under the sun, and giving largess to his mates in business and the upper income levels while ignoring everyone else.

It sickens me to listen to him these days, and while I cringe when I listen to Shorten for his faltering delivery and hymn book recitals at least he sometimes seems to make sense. (if only he could get rid of Tanya and Penny and get the rest of the victim mentality set).

dutchie · 23 July 2017

Well Bill Shorten is lying again (remember the Mediscare campaign he lied about).

This time he is lying about inequality being at a 75-year high.

Bill Shorten’s claim that inequality is at a 75-year high is “patently false”, according to one of Australia’s leading labour market economists who suggested stagnant wage growth had made such claims believable.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...y/news-story/8f024f6383f8000dd06f0febd85b89b1

No doubt he and Labor will be running their election campaign on this lie.

SirRumpole · 23 July 2017

He did put up a reasonable proposal for four year Federal terms on Insiders today.

I would vote for it, anyone else ?

Tisme · 23 July 2017

dutchie said:
Well Bill Shorten is lying again (remember the Mediscare campaign he lied about).

This time he is lying about inequality being at a 75-year high.

Bill Shorten’s claim that inequality is at a 75-year high is “patently false”, according to one of Australia’s leading labour market economists who suggested stagnant wage growth had made such claims believable.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...y/news-story/8f024f6383f8000dd06f0febd85b89b1

No doubt he and Labor will be running their election campaign on this lie.

I'm guessing Mediscare had the desired effect . I say this because the LNP has never been happy with Whitlam's legacy.

The inequailty indices are subjective enough for both side of the argument to be correct.

moXJO · 24 July 2017

SirRumpole said:
He did put up a reasonable proposal for four year Federal terms on Insiders today.

I would vote for it, anyone else ?

No actual policies, just a lot of hot air.
Saying something and actually delivering are miles apart. Have to wait and see. The middle class is already stretched with bills and taxes. Not sure how many more they want added by labor.

Libs already bought in the 'earnt here taxed here' reforms. Scaring away business probably not the best idea. Any tech start ups here are already inclined to get out of dodge.
Shorten gets a bit panicked when he has to go off speech, but the labor party definitely rolled that turd in as much glitter as they could find.

SirRumpole · 24 July 2017

moXJO said:
The middle class is already stretched with bills and taxes.

If the 'middle' class is stretched, what about the 'lower' class ?

Is Shorten PM material?