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Penalty rates have nothing to do with overtime. They are a rate set to reimburse an employee for working non sociable hours.
In what way? I've seen posts from you condemning penalty rates, long service leave and leave loading.
Why? If your boss can make money by pulling you away from family time on a public holiday you should be compensated for it.
There you go. With that erroneous comment you've just twisted things around to suit your argument. Is this the lexicon of the elitist right wing movement? Do as you say not as you do? Violating your own standards?
The workers who miss out are the workers who lose income as a result of imbecilic law changes such as the lowering or removal of penalty rates. So do you have a link or some proof that penalty rates are the reason "many jobs have been lost" as you naively put it? After all our unemployment is still relatively low, ask Malcolm Turnbull - he agrees
As for getting facts right have a look at your previous comments. One moment you're saying it's wrong to pay a second job worker $42 a hour on public holidays and the next you're saying it's wrong to assume you don't agree with penalty rates. Please make up your mind. Either you agree with penalty rates or you don't.
There you go. With that erroneous comment you've just twisted things around to suit your argument. Is this the lexicon of the elitist right wing movement? Do as you say not as you do? Violating your own standards?
Bill Shortens' "penalty rate" Christmas message was no more or less political than Malcolm Turnbulls' type of "don't be racist" message reinforcing “harmony” between Australians of different ethnicities and religions. Personally I think both messages were far more decent than Craig Kellys' disparaging and hilarious comments... not to mention your own remarks.
I don't know about your statement where I am always saying that imported goods are cheaper and that we should be thankful, that is your story but you are right, they are cheaper and perhaps we should thankful that the price of shoes and clothing we now buy in Australia are less than half the price of the cost made in Australia and one can't complain about the quality....We once had tariffs to protect our industries against cheaper imported goods but those tariffs were abolished firstly by Paul Keating......Not that I agree with tariffs and this where free trade agreements come into play.
I would rather have food on the table - like most workers. I would also like to have fair family time - like most workers. Trading away family time for work has to be fair. Reducing wages for workers who currently work on weekends for the sole purpose of opening weekends obviously isn't fair on the worker.
The average working week is beyond 40 hours due to the overtime required to keep up with the deregulated trading hours. You've also avoided the issue of salaried workers
.... at the expense of the higher pay rises of the past.
As above. Payrises are a fraction of what they were 10, 20, 30 years ago.
Not paid for by the employer. As opposed to the Tony Abbott scheme of taxing business for an over generous PPL system.
Which is what the electorate voted for prior to, and in 2007. Most people don't agree with this silly idea of turning every day of the week into a Monday
And over the years since these conditions were added, our unemployment went from double figures to less than half today despite the GFC fallout. Now what was your point again?
Which hasn't been in place for 10 years. Strikes are only allowed during EBA negotiations which is what? Once every 2 or 3 years? Can't see the sky falling in.
A pointless, inaccurate statement. Aggressive says a lot more about your posting style than mine. I will address you the same way you address me so it's your choice as to how polite you want to be.
I would rather have food on the table - like most workers. I would also like to have fair family time - like most workers. Trading away family time for work has to be fair. Reducing wages for workers who currently work on weekends for the sole purpose of opening weekends obviously isn't fair on the worker.
There's never been a truer word spoken when you say we're living in a changed world. Over the last 30 years workers have lost many of their rights and allowances thanks to both sides of politics shifting to the right. It's now a far more capitalistic society, so why would I care if a business opens or closes on a Sunday? That's their choice. As previously mentioned, if your boss can make money by pulling you away from family time on a public holiday you should be compensated for it. If you have a problem with penalty rates, employ your workers on a salary. A no brainer really.
Factories closing is a result of the lowering of tariffs, increased OH&S red tape, compliance taxes, online retail, removal of taxpayer subsidies and/or the weak population base in this country. Ford & Holden didn't close because of penalty rates. They closed because they failed to sell their large, heavy, fuel thirsty cars to a populace that want smaller, fuel efficient cars. Commodore / Falcon sales figures are a fraction of where they were 20 years ago. And 20 years ago workers had far more rights than they do today.
The average working week is beyond 40 hours due to the overtime required to keep up with the deregulated trading hours. You've also avoided the issue of salaried workers
.... at the expense of the higher pay rises of the past.
As above. Payrises are a fraction of what they were 10, 20, 30 years ago.
Workers are buying their leave loading and super through low payrises.
Not paid for by the employer. As opposed to the Tony Abbott scheme of taxing business for an over generous PPL system.
Which is what the electorate voted for prior to, and in 2007. Most people don't agree with this silly idea of turning every day of the week into a Monday
And over the years since these conditions were added, our unemployment went from double figures to less than half today despite the GFC fallout. Now what was your point again?
Which hasn't been in place for 10 years. Strikes are only allowed during EBA negotiations which is what? Once every 2 or 3 years? Can't see the sky falling in.
A pointless, inaccurate statement. Aggressive says a lot more about your posting style than mine. I will address you the same way you address me so it's your choice as to how polite you want to be.
Oooh look, a smiley >
Smart move on your part noco. If this debate requires a balanced constructive argument I reckon you'll be struggling to post anything at all.
OK so you disagree with my opinion but then stake your credibility on calling me a troll?
Lol. Not worried at all. Just enjoying watching his online self destruction.I wouldn't worry about noco calling you a troll. A lot of people here think he is a troll extraordinaire.
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