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Is Shorten PM material?

Is Shorten PM material?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 16.2%

  • No

    Votes: 31 83.8%
  • Total voters
    37
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noco said:
Recent comments of the Chinese ambassador, Ma Zhaoxu, could mean Bill Shorten’s delaying stance on the free-trade agreement with China may not only be a problem for our economic future but also for our good relationship with China (“Beijing urges ‘win-win deal’ be passed quickly”, 2/9).
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Did you stop to think why the Chinese want this passed quickly ? People who do that know they are onto a good thing and want it signed off before people on our side notice the defects.

It's been 10 years, I don't think a couple of weeks matter.
 
SirRumpole said:
Did you stop to think why the Chinese want this passed quickly ? People who do that know they are onto a good thing and want it signed off before people on our side notice the defects.

It's been 10 years, I don't think a couple of weeks matter.
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Rumpy, you are like a drowning man clutching at straws.

I repeat to you again.....Read it in full and stop believing in the dishonest Shorten and the ACTU....Listen to what the true ALP men are saying...Listen to the true ALP men who have the national interest at heart...They can not all be wrong.
 
noco said:
Rumpy, you are like a drowning man clutching at straws.

I repeat to you again.....Read it in full and stop believing in the dishonest Shorten and the ACTU....Listen to what the true ALP men are saying...Listen to the true ALP men who have the national interest at heart...They can not all be wrong.
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Would be interesting to know how many of these "true ALP men" have positions on boards of companies doing business with China.
 
Even the Labor voters are now saying Turnbull would make a better PM than Barnacle Bill.

Billy boy move off your perch......you are gooooooonnnnnnnnnnnne.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-prime-minister/story-fnvc7dab-1227527418031

N an incredible early lift in the polls, a majority of Labor voters said Malcolm Turnbull is a better Prime Minister over Bill Shorten

A snap Morgan poll conducted today on who Australian voters think is the better PM found Mr Turnbull is preferred by 70 per cent of voters compared to 24 per cent for Bill Shorten.

The special Snap SMS poll of 1204 voters also found a majority of Labor supporters say Mr Turnbull is the better leader, with 50 per cent supporting him compared to 44 per cent supporting Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.

“Turnbull leads clearly amongst both genders, across all States and Territories and leads Shorten across supporters of both major parties,” Gary Morgan said.

“Greens supporters have also swung behind the new Prime Minister: Turnbull 57 per cent; Shorten 38 per cent.’’

The early numbers in Mr Turnbull’s favour come after he faced his first revolt with three Nationals crossing the floor of the Senate to vote against the governmen
 
Yea, it was easy for Shorten to beat Abbott but he was never popular. He has no hope now.
I heard one betting company has paid out on the Libs winning the next election already.

Did you see the ALP meeting with Shorten saying one gone another to go as if it was a win? A lot of foolish bravado that was just embarrassing. They said things like Turnbull only cares about Turnbull etc. was just poor judgement. They need to sack their spin doctors. It actually made them look weak and foolish.
 
Knobby22 said:
Yea, it was easy for Shorten to beat Abbott but he was never popular. He has no hope now.
I heard one betting company has paid out on the Libs winning the next election already.

Did you see the ALP meeting with Shorten saying one gone another to go as if it was a win? A lot of foolish bravado that was just embarrassing. They said things like Turnbull only cares about Turnbull etc. was just poor judgement. They need to sack their spin doctors. It actually made them look weak and foolish.
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Better PM approval does not necessarily translate into election winning.

John Howard wasn't all that popular as PM but still won elections.

Labor will probably go for the tactic that Turnbull is a high flyer out of contact with "ordinary" people, and that may have some effect.
 
SirRumpole said:
Better PM approval does not necessarily translate into election winning.

John Howard wasn't all that popular as PM but still won elections.

Labor will probably go for the tactic that Turnbull is a high flyer out of contact with "ordinary" people, and that may have some effect.
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He will be glad the election occurs before the Commissioners of Inquiries, Speakers of the House and every other email/computer illiterate gets wise to the Heath Robinson national disgrace broadband network (NDBN)
 
SirRumpole said:
Better PM approval does not necessarily translate into election winning.

John Howard wasn't all that popular as PM but still won elections.

Labor will probably go for the tactic that Turnbull is a high flyer out of contact with "ordinary" people, and that may have some effect.
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Yes you are right.......More Fabian lies and propaganda....what ever it takes ha.
 
It won't be Turnbull v Shorten come election time.

Half of the electorate doesn't know who Shorten is.

If ALP does keep Shorten, Libs will win.
 
Tanya Plibersek will be following the opinion polls closely.

However, if the Coalition wins next time, it will be Malcolm that needs to watch the polls.
 
Logique said:
Tanya Plibersek will be following the opinion polls closely.

However, if the Coalition wins next time, it will be Malcolm that needs to watch the polls.
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Bill is one of those Cromwellian patient types who ..puts his trust in God; but minds to keep his powder dry. He doesn't have to do anything while the LNP implodes.
 
dutchie said:
Shorten is not that smart.
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Not so vacuously smart not to be leader of the countries biggest single vote getter.....something you and I haven't managed thus far.

Of course he's smart.... Quentin would allow her bloodlines to be diluted by a dope.


Noco is correct in one aspect; I suspect that Bill appreciates Faith, Hope, Charity and Rat Cunning.:D
 
Shorten is getting shorter....not in height but in popularity.

The general consensus is he is gone......the events of the week with Turnbull replacing Abbott has thrown the Labor Party into turmoil......All their planning and strategy to defeat Abbott has blown out the window.




http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...t-gift-poll-gone/story-fnbcok0h-1227533935182

Bill Shorten was supremely confident he could defeat Tony Abbott after just one term in government. But even before the political system shuddered with yet another change in prime minister, this time to Malcolm Turnbull, there was pessimism in Labor ranks about the next election.

Labor was ready to run a campaign capitalising on Abbott’s unpopularity and breach of voter trust. This was Labor’s core strategy.

“There’s no doubt the wind has gone out of our sails,” a senior Labor figure said this week. “When you remove Abbott, you completely change the conversation with voters.”

In one fell swoop, Labor’s trump card has been snatched from its hands. A campaign that simultaneously presented Abbott as a fool and a danger has been scuttled. This was always a harsh assessment of Abbott, but it is one Labor had embraced and believed would resonate with voters.

Turnbull presents a much bigger challenge for Shorten. “Let’s face it,” one Labor MP reasoned, “anything is worse for Labor than Abbott.” But they added: “It’s too early to assess what it means. Changes are never free — what is the cost? What is the price of blood?”

Knowing exactly what a Turnbull prime ministership means for Shorten cannot be known definitively at this stage. Turnbull’s success will depend on being able to unite his party and turn the government in a new direction to rebuild trust. This challenge cannot be underestimated.

Yet Labor’s reliance on Abbott’s unpopularity made it complacent. So the spotlight is now on Shorten. Internal Labor criticism of Shorten’s staff, his political strategy, policy choices, party management and communication skills is not hard to find. After all, the polls show Shorten is unpopular with voters. Already Turnbull has seen support for the Coalition surge and he trounces Shorten as preferred prime minister, 62 per cent to 38 per cent.

Labor’s opposition to the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement — worth billions to the economy — put Shorten at odds with state Labor leaders and party elders. Labor’s polling, however, shows it is tapping into voter concern about unemployment and job security.
 
noco said:
Shorten is getting shorter....not in height but in popularity.

The general consensus is he is gone......the events of the week with Turnbull replacing Abbott has thrown the Labor Party into turmoil......All their planning and strategy to defeat Abbott has blown out the window.
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One leak already about how Turnbull appointed less woman than any other minister.

So I don't think Turnbull has consolidated his power as yet, and with the likes of hadley and your though leader bolt in shock over the Abbottocalypse, I can see MT having to spend a lot of time protecting his flank, let along thinking about going on the offensive with decent policy.

Hopefully Shorten is now forced to start offering some decent policy, and I think if he's smart that would be a very good wedge tactic. Show that MT is stuck with placating the loon pond right and his lustre will quickly fade.

MT either needs to assert his Liberal authority or it's going to be a very close election, one I'd say will be a poisoned chalice for the victor, because if we're not already in a technical recession by then, it wont be long after that we will be.

It'll just be a shame that Hockey wont be having to eat a lot of crow when his budget forecasts are shown to have been just as shoddy as Labor's and the deficit is ballooning towards $50B
 

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