Is Shorten PM material?

Tisme · 14 May 2015

One thing a powerful union leader doesn't suffer is fear. You don't get into the top echelons of that movement by being a wilting flower. It's harder to be where Bill was in the unions than it is to get a bum on seat with a political party.

Shorten has no intention of showing his cards while he sees the rope unwinding within the LNP; enough rope to hang themselves. Why would anyone with a brain do otherwise.

noco · 14 May 2015

Tisme said:
One thing a powerful union leader doesn't suffer is fear. You don't get into the top echelons of that movement by being a wilting flower. It's harder to be where Bill was in the unions than it is to get a bum on seat with a political party.

Shorten has no intention of showing his cards while he sees the rope unwinding within the LNP; enough rope to hang themselves. Why would anyone with a brain do otherwise.

Time will tell.....you may have to eat those words sooner than you expect.

sptrawler · 14 May 2015

Tisme said:
One thing a powerful union leader doesn't suffer is fear. You don't get into the top echelons of that movement by being a wilting flower. It's harder to be where Bill was in the unions than it is to get a bum on seat with a political party.

Shorten has no intention of showing his cards while he sees the rope unwinding within the LNP; enough rope to hang themselves. Why would anyone with a brain do otherwise.

Your right they don't suffer from fear, some suffer from conscience, principals and morals. Lots left last election.

Shorten showed his underlying beliefs, in the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd, knifing excercise.

noco · 14 May 2015

Shortens budget reply tonight was absolutely atrocious.......He left a $52 billion black hole over spending to income and he did not address how he would reduce the debt and deficit left by Rudd/Gillard/Rudd.
As usual, he was full of rhetoric and no substance......

dutchie · 15 May 2015

Is Bill PM material - he sure is if he's a Labor PM

LEIGH SALES: Let me ask you about the National Disability Insurance Scheme… The spending is all heavily backloaded. The cost of it will rise tens of billions of dollars up to the end of the decade. Where’s that money coming from?… The Medicare levy would have to go up to 5.5 per cent to cover the cost of it… Well how are you going to cover it?

BILL SHORTEN: Alright, I’ll just try and answer your question. What I believe is that there’s - we can’t afford not to have a National Disability Insurance Scheme. I believe that we already have a highly inefficient system, states and crisis dictating priorities. Right now, as we talk to each other on television, you’ve got tens of thousands of older Australians having that sort of late-night anxiety about who’s going to care for their adult child…

LEIGH SALES: Well Mr Shorten, I don’t doubt what you’re saying there, but aren’t you short-changing those very people that you’re talking about if you can’t outline how you intend to fund exactly what you say they so desperately need?

How do you fund the NDIS - with we can't afford not to have it.

Brilliant Bill. Running the country is just so easy.

noco · 15 May 2015

dutchie said:
Is Bill PM material - he sure is if he's a Labor PM

LEIGH SALES: Let me ask you about the National Disability Insurance Scheme… The spending is all heavily backloaded. The cost of it will rise tens of billions of dollars up to the end of the decade. Where’s that money coming from?… The Medicare levy would have to go up to 5.5 per cent to cover the cost of it… Well how are you going to cover it?

BILL SHORTEN: Alright, I’ll just try and answer your question. What I believe is that there’s - we can’t afford not to have a National Disability Insurance Scheme. I believe that we already have a highly inefficient system, states and crisis dictating priorities. Right now, as we talk to each other on television, you’ve got tens of thousands of older Australians having that sort of late-night anxiety about who’s going to care for their adult child…

LEIGH SALES: Well Mr Shorten, I don’t doubt what you’re saying there, but aren’t you short-changing those very people that you’re talking about if you can’t outline how you intend to fund exactly what you say they so desperately need?

How do you fund the NDIS - with we can't afford not to have it.

Brilliant Bill. Running the country is just so easy.

A magic pudding? Bill Shorten tonight promised massive new spending, but failed to tell us how he’d pay for it. Labor would create debt and deficits as far as the eye can see.

noco · 18 May 2015

If only Bill Shorten would do a simple maths course, he may well understand the workings of our economy......As Rowan Dean points out Shorten is an economic illiterate and has no understanding economic principles....Bill is a big spender and has no idea where the money will come from to pay for his thought bubbles.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...nomic-principles/story-fnihsr9v-1227358177622

Meanwhile, Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen are the Laurel and Hardy of Australian politics: two mischief-makers and cheap tricksters who, if they ever get their hands on the levers of our economy, will bring the whole edifice crashing down around us in spectacularly slapstick fashion.

They’ve already begun.

Shorten’s Budget reply speech reads like a comedy script. Anybody who takes a word of it seriously is either a gullible fool or a deliberate con-merchant. It beggars belief that the response from the gallery wasn’t side-splitting laughter rather than rent-a-crowd applause. But firstly, let’s rewind. Last Tuesday, Hockey delivered his second Budget.

Look out Billy boy, Tony is biting at your heels.....Abbott is now the preferred Prime Minister and I wonder why?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...os_poll_stunning_recovery_continues_to_50_50/

Tisme · 18 May 2015

noco said:
Meanwhile, Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen are the Laurel and Hardy of Australian politics: two mischief-makers and cheap tricksters who, if they ever get their hands on the levers of our economy, will bring the whole edifice crashing down around us in spectacularly slapstick fashion.

And so says Christopher Dore, the henchman extraordinaire of news Corp, who supposedly thinks the more he bashes the ALP the closer he will come to his holiness Rupert Murdoch. His over the top zeal as an LNP lapdog cost his mates the state election, but he still hasn't figured that out yet, being so rapt in his own importance as the praetorian guard of all things righteous.

Tisme · 18 May 2015

noco said:
A magic pudding? Bill Shorten tonight promised massive new spending, but failed to tell us how he’d pay for it. Labor would create debt and deficits as far as the eye can see.

Well then nothing will change will it ...Liberal or Labor.

I'm starting to think Clive is not the maniac he appears. Which brings me to that subject about the Chinese company suing him and all those on the bandwagon hoping he would fall off the cliff....how did that turnout?

noco · 18 May 2015

Tisme said:
Well then nothing will change will it ...Liberal or Labor.

I'm starting to think Clive is not the maniac he appears. Which brings me to that subject about the Chinese company suing him and all those on the bandwagon hoping he would fall off the cliff....how did that turnout?

Clive Palmer has already fallen off the cliff.....He said himself he will not contest any seats at the next Federal election and he himself will not be re-elected......He is a gone coon.

sptrawler · 20 May 2015

Well we did say Bill just doesn't have it, the lefties thought we were just taking cheap shots, well most people agree with us.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...ugh-with-middleaustralia-20150520-gh61q9.html

Labor have lost the plot, it is o.k fighting for a welfare dependent country, but someone has to pay for it.

Guess what, that is the majority.

The majority are getting loaded up more and more, supporting an ever increasing welfare system.

Meanwhile they are being told, there is no way they will ever get any, so suck it up.

Best of luck selling that, Abbott's last budget proved, we have moved on past that ideology .

God knows how you can aspire to a Country of endeavour and achievement, when you constantly criticise the middle class and promote welfare dependency.

This is going to become a real issue. IMO

Go Bill go.lol

dutchie · 21 May 2015

Luckily for the LNP, if the union thug Shorten is ever rolled, the stupid (lets have another Carbon Tax) Bowen would be next in line. Lol.
As for Plibersek just think Gillard.

SirRumpole · 21 May 2015

dutchie said:
Is Bill PM material - he sure is if he's a Labor PM

LEIGH SALES: Let me ask you about the National Disability Insurance Scheme… The spending is all heavily backloaded. The cost of it will rise tens of billions of dollars up to the end of the decade. Where’s that money coming from?… The Medicare levy would have to go up to 5.5 per cent to cover the cost of it… Well how are you going to cover it?

BILL SHORTEN: Alright, I’ll just try and answer your question. What I believe is that there’s - we can’t afford not to have a National Disability Insurance Scheme. I believe that we already have a highly inefficient system, states and crisis dictating priorities. Right now, as we talk to each other on television, you’ve got tens of thousands of older Australians having that sort of late-night anxiety about who’s going to care for their adult child…

LEIGH SALES: Well Mr Shorten, I don’t doubt what you’re saying there, but aren’t you short-changing those very people that you’re talking about if you can’t outline how you intend to fund exactly what you say they so desperately need?

How do you fund the NDIS - with we can't afford not to have it.

Brilliant Bill. Running the country is just so easy.

Lets remember that Tony Abbott was on a "unity ticket" with Labor over the NDIS, so why not ask Abbott the same questions about funding ?

Tisme · 21 May 2015

dutchie said:
Luckily for the LNP, if the union thug Shorten is ever rolled, the stupid (lets have another Carbon Tax) Bowen would be next in line. Lol.
As for Plibersek just think Gillard.

Tanya has that awful tick where she rolls her eyes skyward like an omnipotent mother when trying to make a point. To me it sends a message that she has no intention of engaging in debate because of it ... her way or the highway.

dutchie · 21 May 2015

SirRumpole said:
Lets remember that Tony Abbott was on a "unity ticket" with Labor over the NDIS, so why not ask Abbott the same questions about funding ?

Yes, why not ask him.

Get on to the ABC and complain, SirRumpole, because they never ask the Coalition any hard questions.

Tisme · 21 May 2015

dutchie said:
Yes, why not ask him.

Get on to the ABC and complain, SirRumpole, because they never ask the Coalition any hard questions.

Hard interviewing to one camp is always a joy to the other when it comes to politicians. I don't know why anyone defends a politician of any colour if he/she can't engage with the topic they are supposed to know. If there's a curve ball they should just say they don't know the answer, but happy to respond later. I'm pretty sure no one puts a gun to the heads of the idiots who think they can match it with the take no prisoner professionals like Leigh, Emma, et al.

I can still hear the gaffaws from the LNP fan base as Alan Jones ripped into Gillard, sending any shred of respect for the office to the toilet. Having intellectual pigmies like Jones, Bolt, etc carrying the torch for the LNP, brands the LNP as second rate by association and thinking people can't help themselves but tear into nincompoops.

trainspotter · 21 May 2015

Just gotta love the "Fairfax" way of letting it be known which lien they are taking on this one ...

Tony Abbott may be personally unpopular among middle-ground voters but the group that broke from the ALP at the 2013 election is not coming back to Bill Shorten, with many regarding him as a ranting puppet obsessed with political point scoring, and lacking in charisma.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ugh-with-middleaustralia-20150520-gh61q9.html

dutchie · 21 May 2015

Tisme said:
I can still hear the gaffaws from the LNP fan base as Alan Jones ripped into Gillard, sending any shred of respect for the office to the toilet.

Self inflicted disrespect is always worth guffawing.

Tisme · 21 May 2015

dutchie said:
Self inflicted disrespect is always worth guffawing.

Not sure that forgives Alan Jones' childish behaviour. But then I didn't like the way Pauline and Clive were treated either.

noco · 26 May 2015

Is Bill Shorten Prime Minister material?

Not according to past Labor stalwart and union leader Michael Costa.....

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ments/michael_costa_bill_shorten_is_finished/

“Shorten, like recently departed UK Labour leader Ed Miliband, is a creature of an out of touch and unrepresentative union movement that not only dominates the political structures of Labor but more and more forces an ideological straitjacket on Labor’s economic policy formulation,” he said…

“Special-interest politics has pushed Labor further and further away from the political centre. The Labor left now firmly controls Labor’s policy agenda.”

Is Shorten PM material?