Is Shorten PM material?

trainspotter · 10 December 2014

Tisme said:
Do you mind keeping on topic rather than churlish character assassination please. None of us should have to apologise for being well educated and suffer ridicule from jealous fools.

Insofar as scant knowledge, 'tisme who let the cat out of the bag about Credlin, Abbott revolt, etc ., no one else here....what have you brought to the table except disconnected right wing propaganda?

If you want to troll me with inflammatory nonsense, take it to the new thread and fight it out with someone who cares what you think. Otherwise try giving polite conversation a go as a first step up the hierarchy of needs (yes I also have degrees in Marketing and Accounting that you can use as a peasants weapon).

Have a look in the mirror

I thought I had successfully hijacked the thread due to lack of substance and entertainment value?

Time for Tisme to give the keyboard a rest methinks

Whiskers anyone?

Tisme · 10 December 2014

OT : Sorry I was out posting parcels to Tony Abbott and couple of obstreperous board members. Each has a shilling inside with the suggestion they buy a clue and follow through .

Bill Shorten :- what can be said about Bill Shorten that I haven't already thought of before?

Tisme · 10 December 2014

I watched Bill on ABC this morning where it was put to him that the public were against Abbott rather than for Shorten. Bill sidestepped, but made a arguably valid point that we have just wasted a year that we can't get back.

I then spotted this article in the Age online which is rather obvious content but readable:

"He really has not had to do anything difficult yet - certainly nothing as complex as balance a budget, thus creating new classes of losers in the process.

He knows he is vulnerable too. Vulnerable to the charges of vacuousness and endless negativity. Vulnerable to the charge of being a hollow man, interested only in securing the prize.

Self-evidently, Shorten's practice of giving as little ground to the government as possible while keeping his own powder dry is learned behaviour. It worked brilliantly for Abbott who, now in government, is having it done back to him. And again it is proving devastatingly effective. Just look at the government's paralysis in the Senate."

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...lly-deserve-to-become-pm-20141209-122qyu.html

trainspotter · 10 December 2014

Go and read and understand post #298 on this thread please.

Craton · 10 December 2014

Is Shorten PM material?

Nope. On top of that and apart from the union connection, until the day I die the Labor party will always have the backstabber label as a reminder to me of how important the bloke in the street really is to them. Winning at all costs is not how a country is governed.

moXJO · 10 December 2014

The libs will need to look very hard at how labor won the Vic state election as it will most likely be copied across state and federal.

explod · 10 December 2014

Shorten is not the man going forward, just not convincing in composure ir delivery.

Tony Bourke would be my pick

So_Cynical · 10 December 2014

Craton said:
Winning at all costs is not how a country is governed.

Yet thats how it is being governed, by a Noalition Government.

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Shorten just dosent seem to have "it"

noco · 21 March 2015

It would appear the natives in the Labor camp are becoming restless with their "stand for nothing" fearless leader.

The boot might be on the other foot soon with Labor looking for a new leader.

I mean, the man is full empty rhetoric with no national interest in getting Australia out of the mess he and his Green/Labor left wing democratic socialists (communist) party created.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1426896974787

IFocus · 21 March 2015

noco said:
It would appear the natives in the Labor camp are becoming restless with their "stand for nothing" fearless leader.

The boot might be on the other foot soon with Labor looking for a new leader.

I mean, the man is full empty rhetoric with no national interest in getting Australia out of the mess he and his Green/Labor left wing democratic socialists (communist) party created.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1426896974787

Shorten doesn't have to do a thing as the Abbott train wreck government will no doubt waste another year doing nothing but making press releasers about good government, back grounding and leaking nasty bits at each other and look over there at those bad Labor people.

Drovers dog election coming to you 2016 if Abbott continues.

noco · 21 March 2015

IFocus said:
Shorten doesn't have to do a thing as the Abbott train wreck government will no doubt waste another year doing nothing but making press releasers about good government, back grounding and leaking nasty bits at each other and look over there at those bad Labor people.

Drovers dog election coming to you 2016 if Abbott continues.

Yeah, well the leaks of discontent are starting to show in the Labor camp now.....The Liberal/National are good government trying to clean up the Green/Labor Gillard/Rudd mess but are being hampered by an incompetent Labor senate who have no national interest in the welfare of Australia and its citizens .

galumay · 21 March 2015

noco said:
....The Liberal/National are good government ... .

LOL! You dont hear many people saying that! Even within the hopeless Abbott Government. I dont think there is much doubt they are the worst government we have ever had. I have never expereinced this sort of antipathy for a government in the last 50 years. Its a special type of disgust at them from the electorate.

Mind you I am no fan of Little Bill's, I have known him personally for many years and worked with him when he was Secretary of the AWU. His only hope of becoming PM is simply that Abbott is so incredibly awful that he hands the job over on a platter because if Little Bill has to actually run a campaign the ALP are stuffed.

Its interesting being an Australian overseas at the moment, every where you go, once people realise that you are an Australian they want to discuss just how awful, hateful, mean spirited, anti-humanitarian, racist, sexist etc etc Abbott is. No one mentions Little Bill though, probably because they have never heard anything about or out of him!!

drsmith · 21 March 2015

galumay said:
Mind you I am no fan of Little Bill's, I have known him personally for many years and worked with him when he was Secretary of the AWU. His only hope of becoming PM is simply that Abbott is so incredibly awful that he hands the job over on a platter because if Little Bill has to actually run a campaign the ALP are stuffed.

He will if the current government can gain control of the economic narrative but Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey continue to make very hard work of that.

IFocus · 22 March 2015

galumay said:
Mind you I am no fan of Little Bill's, I have known him personally for many years and worked with him when he was Secretary of the AWU. His only hope of becoming PM is simply that Abbott is so incredibly awful that he hands the job over on a platter because if Little Bill has to actually run a campaign the ALP are stuffed.

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Thanks for the insight I don't rate Shorten, see him as a opportunist bit like Abbott problem is these guys are surrounded by minders and become puppets on a string.

Remember Abbott before Cretlin showed up complete big mouth loser..............still is to a degree I guess

SirRumpole · 22 March 2015

Let's remember that the ALP rank and file wanted Albanese, but got Shorten instead because of the caucus/union vote.

Both of them are a bit weak imo, Chris Bowen is probably the best followed by Tony Burke, but it just depends whether they have the power brokers on their side.

noco · 22 March 2015

SirRumpole said:
Let's remember that the ALP rank and file wanted Albanese, but got Shorten instead because of the caucus/union vote.

Both of them are a bit weak imo, Chris Bowen is probably the best followed by Tony Burke, but it just depends whether they have the power brokers on their side.

But Chris Bowen is the shadow treasurer and he did not know what the taxation threshold was of $18,200...then he did not know what the taxation rate was after that threshold....he said it was 15%...wrong again...it is 19% and this bloke wants to be the treasurer.

Sorry to mention it, but Bowen is a staunch member of the Fabian society (communism).

sptrawler · 22 March 2015

SirRumpole said:
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Both of them are a bit weak imo, Chris Bowen is probably the best followed by Tony Burke, but it just depends whether they have the power brokers on their side.

I agree with you, they also kept pretty low key, when the knives were flying, unlike Shorten, Albanese and the sisterhood.

It still makes me cringe, thinking about Albanese, blubbering away on tv. Or Shorten on tv pledging his undying support, while looking for the knife he misplaced.

Tisme · 23 March 2015

noco said:
But Chris Bowen is the shadow treasurer and he did not know what the taxation threshold was of $18,200...then he did not know what the taxation rate was after that threshold....he said it was 15%...wrong again...it is 19% and this bloke wants to be the treasurer.

Sorry to mention it, but Bowen is a staunch member of the Fabian society (communism).

What's a threshold and more to the point who cares?

Every journo wants their own Willisee GST on Hewson Cake moment. I find it a bit weak to tell the truth and that is regardless of who the victim is.

SirRumpole · 23 March 2015

Tisme said:
What's a threshold and more to the point who cares?

Every journo wants their own Willisee GST on Hewson Cake moment. I find it a bit weak to tell the truth and that is regardless of who the victim is.

Not knowing the GST rate didn't do Palace Chuk any harm did it ?

noco · 23 March 2015

SirRumpole said:
Not knowing the GST rate didn't do Palace Chuk any harm did it ?

If it had been Abbott or Hockey the media would have pounded it for a week...but because it is Bowen and Palszczuk. they let the ball go through to the keeper.....Of course the ABC is not biased or is it?

Is Shorten PM material?