Is Shorten PM material?

[sptrawler]

Because Tony Abbott has displayed such competence? Bill Shorten is an arch oppurtunist and an A-grade cynic but I think he'd be fairly competent.

Don't you think his opposition to spending cuts, will come back to haunt him, when he has to enact them himself.

He seems to be snookering himself, the same way Abbott has done.

By disagreeing with the spending cuts, he is basically saying there won't be any on his watch.
It has all become a bit stupid really.

 

[banco]

Don't you think his opposition to spending cuts, will come back to haunt him, when he has to enact them himself.

He seems to be snookering himself, the same way Abbott has done.

By disagreeing with the spending cuts, he is basically saying there won't be any on his watch.
It has all become a bit stupid really.

I think you'll find most of his statements are carefully hedged.

 

[bellenuit]

You're spot on there moxjo, the media have carved up Abbott really well, it is amazing how much influence they have on public opinion.

True, sprawler, but then again Abbott can be his own worst enemy. I just heard a short comment from him on his current bad polling and he said something to the effect that although the polls are bad, many other leaders have recovered from abysmal polling and cited as examples Howard, Reagan and Thatcher.

For someone who is being portrayed as having no heart and having no regard for the less well off, comparing himself to Thatcher is IMO ill considered. I am not passing comment on Thatcher, just the perception that many have of Thatcher being the enemy of the poor.

 

[Tisme]

"Oppositions are not there to get legislation through. Oppositions are there to hold the government to account. And unless we are confident that a piece of legislation is beyond reasonable doubt in the national interest, it is our duty as the Opposition to vote it down.

An Opposition party’s main day-to-day task is always to mount an effective critique of the government ...

Now, I don’t want to spend the rest of my political life quoting Paul Keating, but remember what Paul Keating said in another context. He said, “If you don’t understand it, don’t vote for it, and if you do understand it, you’d never vote for it.”

Now, if we are absolutely confident that what the government is doing is beyond reasonable doubt in the national interest, sure, let’s go along with it. But if you’ve got the sort of doubts that we obviously have over this, well, we’re obliged to oppose it."

 

[moXJO]

Apparently, a majority of us think Bill Shorten would be a better prime minister of our country than Tony Abbott.

If you threw a goat into the mix the goat would probably poll higher then both of them put together.

 

[SirRumpole]

You're spot on there moxjo, the media have carved up Abbott really well, it is amazing how much influence they have on public opinion.

The reason Abbott is being carved up by the media is because he was dead meat to start with.

His lies and the lack of consultation with his own party over PPL has cooked him well and truly.

 

[sptrawler]

The reason Abbott is being carved up by the media is because he was dead meat to start with.

His lies and the lack of consultation with his own party over PPL has cooked him well and truly.

So on the basis of that, you have an ingrained hatred, hope it keeps you warm when needed.

 

[SirRumpole]

So on the basis of that, you have an ingrained hatred, hope it keeps you warm when needed.

Ingrained hate ? Your words not mine.

I don't think he's got what it takes to run the country. Unfortunately few others in politics now do.

Scott Morrison is a Nazi, Julie Bishop is hiding out of sight in Foreign Affairs, but hopefully she is learning something, the Coalition will not pick Turnbuil again. Maybe Andrew Robb is a long shot as leader but his depression problems could be a disadvantage.

Labor is experimenting with Shorten, despite being boring as he hasn't had many foot in mouth moments. Bowen, Albanese and Dreyfuss are waiting in the wings for his job if he trips.

The country is just staggering along at the moment. We are set for rough times no matter who is in the hot seat.

 

[Macquack]

You're spot on there moxjo, the media have carved up Abbott really well, it is amazing how much influence they have on public opinion.

Didn't hear you saying that about the media when Julia Gillard was being "burnt at the stake" by the media. "Carving up" Abbott is just going soft on him in comparison.

Having said that, I never buy into these **** 'n' bull polls.

 

[sptrawler]

Ingrained hate ? Your words not mine.

I don't think he's got what it takes to run the country. Unfortunately few others in politics now do. .

No because? he's feral.lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxK4m9_-0r8
Yes just watch it, he is aggressive and nasty, I can see where the media are coming from.

Scott Morrison is a Nazi, Julie Bishop is hiding out of sight in Foreign Affairs, but hopefully she is learning something, the Coalition will not pick Turnbuil again. Maybe Andrew Robb is a long shot as leader but his depression problems could be a disadvantage..

So know that you have got rid of nasty Abbott, it is on to Nazi Morrison and hiding Bishop.
Can't wait untill your wish comes true, but your probably an untouchable.lol

Labor is experimenting with Shorten, despite being boring as he hasn't had many foot in mouth moments. Bowen, Albanese and Dreyfuss are waiting in the wings for his job if he trips..

No Bill hasn't put his foot wrong, since knifing Rudd, knifing Gillard, then reinstating Rudd, then knifing him again.lol

The country is just staggering along at the moment. We are set for rough times no matter who is in the hot seat.

Bill will fix it, yeh right.:1zhelp:

 

[sptrawler]

Didn't hear you saying that about the media when Julia Gillard was being "burnt at the stake" by the media. "Carving up" Abbott is just going soft on him in comparison.

Having said that, I never buy into these **** 'n' bull polls.

Gillard wasn't burned by the media, show some substance to that statement, jeez even bloody Hillary Clinton jumped on board to protect her.
She did nothing, but sell out Australia to a minority party and use gender as a political sledgehammer, to cover up for political failings.IMO

She was very fortunate that she was Labor, if someone like Bishop tried it, she would have been hammered.IMO

We will see:
The Henry report came in during Gillards term in office, very little was implemented.
We will judge this government by the 'white paper'.
Sounds fair?

 

[Macquack]

She was very fortunate that she was Labor, if someone like Bishop tried it, she would have been hammered.IMO

What do you mean by "hammered", you must be joking?

 

[sptrawler]

What do you mean by "hammered", you must be joking?

Well how would it have gone? If Abbott had stood up and given a recital about how he wouldn't be spoken down to by this femanist?

Jeez I would have loved to have seen the World Press take on that.

Yet it was all smoothed over, when Gillards crew incited a riot against Abbott, that backfired.

How would the press have gone to town on that, if it could have been shown Abbotts inner circle, caused a mob to attack Gillard.

Where do you people set your moral compass? obviously every morning.

 

[moXJO]

What do you mean by "hammered", you must be joking?

Gillard was a whinger who used sexism, class warfare and dirty tactics to shame her critics and divide Australia. Abbott has copped it a lot worse from fairfax, opinion pieces and social media with his family being fair game as well. And all just to score points in the left vs right battle l.

 

[SirRumpole]

Gillard was a whinger who used sexism, class warfare and dirty tactics to shame her critics and divide Australia. Abbott has copped it a lot worse from fairfax, opinion pieces and social media with his family being fair game as well. And all just to score points in the left vs right battle l.

Gillard was repeatedly attacked for her "barrenness", and Tim Matheson was accused of being gay and other rubbish like that.

Just another example of the "left versus right" class warfare and personal abuse that Alan Jones, Larry Pickering and Ray Hadley engaged in.

She copped a lot worse than Abbott ever has and stood up to it pretty well IMHO.

 

[moXJO]

Gillard was repeatedly attacked for her "barrenness", and Tim Matheson was accused of being gay and other rubbish like that.

Just another example of the "left versus right" class warfare and personal abuse that Alan Jones, Larry Pickering and Ray Hadley engaged in.

She copped a lot worse than Abbott ever has and stood up to it pretty well IMHO.

Oh please you lightweight. How about

Facebook hate pages such as ‘Furiously Masturbating To Tony Abbott’s daughters’, or the more innocuous sounding, but equally disgusting page titled ‘Tony Abbott’s Daughters.’ Both are filled with the vilest of sexual descriptions, including incest and bestiality, depraved fantasies

lol not to mention death threats , tshirts that you can buy slagging Abbott, Fairfax media, how about some tweets

@MusicMelbMary: ‘What would Tony Abbott do if one of his daughter’s became a prostitute?’ @AndyDwyerSays: ‘Tony Abbott’s daughters now snorting lines off toilets at Lib HQ #ausvotes’. @MichelleBlogna: ‘Can’t wait for a leaked sex tape of the @TonyAbbottMHR daughters #ElectionProject’. @mffyrg ‘Shower @TonyAbbottMHR’s repulsive daughters with rotten fruit and veg at every opportunity. The *****s of @LiberalAus.’ @vila900 ‘Tony Abbot’s [sic] daughters look like men. Ugly. #TonyAbbott’. @JcliffordSmith: ‘Tony Abbott’s daughters look like trannies 2nite #ausvotes’. @bernietb: ‘Tony Abbott groping his daughters live on national TV’. @dailydoseofjess: ‘Tony Abbott’s daughters glad they can finally stop playfully stroking their dad’s chest.’ @JazzyAds: ‘Tony Abbott lusts after his daughters. Margie looks like a man, no wonder perv Tony can’t keep his hands off them. #tonyabbott #pervtony’.

and they are the tame ones.
Gillard was a whinger.
Is Abbott having a cry with a "poor me , the world hates me"?
No he takes it in his stride the same that Howard did.

 

[SirRumpole]

Oh please you lightweight. How about


lol not to mention death threats , tshirts that you can buy slagging Abbott, Fairfax media, how about some tweets and they are the tame ones.
Gillard was a whinger.
Is Abbott having a cry with a "poor me , the world hates me"?
No he takes it in his stride the same that Howard did.

Social media is rife with idiots on all sides.

You can't compare a few dills talking on obscure sites with what the mainstream media Murdoch, Alan Jones etc did to Gillard.

Gillard had a go at Jones and Murdoch because they had a go at her. I bet the social media traffic against Gillard was just as bad as against Abbott. She didn't whinge about that.

 

[moXJO]

Social media is rife with idiots on all sides.

You can't compare a few dills talking on obscure sites with what the mainstream media Murdoch, Alan Jones etc did to Gillard.

Gillard had a go at Jones and Murdoch because they had a go at her. I bet the social media traffic against Gillard was just as bad as against Abbott. She didn't whinge about that.

Mike carlton and a whole host of other fairfax writers foster hate via blogging. The left are fantastic at spreading the message through social media.
Gillard used the last tactic of a scoundrel for cheap political points. Then tried to blame everyone else for her own failings.
Criminal actions were used against abbotts daughter to obtain information which was then passed on to lefty media. Howard was getting bullets in the mail with his name on it. They all cop it.
Gillard used it for sympathy which didn't pan out.

 

[dutchie]

Opinion: Australia wins my Darwin Award for dumbest nation on Earth

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-nation-on-earth/story-fnihsr9v-1227147788128

"And right now, Australia looks like being the 2014 National Darwin Award winner. Why? Because we are among the most collectively stupid people on the planet. Just look at the statistics – or rather, the opinion polls.

Apparently, a majority of us think Bill Shorten would be a better prime minister of our country than Tony Abbott.

Let me run that past you again – slowly this time, really slowly, because it’s obvious there are some pretty slow people out there: a … majority … (in other words, enough voters to win an election) … think … (i.e. have apparently used what passes for their brains and come to this conclusion) … that Bill Shorten … (a bloke who is so empty-headed he once said: “I don’t know what Julia Gillard said, but I agree with every word of it”) … would be a better prime minister … (in other words, be making every single decision every single day for three years that will determine the prosperity and financial success of every one of us and all our children) … than Tony Abbott (a bloke who, regardless of whether you like him or not, has as his sole focus a single-minded determination to fix the economic mess that this country is in).

Come again? Are we for real?

The best Darwin Awards always have a neat slice of bitter irony to them; like the guy who tries to impress his fiancee by climbing on to her balcony – on the 101st floor.

The irony with our National Darwin winner – Australia – is that the very bloke Australians want as their next prime minister was part of the team that got us into our financial mess in the first place.

Worse, Shorten is either so dumb or so devious that he is now opposing the very same $5 billion worth of cuts to spending that he supported when he was in government."

 

[overhang]

Gillard wasn't burned by the media, show some substance to that statement, jeez even bloody Hillary Clinton jumped on board to protect her.
She did nothing, but sell out Australia to a minority party and use gender as a political sledgehammer, to cover up for political failings.IMO

She was very fortunate that she was Labor, if someone like Bishop tried it, she would have been hammered.IMO

I think you need to remove an eye patch there. Gillard and Rudd were crucified in the Murdoch press the same way Abbott is now being grilled by particularly Fairfax. When the press have a taste for blood like they did with Gillard then they're like a dog with a bone and that's the stage they seem to have hit with Abbott.
Prime example the day after the election date was announced the Daily Telegraph ran the headline 'Finally you now have the chance to KICK THIS MOB OUT".