Is Shorten PM material?

Tisme · 9 December 2014

moXJO said:
Criminal actions were used against abbotts daughter to obtain information which was then passed on to lefty media.

I don't quite understand what you are trying to say in that sentence. I recall some enraged girls were so incensed by the injustice of a second rate student getting a $60k achiever scholarship they went on their own crusade, without any leftist or rightest ideology.

Of course if you agree that scholarships should be based on what religion you are or who your dad is then it was a terrible thing for the girls to do. Tony himself comes from a privileged North Shore background, was mentored by Catholic extremist Santamaria and then his silver spooned politically connected pastor Father Emmet Costello got him a Rhodes Scholarship where Tony did rather poorly on the meritocracy scale.

The first I saw of Abbott's daughter mess was in the Murdoch press and they didn't shrink from publishing the ferment:

e.g. http://www.news.com.au/national/cla...titute-of-design/story-fncynjr2-1226926934506

I was just mulling over things and realised we could be seeing a political version of Trading Places in play ...... just replace the stock exchange in the movie with some powerful religious organisation.

moXJO · 9 December 2014

Tisme said:
I don't quite understand what you are trying to say in that sentence. I recall some enraged girls were so incensed by the injustice of a second rate student getting a $60k achiever scholarship they went on their own crusade, without any leftist or rightest ideology.

You are lying about murdoch papers printing that article. I have been made aware from this forum that they never print articles against libs.

Of course if you agree that scholarships should be based on what religion you are or who your dad is then it was a terrible thing for the girls to do. Tony himself comes from a privileged North Shore background, was mentored by Catholic extremist Santamaria and then his silver spooned politically connected pastor Father Emmet Costello got him a Rhodes Scholarship where Tony did rather poorly on the meritocracy scale.

The first I saw of Abbott's daughter mess was in the Murdoch press and they didn't shrink from publishing the ferment:

e.g. http://www.news.com.au/national/cla...titute-of-design/story-fncynjr2-1226926934506

I was just mulling over things and realised we could be seeing a political version of Trading Places in play ...... just replace the stock exchange in the movie with some powerful religious organisation.

I dont agree with the scholarship. But from memory the information was obtained illegally and was to discredit abbott more (not like he needed the help) from left aligned. Im sure I can drag the details out later(I hate copy & pasting from the phone).

Tisme · 9 December 2014

moXJO said:
I dont agree with the scholarship. But from memory the information was obtained illegally and was to discredit abbott more (not like he needed the help) from left aligned. Im sure I can drag the details out later(I hate copy & pasting from the phone).

That would be good.

I know I would be rather upset knowing part of my school fees were being syphoned off to build a first, one and only scholarship for the kid of a politician who can reward that school with taxpayer monies through various assistance packages later on.... not that honourable members of parliament would ever reward businesses for their patronage.

moXJO · 9 December 2014

Tisme said:
That would be good.

I know I would be rather upset knowing part of my school fees were being syphoned off to build a first, one and only scholarship for the kid of a politician who can reward that school with taxpayer monies through various assistance packages later on.... not that honourable members of parliament would ever reward businesses for their patronage.

Yes it stinks of a rort and you would think the school would know this would come out considering the hatred towards Abbott.
It was first posted to a center left paper new matilda. I will get the rest later

overhang · 9 December 2014

moXJO said:
I dont agree with the scholarship. But from memory the information was obtained illegally and was to discredit abbott more (not like he needed the help) from left aligned. Im sure I can drag the details out later(I hate copy & pasting from the phone).

Yes it's illegal but that's more a reflection that our laws don't offer enough protection to whistle blowers imo. I think most reasonable people would agree its in the public best interests to publish this information. Here we have the PM's daughter being awarded a scholarship that was created just for her that required no application and gave no other candidates the option to apply and the head of this college also happens to be a NSW liberal party donor and friend of Tony Abbotts. I wouldn't give a hoot but this college receives tax payer funding and at the same time the Abbott government is pushing through legislation that will increase the cost of higher education all while his daughter receives free education.

SirRumpole · 9 December 2014

overhang said:
Yes it's illegal but that's more a reflection that our laws don't offer enough protection to whistle blowers imo. I think most reasonable people would agree its in the public best interests to publish this information. Here we have the PM's daughter being awarded a scholarship that was created just for her that required no application and gave no other candidates the option to apply and the head of this college also happens to be a NSW liberal party donor and friend of Tony Abbotts. I wouldn't give a hoot but this college receives tax payer funding and at the same time the Abbott government is pushing through legislation that will increase the cost of higher education all while his daughter receives free education.

+1.

moXJO · 9 December 2014

overhang said:
Yes it's illegal but that's more a reflection that our laws don't offer enough protection to whistle blowers imo. I think most reasonable people would agree its in the public best interests to publish this information. Here we have the PM's daughter being awarded a scholarship that was created just for her that required no application and gave no other candidates the option to apply and the head of this college also happens to be a NSW liberal party donor and friend of Tony Abbotts. I wouldn't give a hoot but this college receives tax payer funding and at the same time the Abbott government is pushing through legislation that will increase the cost of higher education all while his daughter receives free education.

Im not arguing that it wasnt a sham but was it illegalI said illegal actions were taken to get abbotts daughter. My statement was correct. I also inferred it was a lefty plot, something about climate change, Bill shorten kicks puppies and Labor sucks. I think I was correct on all points I made.
I think we are going too deep and to off topic off of one sentence.

Yeah ask the unions and labor about protecting whistleblowers ala kathy J. She copped as much as a sitting pm

Tisme · 9 December 2014

Yeah I think that while moXJO appears to have a bias against some Labor aspects there isn't an automatic corollary of implied loyalty to LNP/Abbott misadventures.

Common sense would dictate that the circumstances of France's scholarship are smellier than the fish in Denmark and Abbott will have to wear that with the electorate and have the weight of knowing his daughter will carry the stigma of a faux qualification regardless of her grades....nepotism carries a lifetime of baggage

Calliope · 9 December 2014

Tisme said:
Common sense would dictate that the circumstances of France's scholarship are smellier than the fish in Denmark

I see what you mean...was it a traineeship at the Folies BergÃ¨re.

But what's this got to do with Bill Shorten? Did he set it up?

If he did he is indeed PM material... Labor variety, that is.

Tisme · 9 December 2014

Calliope said:
I see what you mean...was it a traineeship at the Folies BergÃ¨re.

But what's this got to do with Bill Shorten? Did he set it up?

If he did he is indeed PM material... Labor variety, that is.

fRICKEN SPELLING AND GrammA nAZIS

I thought I had successfully hijacked the thread due to lack of substance and entertainment value?

Calliope · 9 December 2014

Tisme said:
fRICKEN SPELLING AND GrammA nAZIS

I guess that crudity is directed at me in an attempt to be provocative. However I don't fall for baited traps anymore.

Tisme · 9 December 2014

Calliope said:
I guess that crudity is directed at me in an attempt to be provocative. However I don't fall for baited traps anymore.

You just did

Calliope · 9 December 2014

Tisme said:
You just did

When I queried you as to why you go off topic on this Shorten thread you replied;

I thought I had successfully hijacked the thread due to lack of substance and entertainment value?]

I notice you do this on a lot of threads without providing substance or entertainment. How do you manage to bend the rules?

Tisme · 10 December 2014

Calliope said:
When I queried you as to why you go off topic on this Shorten thread you replied;

I notice you do this on a lot of threads without providing substance or entertainment. How do you manage to bend the rules?

Others may have a self actualised sense of humour and perhaps aren't prone to signalling out members for concatenated insults or maybe they are just happy up there on their high horses and ignore the noise from the cheap seats?

You obviously like trolling my posts for the enjoyable misery it gives you and misery loves company, so I'm glad to be the cogent agent in cementing that union between the two of you.

basilio · 10 December 2014

Indeed the satirical, sartorial, scatological bent of this thread is weaving a dazzling display of indisputably dizzy ditziness.

But perhaps that is a reflection of our current political system and the verbal dexterity (diarrhea ? ) of some posters who have way too much ti(s)me on their hands.

Tisme · 10 December 2014

basilio said:
Indeed the satirical, sartorial, scatological bent of this thread is weaving a dazzling display of indisputably dizzy ditziness.

But perhaps that is a reflection of our current political system and the verbal dexterity (diarrhea ? ) of some posters who have way too much ti(s)me on their hands.

Thankyou for being gentle on the other fellow basilio. It show a level of years beyond your maturity.

Calliope · 10 December 2014

Tisme said:
Others may have a self actualised sense of humour and perhaps aren't prone to signalling out members for concatenated insults or maybe they are just happy up there on their high horses and ignore the noise from the cheap seats?

You obviously like trolling my posts for the enjoyable misery it gives you and misery loves company, so I'm glad to be the cogent agent in cementing that union between the two of you.

:topic...still.

trainspotter · 10 December 2014

Tisme said:
Thankyou for being gentle on the other fellow basilio. It show a level of years beyond your maturity.

For a lawyer that "did" law as well as 3 technical trades and an engineer to boot you sure do have a lot of time to wax lyrical on topics that you have scant knowledge of.

Bill Shorten this morning on ABC News is nothing short of a union hack designed to do nothing more than cripple the economy. He stated that going to see a doctor should be FREE to the proletariat. “Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher

Self-evidently, Shorten's practice of giving as little ground to the government as possible while keeping his own powder dry is learned behaviour. It worked brilliantly for Abbott who, now in government, is having it done back to him. And again it is proving devastatingly effective. Just look at the government's paralysis in the Senate.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...lly-deserve-to-become-pm-20141209-122qyu.html

And finally my general thought is that Bill Shorten would make a great post turtle.

An old rancher is talking about politics with a young man from the city. He compares a politician to a "post turtle". The young man doesn't understand and asks him what a post turtle is.

The old man says, "When you're driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle. You know he didn't get up there by himself. He doesn't belong there; he can't get anything done while he's up there; and you just want to help the poor, dumb thing down."

Tisme · 10 December 2014

Calliope you have to stop posting quotes that don't relate to the topic.

Lets try to keep the thread on course i.e. Bill Shorten Prime ministerial material.

All we have to do now is wait a few months/years for him to do something that points to the thread context.

Tisme · 10 December 2014

trainspotter said:
For a lawyer that "did" law as well as 3 technical trades and an engineer to boot you sure do have a lot of time to wax lyrical on topics that you have scant knowledge of.

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Do you mind keeping on topic rather than churlish character assassination please. None of us should have to apologise for being well educated and suffer ridicule from jealous fools.

Insofar as scant knowledge, 'tisme who let the cat out of the bag about Credlin, Abbott revolt, etc ., no one else here....what have you brought to the table except disconnected right wing propaganda?

If you want to troll me with inflammatory nonsense, take it to the new thread and fight it out with someone who cares what you think. Otherwise try giving polite conversation a go as a first step up the hierarchy of needs (yes I also have degrees in Marketing and Accounting that you can use as a peasants weapon).

Is Shorten PM material?