Is Shorten PM material?

noco · 26 November 2014

I tuned into ABC 2 this afternoon and who should be giving a speech to the National Press Club but dear old Bill Shorten, now known as barnacle Bill.

I thought about switching to another channel because I can't stand his droning dramatic voice for a start....But no, in all fairness, I decided to listen to his rhetoric which had no substance whatsoever......His BS consisted of how great the Labor Party is, the plan, the vision and the insight he had for Australia (no details I might add), how bad the Liberal Party is, how bad Tony Abbott is in blaming the Green/Labor left wing socialist for the bad state of the economy and after 14 months in office should have now rectified the situation.

I continued to listen in the hope that he just may have told his audience something positive of how he would fix the budget and pay back the Green/Labor debt which we pay $1billion a week in interest....but to my disappointment nothing came out of that poisoned mouth of his.

Then it came for question time from various journalists.......As each one asked Bill a pertinent question, he immediately diverted it to Abbott bashing.......his parrot blah blah about broken promises by Abbott was monotonous to say the least......could never answer the journos with a truthful answer.

And this bloke wants to be Prime Minister!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tisme · 26 November 2014

Unfortunately for us, any Labor leader doesn't have to do anything while the govt works its way out of the pickle it's in.

sptrawler · 26 November 2014

Tisme said:
Unfortunately for us, any Labor leader doesn't have to do anything while the govt works its way out of the pickle it's in.

Very true, the spending cycle will return, because the last thing people want, is the spending to stop.

SirRumpole · 27 November 2014

I think Bill Shorten is one of the boring politicians I've ever listened to.

But at least it's better than the stumbling umms and ahhs of the PM.

noco · 27 November 2014

SirRumpole said:
I think Bill Shorten is one of the boring politicians I've ever listened to.

But at least it's better than the stumbling umms and ahhs of the PM.

Have you ever noticed how Tanya speaks...I would say she is worse than Abbott.

Abbott has improved a lot from the days you talk about....you are living in the past.

IFocus · 27 November 2014

Don't know who wrote Shortens speech yesterday but apart from some flat spots it smashed Abbott.

Pity Shorten is no orator but he did dance through the questions with ease with a smile.......I think he smells blood and he wont have to do a thing Abbott and his policy's / petty politics is doing all the heavy lifting for Shorten.

shouldaindex · 8 December 2014

His rhetoric is the old "broken promises".

I think one lady knows of one of his.

SirRumpole · 8 December 2014

Bill Shorten blitzes Tony Abbott in latest Australian political poll

THE Prime Minister continues to take a battering in the polls, with Labor leader Bill Shorten well ahead of Tony Abbott as the nation’s preferred leader, according to an Ipsos poll.

In a survey conducted just four weeks ago the two leaders were level pegging on 41 per cent each, but now Mr Shorten is out-performing the Prime Minister by 47 to 39 per cent.

On a two-party preferred basis Ipsos shows Labor leading the Coalition 53 to 47 per cent - slightly behind the latest Galaxy poll, which put the Opposition ahead of the Government 55 to 45 per cent.

The Government has been battling lately with its image, following the stalling of important Budget measures in the Senate and the Coalition defeat in Victoria after just one term.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bil...n-political-poll/story-fncynjr2-1227147909165

Obviously a lot more people think Bill Shorten is PM material

moXJO · 8 December 2014

SirRumpole said:
Obviously a lot more people think Bill Shorten is PM material

I know right.
A guy that allegedly does some bad stuff is still polling better than Abbott.
In fact a guy that has the charisma of a shoe thats stepped in a dog turd is polling better than Abbott.
In fact a guy that leads a party that couldn't organize flies on $hit without doubling the deficit is leading.... well you get the idea.

SirRumpole · 8 December 2014

moXJO said:
I know right.
A guy that allegedly does some bad stuff is still polling better than Abbott.
In fact a guy that has the charisma of a shoe thats stepped in a dog turd is polling better than Abbott.
In fact a guy that leads a party that couldn't organize flies on $hit without doubling the deficit is leading.... well you get the idea.

Of course, it's not about Shorten , it's about Abbott. He's cr@p, and even the Libs and their supporters here are recognising that.

moXJO · 8 December 2014

SirRumpole said:
even the Libs and their supporters here are recognising that.

No he was never really supported that much in the first place. But in saying that the libs are pushing through in the areas I was hoping they would. Furthering trade with Asia (I voted for Rudd first time round after his little BS speech about forging closer ties), cutting some of the stupid small business regulation in fact a lot of the real boring stuff that hasn't been touched. I'm over the grandstanding policy that achieves nothing but waste. Just get things running smoothly and open up new markets.There is plenty more I like but lots I don't. Abbott and his advisers failed in too many areas
Our social media driven nation seems to lap up the US style of politics now though.Seems government has to be a circus to keep short attention spans. No wonder Rudd jumped from policy to policy.

sptrawler · 8 December 2014

moXJO said:
No he was never really supported that much in the first place. But in saying that the libs are pushing through in the areas I was hoping they would. Furthering trade with Asia (I voted for Rudd first time round after his little BS speech about forging closer ties), cutting some of the stupid small business regulation in fact a lot of the real boring stuff that hasn't been touched. I'm over the grandstanding policy that achieves nothing but waste. Just get things running smoothly and open up new markets.There is plenty more I like but lots I don't. Abbott and his advisers failed in too many areas
Our social media driven nation seems to lap up the US style of politics now though.Seems government has to be a circus to keep short attention spans. No wonder Rudd jumped from policy to policy.

You're spot on there moxjo, the media have carved up Abbott really well, it is amazing how much influence they have on public opinion.

Tisme · 8 December 2014

You know that look bosses get when they know they are going to be locked out of the premises by the owners, because the business is tanking?

Like it or not the guys in charge are stagnating our economy while they continue thinking they are in opposition. The sooner they realise they are merely a succession management that takes responsibility for those past, the sooner they might focus on matters Australia, instead of pathetic divisive clichÃ©s that insult at least half the population, slaps like "Labor's Mess".

News for the Liberals :- you got less votes than the Labor party last election
News for the Nats :- you got half the votes the greens got and worse you were out performed by the PUP

you are the same coalition of two parties you derided Labor for, but sought to emulate behind closed doors at the same time.

When you and your newspaper masters speak like you speak for the vast majority you don't, your combined primary vote was 40.9%, that's 60% of the voters wanting something else.

A year on and we are witnessing all talk no action, more slanging at governing members past, failed attempts to restart the mining investment by lowering our revenue take and allowing more profits to flow to London, big infrastructure programs that we can apparently afford when we have no money (we just gave heaps to London in reduced taxation), insulting world leaders as if we mattered in their circles of trust, etc ..

and now we have Andrew Bolt putting the skewers into Abbott and making his pick for the new leader.... ... I mean really if there was ever a quintessential Dutch reputation in play.

If it was my business I would pull them all in and give them the rub on what we are supposed to be aiming for, instead of acting like the grubbers in middle management doing their usual back biting for the top jobs ... they are already in the top jobs.

drsmith · 8 December 2014

What about Bill ?

Isn't this thread about Bill ?

sptrawler · 8 December 2014

drsmith said:
What about Bill ?

Isn't this thread about Bill ?

Well it can't really be about Bill doc, Bill doesn't stand for anything, other than re election. Somewhat like Kev.

As Bill says, what crisis?
Vote for me and everything will stay the same.lol

Tisme · 8 December 2014

sptrawler said:
Well it can't really be about Bill doc, Bill doesn't stand for anything, other than re election. Somewhat like Kev.

As Bill says, what crisis?
Vote for me and everything will stay the same.lol

That's right !

My post was to demonstrate how Billy needs do nothing because the LNP are doing nothing too (in the eyes of the public).

overhang · 8 December 2014

The polls don't indicate that Shorten is PM material but just that Abbott isn't.

Tisme · 8 December 2014

My daughter told me the other day how well Bill talked about himself and Abbott the other week. I seem to remember how poor the speech was ...... just goes to show how different the message is to different audiences.

I think she was channelling her facebook community of 30 somethings .... go Bill!

The little bomb she dropped was there is apparently some groundswell about approaching Paul Keating to see if he wants a few years giving some drive to Australians.

sptrawler · 8 December 2014

Well not everyone thinks Bill is the 'man' for the job.
This from the Courier Mail.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-nation-on-earth/story-fnihsr9v-1227147788128

An extract from the article, probably best Bill supports change channel.

And right now, Australia looks like being the 2014 National Darwin Award winner. Why? Because we are among the most collectively stupid people on the planet. Just look at the statistics – or rather, the opinion polls.

Apparently, a majority of us think Bill Shorten would be a better prime minister of our country than Tony Abbott.

banco · 8 December 2014

sptrawler said:
Well not everyone thinks Bill is the 'man' for the job.
This from the Courier Mail.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-nation-on-earth/story-fnihsr9v-1227147788128

An extract from the article, probably best Bill supports change channel.

And right now, Australia looks like being the 2014 National Darwin Award winner. Why? Because we are among the most collectively stupid people on the planet. Just look at the statistics – or rather, the opinion polls.

Apparently, a majority of us think Bill Shorten would be a better prime minister of our country than Tony Abbott.

Because Tony Abbott has displayed such competence? Bill Shorten is an arch oppurtunist and an A-grade cynic but I think he'd be fairly competent.

Is Shorten PM material?