Is Garrett a Hypocrite?

Krusty the Klown · 16 July 2009

One thing to keep in mind here is that back in the early 80's when Garrett was against uranium mining, no-one knew anything about climate change or global warming from fossil fuels.

Back then nuclear power was the global boogie man, not coal.

It could be that Garrett thinks uranium fueled power stations are the lesser of two evils - its easier to control uranium in a reactor than CO2 in the atmosphere.

If the mining and extraction process is toxic to the environment, then that suggests hypocrisy.

Maybe he is a trojan horse in the Labor party. He will bide his time until he gains leadership, then the Prime Ministership, and then go totally green and do all the things he said back in the 80's.

I don't like his chances.

Timmy · 16 July 2009

Krusty the Klown said:
One thing to keep in mind here is that back in the early 80's when Garrett was against uranium mining, no-one knew anything about climate change or global warming from fossil fuels.

You are right, in the 80s the concerns with nuclear power related to how to safely dispose of the waste and also with accidents like Three-Mile Island and then Chernobyl.

Of course now, Krusty, we also know about the 3-eyed fish in Springfield rivers and lakes too. Mmmmmmm, fish.

Krusty the Klown · 16 July 2009

Timmy said:
Of course now, Krusty, we also know about the 3-eyed fish in Springfield rivers and lakes too. Mmmmmmm, fish.

Now available at Krustyburger!!!!

Timmy · 16 July 2009

LOL

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Krustyburger

trainspotter · 16 July 2009

Hmmmmm .... I have a vague recollection of the "Polar Ice Caps" are melting and the "Hole in the Ozone layer" in the early 1980's which turned into GLOBAL WARMING? There already is FOUR urnanium mines in SA. Peter Garrett has allowed for the FIFTH to be opened. It has nothing to do with nuclear power. Have we not learned from Jabiluka, Cobar 2 Prospect, Ranger minesites in the Northern Territory? The Cobar 2 Prospect site had a pond overflow that contaminated about 100 acres of waterlands killing wildlife and essentially making the area barren for the next 1000 years or so. GOSH !!

Nuclear power generation in itself today is extremely safe. Approx 70% of France light bulbs are run by this method. Some Eastern Bloc country whose name escapes me is about 55% nuclear and the U.S. is a lowly 20% or less.

We do not have the ability to refine Yellowcake in Australia (to my knowledge and please correct me if I am wrong) It is sent overseas to reach critical mass before being able to create nuclear fission and used as fuel rods.

What sticks in my craw is for someone like a Peter Garrett who was so ANTI urnanium mining has now changed his song and dance routine to allow this kind of destruction to occur on his authority. Do you not see the irony in it?

I am not for coal fire powered electricity generation by the way. Do we not have MASSIVE reserves of LNG? Gorgon Gas and the North West Shelf of Australia is literally leaking of cheap, combustible, low polluting NATURAL GAS. Where do we send it? Ohhhhhh thats right ..... to China so they can run their furnaces to melt our iron ore. DOPE.

Timmy · 16 July 2009

trainspotter said:
Hmmmmm .... I have a vague recollection of the "Polar Ice Caps" are melting and the "Hole in the Ozone layer" in the early 1980's which turned into GLOBAL WARMING?

Yes, sounds familiar too - I was relying on memory too. Except for the 3-eyed fish, seen documentary evidence of that (admittedly animated).

noco · 16 July 2009

explod said:
I guess some of the criticism is coming from younger ones wet behind the ears. As you grow older you see a bigger picture and realise you may have been wrong in your developing period. As I ahve said, Garret has never done it for me but to criticise someone who has the gumption to change may be just as hypocritical.

Well said.

Ha Explod you are not getting much support on this thread.

I think my picture is bigger than yours. Do you have great grandchildren?

If you haven't then you must still be a boy in my eyes!

trainspotter · 16 July 2009

Pretty soon we won't need light bulbs (fancy flouro ones at that) cause we will ALL be glowing in the dark. Bring it on !

Mr J · 16 July 2009

Wisdom is almost as lacking in the aged as it is in the young.

trainspotter · 16 July 2009

Maybe Peter Garrett and Sting (ex Police frontman) can get together and re record Roxanne? This way they can change the words to "Rooooxaaanne ..... you don't have to put up a red light"

trainspotter · 16 July 2009

Mr J said:
Wisdom is almost as lacking in the aged as it is in the young.

It is a matter of serious regret that young people are commonly so little disposed to listen to the advice of the aged. This prejudice seems to have its origin in an apprehension that austerity and rigor naturally belong to advanced years; and that the loss of all susceptibility of pleasure from those scenes and objects which afford delight to the young, produces something of an ill-natured or envious feeling towards them. Now it cannot be denied that some of the aged are chargeable with the fault of being too rigid in exacting from youth the same steady gravity which is fitting in those who have lived long, and have had much experience in the world: not remembering that the constitutional temperament of these two periods of human life is very different.

My Momma always used to tell me "Learn from your mistakes"

travwj · 16 July 2009

I don't believe that Peter Garrett is a hypocrite. This is not a decission he makes on his own, of course he has advisors to give him direction in making this decission.
His views on nuclear power and uranium may not have changed over the year, and he may well be towing the party line. But like it was said earlier, if he was with the greens he may not of made any difference, at least with labour he may well make a difference over time.

Trav

Julia · 16 July 2009

Krusty the Klown said:
Maybe he is a trojan horse in the Labor party. He will bide his time until he gains leadership, then the Prime Ministership, and then go totally green and do all the things he said back in the 80's.

Oh, God, no. Someone tell me it just couldn't happen!
You just have to be joking, Krusty. For one thing, he's simply not bright enough. For another (and I usually avoid being personal) he's just horrible to look at.

trainspotter said:
It is a matter of serious regret that young people are commonly so little disposed to listen to the advice of the aged. This prejudice seems to have its origin in an apprehension that austerity and rigor naturally belong to advanced years; and that the loss of all susceptibility of pleasure from those scenes and objects which afford delight to the young, produces something of an ill-natured or envious feeling towards them. Now it cannot be denied that some of the aged are chargeable with the fault of being too rigid in exacting from youth the same steady gravity which is fitting in those who have lived long, and have had much experience in the world: not remembering that the constitutional temperament of these two periods of human life is very different.

My Momma always used to tell me "Learn from your mistakes"

That's one beautiful piece of prose, Trainspotter. Your own work?

starwars_guy456 · 16 July 2009

Julia said:
New direction the Greens will take?
Garrett isn't with the Greens.
Perhaps I'm wholly misunderstanding you here?

I can't stand Garrett. He must have known when he got sucked into running for Labor that he'd have to become part of the party machine. Had his principles been well founded, he'd never have compromised like that.

Oops, I was the one who misunderstood. Sorry about that!

trainspotter · 16 July 2009

Sorry Julia ... I cannot lay claim to such perfect verbosity. It is written in 1814 (poet Lauret escapse me) that people who read Jane Austins novels will perceive my written word as a mere twitter.

So be it !!!

Garpal Gumnut · 16 July 2009

trainspotter said:
It is a matter of serious regret that young people are commonly so little disposed to listen to the advice of the aged. This prejudice seems to have its origin in an apprehension that austerity and rigor naturally belong to advanced years; and that the loss of all susceptibility of pleasure from those scenes and objects which afford delight to the young, produces something of an ill-natured or envious feeling towards them. Now it cannot be denied that some of the aged are chargeable with the fault of being too rigid in exacting from youth the same steady gravity which is fitting in those who have lived long, and have had much experience in the world: not remembering that the constitutional temperament of these two periods of human life is very different.

My Momma always used to tell me "Learn from your mistakes"

Julia said:
That's one beautiful piece of prose, Trainspotter. Your own work?

It has to be some lines from Preparation for Death by Archibald Alexander. Apt Trainspotter, and apt response Julia.

Garrett reminds me of a description of Cuban capitalists fleeing the Revolution back in the 50's,

"Golden pasted , like Crisco."

And like used Midnight Oil he will be poured down the fetid drain of history.

gg

trainspotter · 16 July 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
It has to be some lines from Preparation for Death by Archibald Alexander. Apt Trainspotter, and apt response Julia.

Garrett reminds me of a description of Cuban capitalists fleeing the Revolution back in the 50's,

"Golden pasted , like Crisco."

And like used Midnight Oil he will be poured down the fetid drain of history.

gg

A truer word well spoken GG ! Che Guevera salutes you and his band of Merry Men.

The difference is that one will live on as Revolutionist on a T. Shirt ... The other will go down in history as a perpetrator of crimes to humanity.

Mr J · 16 July 2009

trainspotter said:
It is a matter of serious regret that young people are commonly so little disposed to listen to the advice of the aged. This prejudice seems to have its origin in an apprehension that austerity and rigor naturally belong to advanced years; and that the loss of all susceptibility of pleasure from those scenes and objects which afford delight to the young, produces something of an ill-natured or envious feeling towards them. Now it cannot be denied that some of the aged are chargeable with the fault of being too rigid in exacting from youth the same steady gravity which is fitting in those who have lived long, and have had much experience in the world: not remembering that the constitutional temperament of these two periods of human life is very different.

My Momma always used to tell me "Learn from your mistakes"

Those that understand human nature will know that if we are to learn, it is far more likely to be from our own mistakes than from the mistakes of others. Let the young make their own mistakes, it's how they learn. It's how most of us learn, even the wise oldies.

Rather than say the aged are wiser, I would say they are generally less foolish.

trainspotter · 16 July 2009

I'm gonna use the term "wise oldies" whenever I refer to my big sister, or my aunty Jack. She was full of wise cracks.

trainspotter · 17 July 2009

People, wasting away in paradise
Going backward, once in a while
Moving ahead, falling behind
What do you believe, what do you believe
What do you believe is true
Nothing they say makes a difference this way
Nothing they say will do

Take all the trouble that you can afford
At least you wont have time to be bored

Oh the power and the passion, oh the temper of the time
Oh the power and the passion
Sometimes youve got to take the hardest line

Sunburnt faces around, with skin so brown
Smiling zinc cream and crowds, sundays the beach never a cloud
Breathing eucalypt, pushing panel vans
Stuff and munch junk food
Laughing at the truth, cos gough was tough til he hit the rough
Uncle sam and john were quite enough

Too much of sunshine too much of sky
Its enough to make you want to cry

Oh the power...

I see buildings, clothing the sky, in paradise
Sydney, nights are warm
Daytime telly, blue rinse dawn
Dads so bad he lives in the pub, its a underarms and football clubs
Flat chat, pine gap, in every home a big mac
And no one goes outback, thats that
You take what you get and get what you please
Its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees

Well, well, well, Peter Garrett. A lot has changed since 1982 hasn't it !

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