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Is Garrett a Hypocrite?

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You see him as a hypocrite, I see him as someone willing to negotiate to get the best for the country. There's no sense being entrenched blindly in one's beliefs if it means that the country is stuck permanently in one way of thinking....

Hopefully this signals a new direction that the Greens will take.



-Ed
 
Perhaps a quote from Golda Meyheir(spelling) " If you're not a socialist by the time you're twenty you have no heart, if you're not a capitalist by the time you're thrity you have no brain" . Not exactly on topic but perhaps some relevance.:2twocents
 
starwars_guy456 said:
You see him as a hypocrite, I see him as someone willing to negotiate to get the best for the country. There's no sense being entrenched blindly in one's beliefs if it means that the country is stuck permanently in one way of thinking....

Hopefully this signals a new direction that the Greens will take.
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New direction the Greens will take?
Garrett isn't with the Greens.
Perhaps I'm wholly misunderstanding you here?

I can't stand Garrett. He must have known when he got sucked into running for Labor that he'd have to become part of the party machine. Had his principles been well founded, he'd never have compromised like that.
 
I am missing something here? Peter Garrett has backflipped his principles and allowed a FIFTH uranium mine to open in South Australia. We are not talking about a Nuclear Reactor to generate electricity. We are talking about mining YELLOWCAKE or URANIUM ORE to be shipped over to a foreign country to be enriched. Only then can it be used in a Nuclear Reactor to create electricity. The uranium enriched fuel rods are used to create a fission reaction which generates heat. The rods are submerged in water which creates steam. Steam drives a turbine. The turbine is connected to a generator. Viola ... electricity. Now the science experiment is over.

To somehow equate this to a Green principle is absurd. The Acid that is leached into the soil during the process of cleansing yellowcake is highly toxic and is known to cause cancer on a critical scale. There was a pond spill in Arnhem land with dramatic consequences on the habitat. Destroyed for years to come. Right on !
 
Calliope said:
What this means is he was ready to prostitute his principles for the Party. He knew that you can't be a Labor politician and have principles when he joined them. His principles were pretty shonky in the first place.
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And of course this is because the liberals/Nationals don't actually have any principles. :)

Julia said:
He must have known when he got sucked into running for Labor that he'd have to become part of the party machine. Had his principles been well founded, he'd never have compromised like that.
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Com on Julia...u cant be a politician in a major party and still have principles, believe
in something...successful politicians compromise.
 
What ever he does now he's rat-**** , credibility once lost can never be regained , what a goose :p:

P.S. notice that the word sh*t has been edited , WTF is wrong with free expression of a common word ?
 
starwars_guy456 said:
.... I see him as someone willing to negotiate to get the best for the country....
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You see thats just it.

In the past he never was "willing to negotiate to get the best for the country"

And considering in was co-founder of the Nuclear Disarmament Party certainly seems hypocritical to me.
 
You would expect he would have to toe the line on fringe issues to get his way on his core beliefs.

If this is his stance on something he has sung and protested about for 25 years what won't he do for his masters?

"When the generals talk you better listen to them..."

cheers
Surly
 
explod said:
Talk about blind bias, little Johnny did not let anyone speak out, or if they did they were his bullets of bull...t. At least the Laobor Party stick to an overall party line, well worked out beforehand.
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The Labor Party hacks are all brain washed. They even use the same rhetoric over and over again.

"We have a plan ; we have a strategy ; we have to get the balance right ; its all about jobs,jobs,jobs." They have the same lines. It gets soooo boring.

What's John Howard got to do with the question of "Is Garrett a Hypocrite?"

Garrett even sang songs about no uranium mining when he was in the "sump oil group". He opposed uranium mining over and over again. He would have to be the greatest HYPOCRITE EVER TO ENTER PARLIMENT.
 
Who Dares Wins said:
You see thats just it.

In the past he never was "willing to negotiate to get the best for the country"

And considering in was co-founder of the Nuclear Disarmament Party certainly seems hypocritical to me.
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What has nuclear disarmament got to do with anything? The uranium produced has failsafes put on it to ensure that it couldn't end up as a weapon.

As for the mining method etc. - whether it's uranium or something else there is always an inherent risk. Should he support stopping ALL mining because of songs he wrote 30 years ago?

In my opinion the real hypocrites (a lot of these people are calling him a hypocrite) are the anti-nuclear people that turn a blind eye to coal-power pollution. Is it better to have waste we can at least contain rather than releasing large amounts to the atmosphere?
 
Garrett even sang songs about no uranium mining when he was in the "sump oil group". He opposed uranium mining over and over again. He would have to be the greatest HYPOCRITE EVER TO ENTER PARLIMENT.
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I guess some of the criticism is coming from younger ones wet behind the ears. As you grow older you see a bigger picture and realise you may have been wrong in your developing period. As I ahve said, Garret has never done it for me but to criticise someone who has the gumption to change may be just as hypocritical.

In my opinion the real hypocrites (a lot of these people are calling him a hypocrite) are the anti-nuclear people that turn a blind eye to coal-power pollution. Is it better to have waste we can at least contain rather than releasing large amounts to the atmosphere?
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Well said.
 
Getting back to the title of this thread - yes he is a hypocrite, that's a fact not open to argument.

He's changed his mantra for convenience, anyone can see that.

I agree with nuclear power as long as the towel heads aren't running it, but Garrett is a barefaced hypocrite and therefore a worthy member of the Labor Party.
 
Hypocrite?

I guess it IS possible for a GOOSE to be a hypocrite as well. ;)

"Goose Garrett"

Has a nice ring to it, don't you think.....??

What a pity the Oil ran dry....

:D
 
Julia said:
Really? What are these failsafes?
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I thought I read this yesterday but can't find it at the moment. Apologies if I was wrong.

Of course Garrett is a hypocrite - no arguments there. But so are a hell of a lot of people that are calling him one (not neccessarily the people on this forum).
 
Are you a hypocrite if your priorities change over time? His young self may see a betrayal by his older self, but time and experience can change people. This is especially true for idealistic types who get into politics wanting to change the world. They realise they have to play ball to get anywhere, and end up comprosing so much that they lose themselves. Or, they realise that their idealistic goals were not practical. Power corrupts, or in the case of politics, politics corrupts.
 
Mr J said:
Are you a hypocrite if your priorities change over time? His young self may see a betrayal by his older self, but time and experience can change people. This is especially true for idealistic types who get into politics wanting to change the world. They realise they have to play ball to get anywhere, and end up comprosing so much that they lose themselves. Or, they realise that their idealistic goals were not practical. Power corrupts, or in the case of politics, politics corrupts.
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Yep, on the money. When at mamagement school we were taught to be adaptive abd reasonable to acheive our objectives. A hugh part of this was to listen to other arguments, but above all BE ABLE TO CHANGE

As said, I have no truck with Garret, but he demonstrates common sense.
 

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