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Yeah howard looks fine to me nothing wrong with his eyebrows
Absolutely agreed. I'm not a supporter of Howard (though I'm unconvinced that Labor would do any better) but his eyebrows, height, weight, hair colour / style etc is completely irrelevant in any discussion over his political views.
Howard's eyes are no more an issue relevant to the public than Kim Beazley being overweight or Bob Brown being gay.
I second this comment. No need whatever to make comments about anyone's appearance. It has no relevance and you should be able to support your argument without such remarks.
Um, it makes the world of difference. This war was supposed to be about Weapons of mass destruction and the War on Terror. Nothing else, although only fools believed that!
War is war and the reasons are never clear for beginning one.
This one appears to have been about revenge for 9/11, a dislike of Hussein, security of the oil supply and a need for the western nations to make a statement of the superiority of enlightened thought/life.
I don't personally have any problems with those reasons.
Politicians are unable in the present media/political climate to articulate what they feel, so Dubya or Johnny's stated reasons are immaterial.
Garpal
They had a docile country in their pocket in iraq for many years till Sadam started thinking for himself. When he wasn't needed anymore, America terminated him..That's overly simplified, but that's what happened.wouldn't it have been a great benefit to America and her allies to have a country 'in her pocket' in the form of a docile, democratic Iraq?
It refers to much more than the physical appearnce of these bushy brows and refers to the fact that his vision has been impared by these woppers and he fails to see the real world around him.
Johnny has lost touch with average Australians and Costello was never in touch with average Australians. May they be banished to the history books as a long gone era.
Ah, OK - Yes, I thought 1 trillion for the world was a bit paltry!:
Well, we can't look at the war from a purely economical standpoint, there is the moral side. Yes, I do agree that the war could have been handled better; but, we can say that about everything - that's the thing about hindsight.
Well, if the country is one day liberated, & stable - would you not agree, that would be a positive outcome?
Prospector;
2 Scenarios here - The first, the government actually believed that was so; based on inaccurate intelligence. You said so yourself - only fools would believe that, we are talking about politicians here, aren't we?
The second, they flat out lied. I find that a little too conspiracy theory for my tastes.
Many nations are still involved in this war (at least, I believe!), which means - many still believe it's a just cause.
Moral side of war???????????????????????????????????
US once again under estimated the enemy.
Iraq will never become liberated and stable in the next five to ten years.
So we will keep footing the bill until then. Thanks John!
OIL and revenge for DADDY!
I don't think it can that simplified considering all of the forces at play. Let's see it for what it is without childish comments. (see red)
I think, Saddam if left in power may have been better for the region. Iran or Iraq who would have been the bigger evil? That could have kept the region under lock and key for a long time.
But then again why not be in charge of the key?
Important point. In 50 years humanity will wonder WTF we were thinking.If we weren't so busy wasting the stuff then we wouldn't need to worry about what's supposedly underground in Iraq.
Same with gas in Iran.
I don't think it can that simplified considering all of the forces at play. Let's see it for what it is without childish comments. (see red)
I think, Saddam if left in power may have been better for the region. Iran or Iraq who would have been the bigger evil? That could have kept the region under lock and key for a long time.
But then again why not be in charge of the key?
You're kidding me right? So we show them we're smarter because we start wars? Is that why I see Professors duking it out in fatal street fights?This one appears to have been about revenge for 9/11, a dislike of Hussein, security of the oil supply and a need for the western nations to make a statement of the superiority of enlightened thought/life.
I don't personally have any problems with those reasons.
Garpal
Given his age, I don't think Howard has the ticker to be leader. If he isn't careful, he might well be remembered as Prime Minister Gordon Bennett.Yes, I agree too. Lets focus on someone's policies/views and not on their physical appearance.
This is an adult forum, lets not resort to puerile schoolyard tactics.
Not really. They already have the Saudis in their pocket and that appears to be one of the rallying points for fundamentalist muslim trevorists. So... no... there was never going to be a winning situation from all of this.How likely is it, though, that the basic reason - never mind the excuses - for the war was to ensure a controlling base in the region? Had it not all gone so horribly wrong, wouldn't it have been a great benefit to America and her allies to have a country 'in her pocket' in the form of a docile, democratic Iraq?
Stan 101
Sudan "is" about oil - has been for many years now.
Only the US can't get a foothold as China is the dominant foreign national.
Sudan is Africa's 3rd largest oil producer (after Nigeria and Angola), but could be significantly stronger were it not for the internal conflict around Dafur.
ok ok ok enough already.
I apologise for picking on Johnnys eye brows, I seriously didnt even consider that it would be an issue for people, but obviously it is off limits.
I put it down to cultural differences as such talk amoungst my peers wouldnt even batter an eye... lid.
If you think im crass you should see the generation after me, whoa your all in for a shock.
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