Iran Is not Iraq

Some more background ....

Iran is a nation formed in atrocities of a war. Whilst its religion may be different and its beliefs as such, next time you read the media and Houthi Rebels in Yemen are mentioned they are Iran is claimed to be their sponsor. I would note 16 of 18 terrorists on 9/11 were Saudi. It was funded out of Saudi Arabia. Taliban and Al-quada are SUNNI Muslin and funded out of ? Saudi Arabia and other Sunni rich gulf states. NOTHING to do with Iran who is Shia and in fact does not speak Arabic are NOT Arabic and … their Muslim Faith is Shia , Not Sunni …. and in fact they speak Persian not Arabic and are PERSIANS.

Now not wishing to get bogged down in this, ISIS which is Sunni and similar if not identical to Taliban and Al-quada just killed 11 Shia .... NOT Sunni muslin's in Iraq, did the media say follow it with Saudi or Kuwait or Bahrain funded or UAE funded terrorist group ?

Of course not. And sadly we are as Australians much like Hungary and its support for the Nazi's in WW2.

Some of the following are pathetic ... Planet America is old this piece and its now 2 years on, total blockade in Yemen and 300,000 to die this year as all sea and air blocked along with roads.

The world of warfare changed on the 13th Sept 2019. USA backs these monarchs who have backed every war and terrorist group for 40 years.

The change is that its now crystal clear that a $15,000 drone can destroy 15 billion worth of oil producing assets. Iran and its 10,000 or so missiles and pone cruise missile which clearly was NOT used ... holds about 100 bomblets which are say 6kg each and a single cruise missile holds a payload of 600-700 kg basically all the damage from last week via ONE bloody missile.To even suggest Iran launched the attack, with all the warships in the gulf, the USA air bases, the AWAC radar planes all missed it ?

Golly.

Did you know Mormons wear special underwear ?
Bolton who stood beside Bush as they invaded Iraq in 2003, the new National Security advisor was there, he is Mormon, spent a year in Apartheid central Orange free state clearing Africans the langue and he .... well is some expert on security ? A lawyer ? Robert Obrien with even quanter religious views than the evngalist Bolton or Pompeo or Vice President Pence.


Wow ...

anyhow ... some background ...

First not a good Planet America thing on Yemen which misses the point ... as they TEND to on most things.


Happy birthday ? To Genocide ? Idiots.

Next is a lovely look at Turnip man, he wears no underpants, President Trump ..


Veto TWICE and proudly announce ARM SALES .... are more important.

What changed Sept 13, 2019 is the fact that billions of sales of arms cannot and WILL NOT STOP a drone costing $15,000- .

Welcome to the world you created. The weak, the target of genocides can now fight back.

This is without Iran not even lifting its finger and to suggest they sent cruise missiles past 15 warships 3 AWACS planes and 10 or so military bases is utter drivel. Let alone that one single cruise missile would do more damage than 10 drones did !!

Iran tells as many lies. I wouldn't trust either sides stories.
With the original nuke deal Iran poured cement into the original calandria’s tubes in the guise of making good on the deal. They didn't mention they had backup tubes though.

moXJO said:

I wouldn't trust either sides stories.

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I think the monster in this case is clear ....



Not even a whoops .....

well done Bush Senior !!

290 in one go .... No apology ...

Are we still upset the Russians seem to have shot down a plane ?

Its funny the amount of wars by proxy that go on across the globe. A lot of it comes back to Russia/US conflicts and to a lesser degree China.

Proxy ..

Allegations ,,, if it were say China who produces a lot of explosives fault that they are used ? And they are supporting terrorists, so be it. China makes a lot of the medications we take, I note the claim of the USA of late about Opioid addiction is something to do with China is a similar blurring of the lines. That between the years 2000 and 2010 LEGAL prescriptions of opioids in the USA rose 3 fold ... lies at the heart of that issue. Its much cheaper to prescribe a pill, that masks any pain, than an operation in the USA which costs 3-4 times the rest of the world. One costs $1,000- a year the other $100,000- ...

The following is now 2 years out of date ... all media out of YEMEN now blocked. All doctors have left after 101 hospitals were bombed deliberately by the USA / Saudi forces. Markets, buses ... you name it ... they bomb it.

Proxy or outright extermination ? I go with the latter and I note the media and even other nations falling into line with the line it was Irans fault the recent attacks. Yep they crossed 15 warships 12 military bases and not one saw the missiles or drones to get there via Iran.

Sad ... and it will be what it will be.



Genocide and sadly likely they push Iran too far and we will learn what a real Cruise missile with 100 bomblets does.

You clearly have some sort of hangup with Iran. Several pages of posts without anyone else responding, all extremely biased and often quite irrational. To justify calling this issue one-sided and the USA the "monster" and attempting to paint Iran as the good guy you go all the way back to the 1980s when the USA made an accident, and even suggest it wasn't an accident - if you honestly think the USA deliberately shot down a civilian passenger plane you are insane.

Yes, the 290 deaths on the plane were tragic, you might say the USA was negligent, but clearly it was an accident not deliberate. Saying the plane had a civilian squawk is hardly evidence that the USA did it deliberately; it's entirely possible for a non civilian plane to put out a civilian squawk as a decoy.

If you want to put those 290 deaths into context, at that time in the 1980s I was growing up among a community of Iranian refugees who had fled Iran because the Iranian government had tortured their family members to death for the crime of not wanting to be a part of the religion the government said they must belong to. Even at that time when the plane was shot down I personally knew Iranians who between them had more than 290 family members murdered, sometimes by assassination style, sometimes by drawn out torture, by the Iranian government. That wasn't the extent of the problem, that's just what I was personally connected to by merely one degree of separation. The entire problem was staggering, and dwarfs the 290 people killed in that plane, as sad as that was. If the USA owes compensation to Iran for those 290 Iranian deaths, it would be a monumental task trying to calculate what the Iranian government owes for slaughtering so many of its own citizens. To say this issue is one-sided is to be delusional in the extreme. Reading back through the last few pages clearly demonstrates that you're not entirely rational or level-headed. I'm not sure why you have such an unconditional pro Iran and anti American stance, but clearly you have it. It's astounding that you can look at a country like Iran and try to paint its government in a positive light. This is not at all to say that the USA is perfect, they are guilty of many things too, but I can tell you that whether I was Iranian, American, Australian or anyone else, I'd much rather be living under the American government than the Iranian, I'd much rather be living in America than Iran, and if the Iranian government had as much power as the American government has, well, many of us wouldn't be alive at all and the world would be quite the hideous place.

Many people can be excused for being ignorant on this issue, but you have chosen to make this thread, mostly as a monologue, clearly this is something you think a lot about, so ignorance is not an excuse for you.

Of course its not one sided.

Your thoughts and criticism appreciated. I merely am presenting the MISSING side, not to be pro Iranian.
Just balanced. I think we get enough of the USA corporate media views on the issue. Its not being anti American to sadly point out the holes and past BS such as say Invade Iraq for WMD's or ignore say Saudi had 16 of 18 terrorists from 9/11 and they are the USA's mate now ?

One set of rules in relation to Genocide or shooting down of planes or allowing use of WMD's does not exist.

Iran and their beliefs, their choices and both positive and negative ones, are like most nations.

The only point I wish really to convey is Iran, cried out for help in the 1980's as it was being invaded.
It cried out as its people were gassed and nerve agents were used against them.
It was ignored.

As such it has had to rely and expect no help from anywhere. No justice nor fair handed dealings.

If USA wishes to continue down this path with Iran it is well prepared.
It has to be. History has taught it that.

Saudi and Bahrain and Kuwait and UAE time and time again have tried to squash Iran, much like the USA. Pointing out the Saudi's paid 20 billion to Iraq to invade Iran in 1980 is hardly pro USA.

What will happen will happen.
Being presented with non mainstream factual evidence DOES not seem to suit some people, or their beliefs.
Such is life.

Sorry to have upset you and your opinion, again, Sadijii.

Iran is the most dangerous Non Nuclear nation I suspect in the world. Simple point. Pretending its all their fault as is being presented almost 100% is WHY I bother.

Someone with the ability and NOW confirmed likely response even to a limited military response is something I raised many weeks ago NOW ... well known to people who study Iran ,,, not of course sadly I suspect to Trump and his gang what the outcome would be.

Time will tell.

kahuna1 said:

Of course its not one sided.

Your thoughts and criticism appreciated. I merely am presenting the MISSING side, not to be pro Iranian.
Just balanced. I think we get enough of the USA corporate media views on the issue. Its not being anti American to sadly point out the holes and past BS such as say Invade Iraq for WMD's or ignore say Saudi had 16 of 18 terrorists from 9/11 and they are the USA's mate now ?

One set of rules in relation to Genocide or shooting down of planes or allowing use of WMD's does not exist.

Iran and their beliefs, their choices and both positive and negative ones, are like most nations.

The only point I wish really to convey is Iran, cried out for help in the 1980's as it was being invaded.
It cried out as its people were gassed and nerve agents were used against them.
It was ignored.

As such it has had to rely and expect no help from anywhere. No justice nor fair handed dealings.

If USA wishes to continue down this path with Iran it is well prepared.
It has to be. History has taught it that.

Saudi and Bahrain and Kuwait and UAE time and time again have tried to squash Iran, much like the USA. Pointing out the Saudi's paid 20 billion to Iraq to invade Iran in 1980 is hardly pro USA.

What will happen will happen.
Being presented with non mainstream factual evidence DOES not seem to suit some people, or their beliefs.
Such is life.

Sorry to have upset you and your opinion, again, Sadijii.

Iran is the most dangerous Non Nuclear nation I suspect in the world. Simple point. Pretending its all their fault as is being presented almost 100% is WHY I bother.

Someone with the ability and NOW confirmed likely response even to a limited military response is something I raised many weeks ago NOW ... well known to people who study Iran ,,, not of course sadly I suspect to Trump and his gang what the outcome would be.

Time will tell.

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You're pretty naive to believe the official story of 9/11, but even so, the nationality of the individuals involved don't and shouldn't reflect on the nation they came from. That would be the epitome of racism and bigotry. If you and I personally carry out an act of terrorism against, say, Japan, should Japan suddenly take a disliking to the nation of Australia? Of course not, just to us personally and to any organisation which may have been influencing us to do such a thing.

Your perception of things is odd if you think Iran's choices and beliefs are much like other countries. I'm not listening to the insane US media, I've been interested in Iran since I was growing up in a Persian community as a child. At the time you complain about Iran not receiving assistance the government was murdering its own innocent people and having school children spend literal hours chanting repetitive phrases such as 'death to America'. Are you surprised such a country has enemies and didn't have an overflow of assistance when they requested it? If you are completely evil you tend to make enemies and not earn support. Sure, there is plenty of bias and propaganda involved, but Iran didn't earn its big title in the Axis of Evil by overcooking the spaghetti or forgetting to bring in the washing.

Iran is not quite the pushover Iraq was, but you seem to think they are more powerful than they are. They are in a desperate situation, not a position of overwhelming strength, and as you yourself point out, they have many neighbouring countries which would happily see them fall and take an active role in bringing that outcome to fruition.

If you think you have upset me you have a strangely inflated sense of self, and if you think you can 'upset an opinion' your concept of reality is questionable (although after reading a few of your posts this is quite clear).

You are banging on and on without really seeming to have much direction. Dozens of length posts which basically amount to nothing more than making excuses for Iran and claiming Iran is far more powerful than it is. You act like it has a military to rival the USA's rather than being a country in a desperate situation. Sure, it has a more powerful military than some other pushovers the US has dealt with but you seem incapable of simply stating your estimate of Iran's power and leaving it at that, you repeat yourself with these dozens of lengthy posts even when no one else says a thing for long periods of time. Where does this hangup come from?

Your take on the attack is also biased. Yemen claimed it carried out the attacks with 10 cheap backyard job drones. 19 targets were hit with absolute precision accuracy, coming in from the wrong direction for the Yemeni claims to make sense. None of the Yemeni claims make sense. Unlike Yemen, Iran has the ability to carry out the strike with the degree of precision attained, it also has the motive, and it's hardly a trustworthy nation. Not to say the USA is a perfect pillar of integrity, but Iran carrying out this attack does make more sense, regardless of who you believe. It's strange that at every step of the way you are seeing things with more bias towards Iran than can make sense. For what reason do you see things in that way? Obviously the USA and Iran with both paint themselves in the best possible light, obviously both have done questionable things, but why do you side so heavily with Iran? Even if a loyal Iranian citizen was as biased as you I'd think it was silly (though not surprising). I understand that most western people are biased towards the US on this one, people should be more balanced, but why are you so irrationally on Iran's side? You're acting like if the USA goes to war with Iran, Iran has the ability to wipe the USA out. The US does have the world's largest military by a very long way. Iran has a few friends, but few if any would join them in an open military conflict scenario. Unless Russia or China decided to lend their military in support of Iran (surely even you can't think that's likely), it's difficult to imagine a hypothetical scenario in which a strike by the USA against Iran is all that much more than a one-sided strike.

Blah blah blah ...

seriously delusional your rant.

One simple reason I bother, and started this thread was that to place a limpet mine on a moving ship is IMPOSSIBLE ...

The only time the ships stop in the gulf region was inside Harbors on the Saudi side behind USA backed warships.

To swallow an accusation the mines were placed by Iran ... whilst possible ... was not credible.

To suggest Cruise Missiles FIRED from Iran were just used .... again not even remotely possible. Yep they went over 15 USA warships, 5 US bases, 12 Saudi ones and past 4 AWAC planes and none sighted them.

The rest, history, political stuff .... that your actually talking about someone openly supporting Iran ?
Idiotic ... Iran knows it has few friends and has prepared to be yet again ignored ...

Much like 300,000 dead via USA/ Saudi Arabia and UK with Australian support in Yemen in 2019. NO ONE CARES .... unless your in Yemen or of the same faith as Iran is !!

Sdajii said:

it's difficult to imagine a hypothetical scenario in which a strike by the USA against Iran is all that much more than a one-sided strike.

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Uh huh ...

Well this paper from 2012 ... PRIOR to Iran going into rapid production of various things, Cruise Missiles and Drones and 12 new mini subs ...

IT suggests your opinion, views and even in 2012 were bordering upon idiotic.

Some points from 2012 paper … reinforced by recent comments and actions.



https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/irans-response-to-a-us-attack



If the US were to attack, Iran will not hesitate to resort to asymmetrical warfare. Asymmetric warfare has the capability to cause a major impact on casualties, economies, and the psyches of the adversary.

Iran understands they are not capable of squaring off against the US in a conventional sense.



I note the fact that Iran has 12 NEW small subs to wreak havoc post 2012.



The submarine called ‘Fateh’ (Victor) weighs 600 tons and is equipped with various types of advanced defense systems and weapons, including several kinds of torpedoes and sea mines.”


It is for these reasons I believe the hypotheses which states: “Iran’s reaction to an attack by the US would be to use all means at its disposal including their large arsenal of missiles, asymmetric warfare, regular forces, and economic/political disruption methods that would cause large amounts of devastation, casualties, economic disruption, and fear; in the hopes that the enemy would lose the support of its citizens and allies, thus forcing them to end the confrontation; Iran would use all means at its disposal to accomplish this goal rather quickly as they would try to avoid an extended conflict” is credible and has a likely chance of occurring if the United States were to commence an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.



Not anything different than I have raised on this thread.



This is relevant in the extent that if it were to occur, a single attack upon Iran's soil, the response would be much more and the situation would rapidly I believe get out of hand. So too the views of the Israelis and French who are and have kindly openly shared their views.

When a market and this is a stock site, when a market ignores totally risk and a big risk seemingly right now, it is better to be prepared and informed. The likely potential outcome of these experts are correct is severe disruption to the Middle East and likely destruction of oil producing assets in most of these nations along with ports, tanker and so on. Ongoing and very long drawn out conflict where Iran is a nation that is unlikely ever to be conquered in reality much like Afghanistan but three times WORSE. Worse due to terrain, worse because they are well prepared and WORSE because they already have within a generation suffered massive unjust actions.


Simple fact is, being neither involved, or with skin in the game, if a generation was virtually wiped out and some are still alive, the prospect of it occurring again will provide millions of devoted totally dedicated soldiers. Even anyone stupid or vacillating in Iran about the USA and its actions, will unite in the face of yet another invasion or attack.

The Iraq invasion of Iran ended a mere 30 years ago. There are 100,000 survivors of the gas attacks and Nerve Agent attacks still being treated in Iran in 2019. Add to this the death-toll of the UK/USA supported invasion hit around 1 million IRANIANS ....

Gee ... good move MR Trump.

kahuna1 said:

Blah blah blah ...

seriously delusional your rant.

One simple reason I bother, and started this thread was that to place a limpet mine on a moving ship is IMPOSSIBLE ...

The only time the ships stop in the gulf region was inside Harbors on the Saudi side behind USA backed warships.

To swallow an accusation the mines were placed by Iran ... whilst possible ... was not credible.

To suggest Cruise Missiles FIRED from Iran were just used .... again not even remotely possible. Yep they went over 15 USA warships, 5 US bases, 12 Saudi ones and past 4 AWAC planes and none sighted them.

The rest, history, political stuff .... that your actually talking about someone openly supporting Iran ?
Idiotic ... Iran knows it has few friends and has prepared to be yet again ignored ...

Much like 300,000 dead via USA/ Saudi Arabia and UK with Australian support in Yemen in 2019. NO ONE CARES .... unless your in Yemen or of the same faith as Iran is !!



Uh huh ...

Well this paper from 2012 ... PRIOR to Iran going into rapid production of various things, Cruise Missiles and Drones and 12 new mini subs ...

IT suggests your opinion, views and even in 2012 were bordering upon idiotic.

Some points from 2012 paper … reinforced by recent comments and actions.



https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/irans-response-to-a-us-attack



If the US were to attack, Iran will not hesitate to resort to asymmetrical warfare. Asymmetric warfare has the capability to cause a major impact on casualties, economies, and the psyches of the adversary.

Iran understands they are not capable of squaring off against the US in a conventional sense.



I note the fact that Iran has 12 NEW small subs to wreak havoc post 2012.



The submarine called ‘Fateh’ (Victor) weighs 600 tons and is equipped with various types of advanced defense systems and weapons, including several kinds of torpedoes and sea mines.”


It is for these reasons I believe the hypotheses which states: “Iran’s reaction to an attack by the US would be to use all means at its disposal including their large arsenal of missiles, asymmetric warfare, regular forces, and economic/political disruption methods that would cause large amounts of devastation, casualties, economic disruption, and fear; in the hopes that the enemy would lose the support of its citizens and allies, thus forcing them to end the confrontation; Iran would use all means at its disposal to accomplish this goal rather quickly as they would try to avoid an extended conflict” is credible and has a likely chance of occurring if the United States were to commence an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.



Not anything different than I have raised on this thread.



This is relevant in the extent that if it were to occur, a single attack upon Iran's soil, the response would be much more and the situation would rapidly I believe get out of hand. So too the views of the Israelis and French who are and have kindly openly shared their views.

When a market and this is a stock site, when a market ignores totally risk and a big risk seemingly right now, it is better to be prepared and informed. The likely potential outcome of these experts are correct is severe disruption to the Middle East and likely destruction of oil producing assets in most of these nations along with ports, tanker and so on. Ongoing and very long drawn out conflict where Iran is a nation that is unlikely ever to be conquered in reality much like Afghanistan but three times WORSE. Worse due to terrain, worse because they are well prepared and WORSE because they already have within a generation suffered massive unjust actions.


Simple fact is, being neither involved, or with skin in the game, if a generation was virtually wiped out and some are still alive, the prospect of it occurring again will provide millions of devoted totally dedicated soldiers. Even anyone stupid or vacillating in Iran about the USA and its actions, will unite in the face of yet another invasion or attack.

The Iraq invasion of Iran ended a mere 30 years ago. There are 100,000 survivors of the gas attacks and Nerve Agent attacks still being treated in Iran in 2019. Add to this the death-toll of the UK/USA supported invasion hit around 1 million IRANIANS ....

Gee ... good move MR Trump.

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Quite comical that you would simultaneously say that Iran is almighty and all powerful, literally capable of taking on the USA's military (clearly the world's largest and most powerful) at least to some meaningful extent, but also say that while they are incapable of getting missiles from their own military forces over military bases etc, impoverished Yemeni rebels making backyard drones are able to do it.

Also delusional is continually pushing this 'Iran are the good guys' BS. The USA aren't perfect obviously, but if you honestly think that a government which tortures innocent civilians of its own population to death on a huge scale over a large time period is in any way comparable to the USA, you have no business calling anyone else delusional.

I can point out where you are being delusional. You merely say 'you're being delusional' with no justification or reference. You say that then continue on yet another emotional tantrum. It's all you do in this thread (and is typical of your posts generally). It's comical how you feel the need to use bold, italic, underlines, capitalisation/shouting etc in various combinations. These don't make your nonsense valid, they just indicate (along with your clearly emotional and irrational wording) that you're a bit loopy and have no grasp on things and an inability to have a coherent conversation.

Are you even capable of articulating your point? Do you even have one? You've put up countless pages of tantrum, but it basically just says 'Poor Iran, don't hurt Iran, Iran isn't bad, but also, Iran is mega powerful and you wouldn't want to dare mess with them'. Have you been watching events in Iran over the last 2-3 years? The mainstream media won't touch it, but the population has been so displeased with its own government that they were out protesting in the streets, knowing they would likely be slaughtered, and indeed many of them were, but the government is so bad the population was so desperate that many of them did it anyway, and it wasn't until so many were killed that they had to give up. This wasn't in the 1970s, this wasn't even 5-10 years ago. And of course, plenty has gone on all along. Your dismissal of how evil Iran is says you are either naive or evil or stupid. You are presumably uninformed, perhaps misinformed, but it's a mystery as to where your motive comes from to defend and talk up Iran as you do.

True, Iran can likely shut down the strait of Hormuz which would really cause problems for the energy industry, but the US military can completely destroy Iran with relatively minimal collateral damage to itself. Iran is no stranger to terrorist attacks and yes it could carry those out, but in a direct military conflict you're kidding yourself if you think Iran's military is all that great or could hit the actual US military. It has a few trading partners, mostly with checkered relationships, but little in the way of military allies.

Sdajii said:

you're kidding yourself if you think Iran's military is all that great or could hit the actual US military

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Funny I thought ISIS was no longer due to IRAN support to defeat them.

I do believe Iran shot down a few USA drones including the 400 million dollar one that they were not meant to be able to see .....

USA bases surround Iran and their location is known and a person with a $10k drone with a grenade could hit them if they chose to .... Iran has been mass producing the stealth Cruise missile for now 7 years.

Compared to say Pakistan whilst a nuclear power, their military is a joke, harbored Isama Bin laden and is an Alquada hideout. Pakistan is Sunni Muslin and USA conducts regular drone missions daily over it . Basically may as well wear a target for them.

India on the military side, despite massive size and also a nuclear power, on an individual basis and overall is if anything WORSE than Pakistan. Hard to be worse, but the sad fact is both those nations political system involves killings and bombings and eventually even Ghandi was killed.

I note Imran Khan from Pakistan nearly missed a bomb attack.

Iran ... for its faults has NOTHING to do with the nutjob Terrorists and the attacks it gets are via imported Sunni muslims attacking.

Whilst hypothetical, so far I have provided the opinions of at least 10 experts as to Iran's capabilities.

They seem to think it will be a major issue, hence my mentioning it.
India cant even keep its politicians alive nor can Pakistan due to intense internal political/religious hatred.

I would note having been to both of these nations, the awful state of the majority of the population and stench is overwhelming, which contrasts totally with pictures and videos of Iran. It appears clean more modern and LESS extreme filth and poverty let lone religious based terrorism and hate on display.

Only time will tell. It was a joke not so long ago how USA almost had Pakistan in a civil war and split asunder as it backed one faction.

Iran ... saying no thanks to drones flying overhead ..... whoops we just killed 30 farmers and wounded 40 ... wedding party .... yippee .... kill 50 to get one ?

SPEAKS VOLUMES unless your deaf or stupid or prefer wearing a target on your back.

This is still going ...

A good background on Yemen.



In Yemen ISIS operates .... Sunni backed.
Al-quada operates .... Saudi and Kuwait and UAE funded .... Sunni Muslim ...

Saudi and UAE ... operate with the view to exterminate Shi Muslim Houthi ...
USA UK and even Australia support this genocide.

Yes Houthi rebels and extremists fight back.

Some more stuff going on with USA punishing China firms for importing Iran oil .

This China USA trade stuff is expanding to the USA dictating where and what any nation can do.

France cant even tax USA tax evasion ... supposedly. I note Google coughed up 1 billion to settle its stolen tax .

kahuna1 said:

Funny I thought ISIS was no longer due to IRAN support to defeat them.

I do believe Iran shot down a few USA drones including the 400 million dollar one that they were not meant to be able to see .....

USA bases surround Iran and their location is known and a person with a $10k drone with a grenade could hit them if they chose to .... Iran has been mass producing the stealth Cruise missile for now 7 years.

Compared to say Pakistan whilst a nuclear power, their military is a joke, harbored Isama Bin laden and is an Alquada hideout. Pakistan is Sunni Muslin and USA conducts regular drone missions daily over it . Basically may as well wear a target for them.

India on the military side, despite massive size and also a nuclear power, on an individual basis and overall is if anything WORSE than Pakistan. Hard to be worse, but the sad fact is both those nations political system involves killings and bombings and eventually even Ghandi was killed.

I note Imran Khan from Pakistan nearly missed a bomb attack.

Iran ... for its faults has NOTHING to do with the nutjob Terrorists and the attacks it gets are via imported Sunni muslims attacking.

Whilst hypothetical, so far I have provided the opinions of at least 10 experts as to Iran's capabilities.

They seem to think it will be a major issue, hence my mentioning it.
India cant even keep its politicians alive nor can Pakistan due to intense internal political/religious hatred.

I would note having been to both of these nations, the awful state of the majority of the population and stench is overwhelming, which contrasts totally with pictures and videos of Iran. It appears clean more modern and LESS extreme filth and poverty let lone religious based terrorism and hate on display.

Only time will tell. It was a joke not so long ago how USA almost had Pakistan in a civil war and split asunder as it backed one faction.

Iran ... saying no thanks to drones flying overhead ..... whoops we just killed 30 farmers and wounded 40 ... wedding party .... yippee .... kill 50 to get one ?

SPEAKS VOLUMES unless your deaf or stupid or prefer wearing a target on your back.

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Remarkable that you would respond to with posts with things like 'blah blah blah' and accusations of delusion when you make posts like this which are predominantly irrelevant blah blah blah (what point were you even trying to make while rambling about India's military incompetence?) and cherry pick things like Iran having shot down an unmanned drone as an attempt to suggest Iran has great military power capable of rivaling the USA's, while also doubling down on your insanity in saying that while it's impossible for the Iranian military you say is oh so might with incredible stealth missile technology which can easily get past the USA's bases... it is impossible for Iran to have possibly have carried out the attack undetected so it was clearly Yemen with their low tech low cost drones with grenades strapped on to them (their claim was that 10 such devices were used, despite 19 targets being hit with absolute pin point precision). You have no business calling anyone else delusional or accusing anyone else of rambling. This whole thread of yours is completely ridiculous.

Yadda yadda yadda ....

Blah blah blah.

This is 7 days PRIOR to the Yemen Drone attack from inside Yemen ...

One can see they actually have MADE ... drones.

Blockade ... AIR ... SEA and via road is a word you seem to NOT understand ... nothing gets in or out. That is why 17 million are STARVING in YEMEN and 300,000 will die this year.

Yet here we have Houthi ... in Yemen ... have made their own Drones.


Actually 7th July .... 2019 a full month prior to the refinery attacks was the published date.


Its hard to make the Indian Army or Pakistani Army look competent ... but the Saudis are hopeless

They just lost 5% of their Army to Yemen ... and 10% of their equipment.

Did someone say the USA is great ?

Yemen under siege the Houthis with Isis and ISIL on one side, Alquaeda on the other with USA/Saudi on the other ....

And they just captured enough arms to make matters far far worse and captured THOUSANDS of Saudi solders. Suggesting IRAN had some material effect on this ... past a bloody AIR SEA and land blockade is what I would expect out of Trumps arse.

This defeat .... via what Yemen Houthi army is around 200,000 and of them 100,000 battle hardened by 10 years of being used as targets .... just handed the USA side their bums.

Genocide I am very glad to report does NOT pay.


On this the red faced Saudi's .....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49866677

Or this
https://www.dw.com/en/yemen-houthi-rebels-claim-capture-of-thousands-of-saudi-troops/a-50627382

And this ...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...ands-saudi-troops-attack-190928144722091.html

NEVER again equally applies to ALL races .... religions and backgrounds.

Why is the USA seemingly above this ?

Saudi's have been trying to eradicate Israel for 50 years along with Iran and now picked on Yemen thinking they could win !!

Yada yada yada, blah blah blah, delusion, insanity, self contradiction

Hello little man ...


What war with Iran could look like

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2019/06/04/what-war-with-iran-could-look-like/

One better watch out even this pro USA based blog rates Iran highly.

As for the Global firepower ...

they rank Iran as NUMBER 4 ... out of 137 nations .... On missiles.


That simply put for the non stupid ... is just behind the USA , Russia then China ...

NEXT .... IRAN ....
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=iran

Yes quite the cake walk for the USA. NOT.

Sdajii said:

the US military can completely destroy Iran with relatively minimal collateral damage to itself.

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Its about the only thing .... vaguely correct you have said. OF you don't count the US 45 military bases surrounding Iran well within their reach. It is vaguely correct because ... Iran missiles lack the legs to hit the USA, but every other nation in the region, from Pakistan and India to well ... Saudi Arabia, Israel and a long list of others.

Strange Donald Thrump was spouting threats about being able to hit 15 or so sites crucial in Iran ... sadly with 2,000 plus missiles and 5,000 odd drones ....

Good luck Little man.

kahuna1 said:

Hello little man ...


What war with Iran could look like

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2019/06/04/what-war-with-iran-could-look-like/

One better watch out even this pro USA based blog rates Iran highly.

As for the Global firepower ...

they rank Iran as NUMBER 4 ... out of 137 nations .... On missiles.


That simply put for the non stupid ... is just behind the USA , Russia then China ...

NEXT .... IRAN ....
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=iran

Yes quite the cake walk for the USA. NOT.



Its about the only thing .... vaguely correct you have said. OF you don't count the US 45 military bases surrounding Iran well within their reach. It is vaguely correct because ... Iran missiles lack the legs to hit the USA, but every other nation in the region, from Pakistan and India to well ... Saudi Arabia, Israel and a long list of others.

Strange Donald Thrump was spouting threats about being able to hit 15 or so sites crucial in Iran ... sadly with 2,000 plus missiles and 5,000 odd drones ....

Good luck Little man.

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It's telling that you start and finish your post with pointless silly ad hominem insults, and in between you still can't help use colours, silly fonts, etc to compensate for your lack of ability to be sensible or based in reality. You need substance to convince me, not emotional outbursts, insults and wasting time with your text.

But it's all good, Yemmen can strike the world's largest oil refinery with some completely cheap home made drones. 19 targets hit with just 10 drones. I can see why you think the USA will have no hope with its military in this region.

I feel very sorry for you, more so for anyone in your life. With 87 links to world experts in the field, commentaries, maps, papers, documents, videos.. U know best.


No wonder people leave this site. Why does anyone bother sharing research ?? Views or even opinions ? I have not learnt a single thing from your responses Sadiji other than your unpleasant bombastic demeaning nature, I pity those who are forced to interact with you.

It is not necessary to personally flame. It is not helpful.

I am a very active in certain areas of public interest. I can assure you that based on my personal experience and on the basis of my deep commitment to the matters I advocate over, at no stage is it advantageous to your cause to allow your frustrations to become expressed in a manner that might be perceived to be personal, vindictive or petty.

First response ... to a technical issue which requires more than 100 words ... what a limpet mine is verses a sea mine.

Sdajii said:

Never use 100 words when 100,000 will do, huh?

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Makes anyone sharing research or a view feel so nice ...

Next posts ...

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I can't be bothered reading a huge slab of scarcely coherent emotional and arrogant rambling.

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Okey dokey

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doesn't mean you're the military whiz you hype yourself up as

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I did quote 10 others who are military experts who did agree after my opinion, novice was shared ...when they publicly came out with there views. 30 nations actually agreed ... 27 EU ones and Japan ... with Russia and China.

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It's a shame this forum has devolved into emotional nonsense

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Ah um ....

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As for kahuna, I'm hardly going to waste my time with yet another giant wall of rambling, emotionally unstable waffle.

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Yep

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I don't hate myself enough to read through it all, especially since in the past when I've bothered it has been 99% insanity waffle.

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Is this baiting ? Or trolling ?

Sdajii said:

giant walls of emotional tantrum style text

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Next post the same ...

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Shame kahuna can't cut out the emotional crap waffle.

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And same next post

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extremely biased and often quite irrational

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Okey dokey

Sdajii said:

you are insane

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I would say Projection but that would be rude.

Sdajii said:

the last few pages clearly demonstrates that you're not entirely rational or level-headed

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Sdajii said:

Many people can be excused for being ignorant on this issue, but you have chosen to make this thread, mostly as a monologue, clearly this is something you think a lot about, so ignorance is not an excuse for you.

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My response was actually nice ....

kahuna1 said:

Of course its not one sided.

Your thoughts and criticism appreciated.

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On and on

Sdajii said:

You're pretty naive to believe the official story of 9/11

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Okey dokey again ...

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you have a strangely inflated sense of self, and if you think you can 'upset an opinion' your concept of reality is questionable

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I am amused and alarmed by now reading your posts and thinking about Tin Hats kind words. Cool hat by the way !!

Sdajii said:

I can point out where you are being delusional.

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And again ...

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You've put up countless pages of tantrum

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Hmm tantrum ... just sharing some stuff.

Sdajii said:

doubling down on your insanity

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New words ?

Sdajii said:

It's telling that you start and finish your post with pointless silly ad hominem insults

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There is more ...

But yep its the internet 2019.
Not crying, just an observation.
Whilst many dont like say my longer winded writing style, such is life.
As for using fonts when I quote from a source which I use links to give source document.

Wow.

I dont know how Joe in 2019 or any chat or information sharing site will work.
Its not as though I too have not stood my ground on this topic a bit. Being in a discussion when someone chooses to use Abuse or Coercive abuse as a response ... is what it is.

Thanks for again making me think and apologies for wasting anyone's time.