tinhat
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Harvey Norman?there is another Aussie icon business right now
I reckon un-love and a dog right nowbut it will turn that I'm 99% certain...
Anyone have any ideas on Index funds ? how have they gone over the past couple of years.
In line with the all ords I guess ?
It is possible to do.... in fact that all I do...I build a continuous stream of dividend and rising each year at least 5% due to the stock rising earning and increase dividend payout .... it now out strip my saving rate...
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so it's not straight forward it require a bit of work
Exactly Julia. Below is the monthly chart of TLS.
Since the high in 1999 it has paid 3.73 in dividends but lost close to $6.00 in value.
I haven't taken into account the franking credits as they are of no benefit anyway if you are losing money.
Naturally the yield is going to increase, only because the stock price is falling.
http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/investor/my-shareholding/dividends/
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Boggo
What are you trying to prove with the charts?
TLS was only yield just over 2% when it traded at $9+ hardly the sort of price that would have a yield investor interested.
If you had bought T1 and held on you would have achieved an annual compound return of over 10%.
Exactly Julia. Below is the monthly chart of TLS.
Since the high in 1999 it has paid 3.73 in dividends but lost close to $6.00 in value.
I haven't taken into account the franking credits as they are of no benefit anyway if you are losing money.
Naturally the yield is going to increase, only because the stock price is falling.)
What return would have had if you had sold when it started falling from $9+, losing $6 per share is an expensive way to get an increased yield.
What is the formula for yield ?
If you want income AND a smooth equity curve, selecting businesses for the yield they can produce is probably not your best bet. The smoothest equity curves come from the shortest holding period strategies.
Backing businesses, rather than trading the share price can and does work, but you need to know how to analyse businesses and estimate their worth and it takes time to see off the randomness and fads of the market, the longer you’re holding period the lumpier your equity curve – end of story.
If you want income AND a smooth equity curve, selecting businesses for the yield they can produce is probably not your best bet. The smoothest equity curves come from the shortest holding period strategies.
Gearing is a good way to invest for income. Many years ago I bought warrants in RIO for about $11, and they on a par basis they pay a decent dividend now even after conversion.
gg
Plenty of ways to mitigate risk short term trading.
10000 $ 10 stock returns $ 100 / cent getting on an up move of 10c or more isn't hat difficult.
Indexes 5 x FTSE only requires $ 30 k
DAX a bit more.
SPI about the same.
How many "investors" have even heard of this stock, would you rather be holding this with a low yield or TLS with a high yield ?
Chart below covers the same period as TLS fall from $9+.
http://www.sharedividends.com.au/mnd
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Perhaps Mr Burns should define what he means by 'Investing' for income.
'Investing' implies a relatively low activity strategy. Basically setup and leave alone, perhaps with a bit of infrequent tweeking.
Short term trading requires daily activity with perhaps some hours in front of the screen every day. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not 'investing' IMO.
How many "investors" have even heard of this stock, would you rather be holding this with a low yield or TLS with a high yield ?
Chart below covers the same period as TLS fall from $9+.
http://www.sharedividends.com.au/mnd
(click to expand)
How many "investors" have even heard of this stock, would you rather be holding this with a low yield or TLS with a high yield ?
Chart below covers the same period as TLS fall from $9+.
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