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Internet Filtering: Australia heads further towards totalitarianism

Rant I hate Conroy vehemently, and watching him last night was wishing hurt upon him.

My wife disclaimed my vengeance, so I settled upon either that rare blood pressure problem that made the Yellow Wiggle retire, or the very rare Intersex condition I had just seen on "Hungry Beast" where a grown man spontaneously undergoes a complete physical reversion to female form.
 

Indeed they are sad times.

Here is the blog entry from the owner of Encyclopedia Dramatica about the action against him and his website by the Australian Human Rights Commission: http://www.blog.encyclopediadramatica.com/?p=84

It is unbelievable that Australian citizens can be charged, arrested and possibly imprisoned for what amounts to hurting someone's feelings. It is even more unbelievable that the Australian Human Rights Commission is trying to do this to a citizen of another country!

This isn't just political correctness, it is thought control and the suppression of information and is something that you would expect from a dictatorship not a democratic country like Australia. The fact that this site is on Conroy's blacklist just goes to show that this internet filtering is going to filter out satire and alternate viewpoints. Apparently, our government has decided that Australian adults aren't mature enough to decide what points of view we expose ourselves to and must have those decisions made for us by the nanny state.

Chairman Rudd and the Minister for Propaganda, Senator Goebbels, ooops Conroy need to be kicked out at the next election. They're not fit to govern this country IMO.
 
Censor this :fu:

Absolute waste of time, money and resources. DPI will never work, as they have found. Even the world's biggest super computer couldn't keep up with such a high demand. And encryption bypasses this with ease.

Take a leaf from China's total stuff up. While they still attempt to censor, a vast of majority of computer crime still originates from there, so go figure...

Good points brought up by many in this thread. Julia back on P1 said it. It is up to the parents to take responsibility for what they want their children to view/not view. If the parents are too computer illiterate to set-up a filter themselves, then they must take responsibility and watch their kids 100% of the time when they use the NET. Like the real world, there are some very dark and nasty places out there.

Adults can (and will) make up their own mind. How friggen hard is it to click that little X on the top right of your screen if you find the content offensive? Actions always speak louder than words.

Someone else also mentioned that there are already countless ways to get around it. You can be assured that there will be countless more in the future.

For goodness sake, it's not the computer illiterate they should be worried about. It's the literate ones that cause the most harm. And they will have no trouble posting their kiddie pr0n. As Metallica says, it's sad but true. The only way to stop them is to take their computer off them. Much the same as the only way to completely secure your computer, is not have it connected to a network.

Sadly, Poly Crackers are going to make new laws based on their own bias. Without considering all the facts (but hey, what's new???).
 
Whooopsie. I'm a little trigger happy today. My rant may appear to some that I would be affected by such a move. In-fact it's the opposite. Much like Julia mentioned, it most likely won't affect my surfing habits (unless I'm looking for property on LJHOOKER.COM - LOL).

My point is that it's yet another a band-aid solution to a surgical wound. I'm not saying that I have all the answers either. I'm not an expert and quite frankly, don't want to be. But I can (and will) make up my own mind and will ensure that my kids activity is censored on my own terms.
 
Doesn't this legislation have to first get through the Senate? The Libs have, as far as I know, not been clear about whether they will support it or not.

Or can Conroy just do it without Senate approval?

He is almost taking over Rudd's position of most hated politician for me.
 
My point is that it's yet another a band-aid solution to a surgical wound.
But where is the wound? and is it even a wound at all? or is it just a bee in some puritan's bonnet?

I'm not saying that I have all the answers either. I'm not an expert and quite frankly, don't want to be.
I am an expert in the IT industry and I don't have the answers either...

Doesn't this legislation have to first get through the Senate?
Yep, that's the way this country works. It's a crying shame the Democrats imploded, I would have loved to hear Natasha get involved.

The Libs have, as far as I know, not been clear about whether they will support it or not.
The Libs were pro-filter in the past, although with Alston having even less clue than Conroy it was never likely to get anywhere. With Abbott in charge you've got to be thinking they will oppose it for pure political sake (good old fashioned wedge politics) and bring in their own version if they manage to get back in (gotta appease the religious right).

I'm actually heartened by the fact that EFA have baited Conroy enough to respond in the media: http://www.efa.org.au/2010/03/16/media-release-conroy-response/ hopefully this can continue up to the election.

m.
 
But where is the wound? and is it even a wound at all? or is it just a bee in some puritan's bonnet?

It's just an analogy marklar. My point was there are issues. Paedophilia/kiddie pr0n is one of them. Blocking the content is not the answer. Castration however is.

I'd even put my hand up to do the castrating. No questions asked. I worked in a butcher as a young chap, so I have the stomach for it.

I'll have to pull out my ethical issues in IT book. Plenty of good stuff in that. Bit late now though. It's Friday and I am about to get on the sauce.

Have a good one!
 

Anyone know of a good torrent site?

Average voter knowledge of torrent site: 14%
Average voter oblivious of torrent site: 68%
Average anarchist: 1%
Average voter with a connection with speeds to access dangerous material after waiting more than two weeks to download it: 27%

Should go into the Fugov bin IMHO
 
And how many of you have written emails and/or snail mail to your federal members?

I have - several times.
Unfortunately this is what I got:

My first email:

The response to that:
Dear lakemac

There has been no legislation in relation to internt filters introduces into parliament

Kind regards
<Federal Memeber>
Notice the subtle distinction in the reply "introduced into parliament". Of course is it not in parliament YET.

My response to that:

So I get back:
Dear lakemac

There is none and there is no legislation.

Kind regards
Ok again I agree there is no legislation - YET! But they are working on it.
Notice the denials...
 
My next (long) reply:


The denial yet again:
Dear lakemac

There is no legislation - ring the parliament if you do not believe me.

Kind regards

I obviously haven't put it clearly enought that it is PROPOSED legislation.
My bad, so I tried again:


Ok that should be plain enough...
The reply and ultimate fob off:
Dear lakemac

I will forward you a formal written response.

Kind regards

I am still waiting...

This is so called democracy in action.
Signing a petition is one thing.
I suggest you will get better traction if you rattle your federal member's cage. They need to be reminded that you could campaign against (or for) them (as the case may be) on the basis of a paranoid governments approach to free speech.

People have put their lives on the line and lost their lives for issues such as this in the past. Stand up and be counted guys. Talk to your federal members.
 
by the way, feel free to use, quote or otherwise mash up anything I have in my emails if you wish to rattle your federal member.
 
Lakemac, good to see you posting again.
I really don't think there's much point in contacting the government over this. They are clearly determined to do it. Rather, doesn't it make sense to make as much representation as possible to the Liberal Party? Unless I'm misunderstanding how the passage of legislation works, it won't get up unless the Libs support it. So far they have not committed themselves.

Yesterday's "Australia Talks Back" on Radio National was on this topic. Senator Conroy displayed all the usual spin.

They had two technical experts to discuss how effective the filter would be (a) in removing the forbidden content, and (b) not removing innocent sites.
These two people had opposing views, so no conclusion there.

Senator Conroy was asked why he is not prepared to make public the list of banned sites. His answer to this, unbelievably, was that if he were to publish the URL of a banned site, then the general public would immediately access it.

How exactly, Senator? You are saying these sites will be blocked!!!

For anyone with the fortitude to listen to more of this stuff here is the link:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/australiatalks/
 
Glad someone missed me. Thanks Julia.
By the way I have been reading your posts Trembling Hand. Thanks for your insights (and humour in the Interactive Brokers thread ).

Like most politics these days the sound bite is the key.
The whole issue distills down to this: Why is it going to be MANDATORY instead of OPTIONAL?

Filtering is not the issue. Freedom of choice is.

Why is the Labor Party/Conroy so geared up to make it MANDATORY?
Making it MANDATORY smacks of paranoia and government control.
As I have said that is FASCISM in its worst form.

Put it to your federal memebers - Why is the filter mandatory and not optional? Why are we being denied our freedom of choice, freedom of speech?

Use the list Trembling Hand posted. Choose Freedom guys.
 
by the way, feel free to use, quote or otherwise mash up anything I have in my emails if you wish to rattle your federal member.

Won't help, cause I'm sure the ones up here can barely read. Maybe if I send it in as a recording:
 
Also reported on smh...

"Senator Conroy has conceded that greater transparency is needed in terms of how content ends up on the blacklist, but last night he again refused to make the blacklist itself public, saying it would provide people instant access to the banned material."

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/government-goes-to-war-with-google-over-net-censorship-20100330-r9bp.html

What??

So what's he saying ...the filtering doesn't work??

How would people access it ? Oh yeah...apparently by the methods already well known.

Isn't that the proof of concept that by he's own admission, that filtering doesn't work?

Why not just pass the sites to the AFP & let them monitor the people who access it & punish them like the way law enforcement is meant to work.
They seem to be pretty effective capturing them so far.


Regards
 
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