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Bit of news around today about a site that will be blocked by Conroys save the kids filter.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com
This is clear censorship. Sure there's some distasteful stuff on there dressed up as satire but Nothing to do with protecting kids and restricting pr0n. Clearly its about setting up infrastructure to manage information and our access to material as free thinking & voting citizen.
Sad sad times.
But where is the wound? and is it even a wound at all? or is it just a bee in some puritan's bonnet?My point is that it's yet another a band-aid solution to a surgical wound.
I am an expert in the IT industry and I don't have the answers either...I'm not saying that I have all the answers either. I'm not an expert and quite frankly, don't want to be.
Yep, that's the way this country works. It's a crying shame the Democrats imploded, I would have loved to hear Natasha get involved.Doesn't this legislation have to first get through the Senate?
The Libs were pro-filter in the past, although with Alston having even less clue than Conroy it was never likely to get anywhere. With Abbott in charge you've got to be thinking they will oppose it for pure political sake (good old fashioned wedge politics) and bring in their own version if they manage to get back in (gotta appease the religious right).The Libs have, as far as I know, not been clear about whether they will support it or not.
But where is the wound? and is it even a wound at all? or is it just a bee in some puritan's bonnet?
It's just an analogy marklar. My point was there are issues. Paedophilia/kiddie pr0n is one of them. Blocking the content is not the answer. Castration however is.
I'd even put my hand up to do the castrating. No questions asked. I worked in a butcher as a young chap, so I have the stomach for it.
I'll have to pull out my ethical issues in IT book. Plenty of good stuff in that. Bit late now though. It's Friday and I am about to get on the sauce.
Have a good one!
Hi <Federal Member's name>
I believe your party's Fascist legislation to control our internet is about to come into parliament.
I have two questions I would like you to answer:
1. Are you going to toe the party line or vote independently?
2. Have you actually done any INDEPENDENT research of your own into this legislation or are your ASSUMING Senator Conroy understands what he is doing?
It would seem there are many people including myself that are totally against government control of what I can and cannot read. To introduce such legislation is FASCISM of the highest order. Is that what your party stands for? I would appear at the moment it does.
The stupid thing about it is that it does little to actually stop what it claims to stop, yet the other end is that it stop thing it should not stop because the government decides they don't like people talking about topics that the government decides they shouldn't be talking about.
Have you ever watched the movie "1984" or read George Orwell's book of the same name? If not I will lend you my copy. I suggest you watch it or read the book. It is a society in which Big Brother ie. the state/government decides what you will think, what you will say and what you will believe. I for one do not wish to live in a society like that - your party is leading us down that path very very quickly. We will be in the company of China, Burma and North Korea - all countries with state control of their peoples minds.
Do you want us to be like them?
Can you give me any logical, well thought out reasoned argument why Australians should have a MANDATORY filter on what they can and can't access on the internet?
Regards,
Notice the subtle distinction in the reply "introduced into parliament". Of course is it not in parliament YET.Dear lakemac
There has been no legislation in relation to internt filters introduces into parliament
Kind regards
<Federal Memeber>
Hi <Federal Member's name>
I have tried to find the actual part of the Labor party's policy document (on your ALP website) that mentions the filtering. Can you point me in the right direction?
I have Senator Conroy's press release regarding the plans for the legislation (on his website) but am after the Labor party policy document in relation to it.
Irrespective of the reference material the crux of the matter is the MANDATORY nature of what your party proposes.
I am not against filtering.
What I am against is MANDATORY filtering.
Your party is effectively taking away one of our freedoms by making it MANDATORY. And that has led to revolutions (bloody and otherwise) in history as I am sure you are aware.
So why is the Labor party making the proposed filtering MANDATORY instead of OPTIONAL?
That is the key question I would like to know.
Regards,
Ok again I agree there is no legislation - YET! But they are working on it.Dear lakemac
There is none and there is no legislation.
Kind regards
Hi <Federal Member's name>
I beg to differ.
According to Senator Conroy's press release:
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/115
"The cyber-safety measures announced today include:
* Introduction of MANDATORY ISP-level filtering of Refused Classification
(RC) -rated content."
and:
"The Government will introduce legislative amendments to the Broadcasting
Services Act to require all ISPs to block RC-rated material hosted on
overseas servers."
and:
"The Government expects to introduce legislation during the Autumn 2010
parliamentary sittings. There will be a twelve months process of
implementation after the passage of the legislation."
How can you say there is none?
Are you telling me that Senator Conroy is lying?
Or maybe he is just pulling an April Fools joke.
If he is then maybe you should ask why he is wasting taxpayer money on the
joke.
Conroy is proposing MANDATORY filtering based on a list that can have
ANYTHING added to it including policital discussions. But you might say that
will never happen. Really? The proposed legislation (that you claim does not
exist) includes websites relating to terrorism correct? Back about 20-30
years ago the ANC (African National Conference) was labelled by the
Australian Government as a "terrorist organisation". So on that basis any
information relating to that group would be banned (just like China, Iran
and North Korea does right now with other material they deem RC). You
realise of course that the ANC was the party that Nelson Mandela belonged to
and fought the oppressive aparthied regiem in South Africa from.
The legislation that your party proposes would block such activists and
discussions, information flow on such activities - because someone decided
that they didn't like what they were saying.
The same blocking of information happened in World War II. The tragedy there
was millions of Jews lost their lives because information about
concentration camps was kept secret - by the western allies. Any wonder
people don't trust their own governments.
Information is power.
Transparent government and to quote Senator Conroy "measures to improve
transparency" - ha what a joke.
You only have to look at the farce that current FOI is.
Governments hate the free flow of information.
It shows up their incompetencies.
Your party's attempt to install a MANDATORY filter of sites that may or may
not be politically sensitive smacks of Totalitarism and Fascism.
Do you or the Labor party stand for Fascism?
Because such MANDATORY filters of information do represent Fascism and
Totalitarianism in their worst form - control of the people by the state. Do
you want to live in China or Iran or North Korea? They do not have freedom
of speech, do not have freedom to choose what they read and do not have
freedom from the state interfering in their lives.
Your party's proposed MANDATORY filter is exactly that - a removal of our
freedom.
Google decided to pull out of China on the basis of China's demands for
internet filtering.
I applaud them for standing up to oppressive governments.
Right now your party's proposed MANDATORY filtering puts you in the same
category - an oppressive government.
And before you talk about all the so called "nasty content" needing to be
filtered - consider this - there is already laws in place to prosecute that.
Filtering can be got around by those determined to do so - but the average
person doesn't have the knowledge or tools to do so. So a MANDATORY filter
only stops the uninformed masses from being informed about other topics
(such as the example of the ANC in the past) that the paranoid controllers
of the RC list decide is "inappropriate" or might harm the party or might
make people wake up to the truth of how they are being manipulated.
So,
There is PROPOSED legislation for MANDATORY filtering by your party. You are
incorrect in your assertion that there is none. Such MANDATORY filtering
represents oppressive government such as found in Fascist states.
I suggest you get informed.
The question ask of you again is do you and/or the Labor party stand for Fascism?
And do you support this proposed oppressive government proposal of MANDATORY filtering of information?
I would like some answers.
Regards,
Dear lakemac
There is no legislation - ring the parliament if you do not believe me.
Kind regards
Hi <Federal Member's name>
I realise there is no bill or even a draft for public viewing yet.
What Senator Conroy is implying is that when the legislation comes into play he intends (at this point) to introduce mandatory filtering.
Which is what I, along with a lot of others object to. Specifically the MANDATORY nature of the filtering.
What I would like you, as an elected representative, to do if you could, is to get Senator Conroy's reasons why he, and by logical extension the Labor party, want to behave like an oppressive paranoid government that is afraid of free speech. Why is he considering MANDATORY filtering? As I asked is the Labor party Fascist? Because mandatory control of what you can and cannot access is Fascist. Pure and simple.
So why is your party "considering" legislation to bring in MANDATORY internet filtering?
Regards,
Dear lakemac
I will forward you a formal written response.
Kind regards
With 20 hours to go that poll now has about 20,000 votes with 95% voting no.Age poll shows some interesting numbers,
http://www.theage.com.au/technology...e-over-net-censorship-20100330-r9bp.html#poll
by the way, feel free to use, quote or otherwise mash up anything I have in my emails if you wish to rattle your federal member.
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