Importing Migrant Workers

[sptrawler]

sorry i thought the link was the full story, didn't realise there was more, will read tomorrow n get back to u, bed for me now.

Something for you to sleep on, if you are a construction worker, be it dogman, rigger, fitter, I don't give a rats what.
If I can bring in a foriegn worker with the same skills that is crapping himself of being sent back.
I know who I will emloy everytime, if there isn't any backlash.LOL
Thankfully I am past this stage, I just worry about my kids and grandkids, not having the same opportunities I had. Like I have said on numerous occasions, labor get through changes liberal would have no chance with.

 

[Julia]

Also anyone saying that Aussies arent looking for jobs. I've got 3 mates currently living in north queensland and have done so for the past 12 months. they have all completed generic mining courses, worked with mining sub-contractors to get experience in drag lines etc, and only one of them has managed to pick up a roster so far.

So, there are at least two possible conclusions to be drawn from this personal anecdote (which is hardly meaningful in terms of the national situation is it?):

1. this is making a case for the use of overseas workers who already have the specialised skills required.

2. there are all sorts of other reasons why your friends haven't landed a job. It seems a bit unrealistic to me to imagine that the mining companies should be expected to just give jobs to any person, qualified or unqualified, who thinks they'd like to work for that company. Just being your friends, nice though that is, doesn't necessarily qualify them in terms of the prospective employer's requirements.

 

[sptrawler]

So, there are at least two possible conclusions to be drawn from this personal anecdote (which is hardly meaningful in terms of the national situation is it?):

1. this is making a case for the use of overseas workers who already have the specialised skills required.

2. there are all sorts of other reasons why your friends haven't landed a job. It seems a bit unrealistic to me to imagine that the mining companies should be expected to just give jobs to any person, qualified or unqualified, who thinks they'd like to work for that company. Just being your friends, nice though that is, doesn't necessarily qualify them in terms of the prospective employer's requirements.

You are spot on Julia, this rubish about jobs for everyone is a scam, time will show what the underlying driver is. My feeling is it won't be pleasant.
My gut feeling is we are heading for the L.C.D

 

[qldfrog]

So, there are at least two possible conclusions to be drawn from this personal anecdote (which is hardly meaningful in terms of the national situation is it?):

1. this is making a case for the use of overseas workers who already have the specialised skills required.

2. there are all sorts of other reasons why your friends haven't landed a job. It seems a bit unrealistic to me to imagine that the mining companies should be expected to just give jobs to any person, qualified or unqualified, who thinks they'd like to work for that company. Just being your friends, nice though that is, doesn't necessarily qualify them in terms of the prospective employer's requirements.

And a third one:
this job boom is not existing at all, at least in Queensland (maybe in WA? No real personal knowledge there)
What I do know is that 2 big miners (one starting with a B and the other with R) are currently reducing staff and closing mine/projects in coal.
Just read papers and keep reading them in the coming months.
So do not even think about a federal budget profit next year paid by the mining tax...

 

[sptrawler]

And a third one:
this job boom is not existing at all, at least in Queensland (maybe in WA? No real personal knowledge there)
What I do know is that 2 big miners (one starting with a B and the other with R) are currently reducing staff and closing mine/projects in coal.
Just read papers and keep reading them in the coming months.
So do not even think about a federal budget profit next year paid by the mining tax...

Well over here in the West, talking to friend on the weekend, he has worked on mines as a haulpack and scraper driver, currently works for a local council.
He can't get a job because they say his mine experience isn't current. What the, he can't follow it.
All sounds like crap to me.
But hey, lets get those overseas workers in. No it's not because you can throw them out ad lib. No it's not because they work for less. No it's not because there is different leave provisions. It's because my mate doesn't qualify.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The Snowy Mountains Scheme would not have been built without foreign workers.

And they, their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are fine Australians.

gg

 

[noco]

Please don't ask me to provide a link, but I read in one of the papers today where just 38 have applied to work in the Pilbara.

 

[sptrawler]

Please don't ask me to provide a link, but I read in one of the papers today where just 38 have applied to work in the Pilbara.

As an old learned friend once said, believe half of what you see, none of what you hear and the opposite of what you read.
Actually show me the advert for zillions of workers in the W.A papers and show me the rejected applications.
Talks cheap, I could put an advert in and say that I got no replies. Who the hell audits it. What a crock.
Like I said our local council employs over 600 and the drivers are on $23/hr, they are saying when they apply for mining jobs, nothing comes of it.

 

[numbercruncher]

Please don't ask me to provide a link, but I read in one of the papers today where just 38 have applied to work in the Pilbara.

Thats great - if they are residents they would quite possibly be receiving benefits but instead they are participating and earning if they get the job.

No doubt Gina will turn them down as unskilled and take on someone equally unskilled but has a 457 entitling them to lower pay and no job protections/rights.

 

[sptrawler]

Thats great - if they are residents they would quite possibly be receiving benefits but instead they are participating and earning if they get the job.

No doubt Gina will turn them down as unskilled and take on someone equally unskilled but has a 457 entitling them to lower pay and no job protections/rights.

Yes and I would love to see their annual leave provisions

 

[Julia]

No doubt Gina will turn them down as unskilled and take on someone equally unskilled but has a 457 entitling them to lower pay and no job protections/rights.

All that I've read about workers on 457 visas states that they are paid at the same rate as Australians.
Do you have evidence otherwise?

Jank, you would know about this. Are you able to comment?

 

[joea]

Here is one link for jobs in WA.
It should open on jobs listed with this company.
So you can see a cross section of jobs to be filled.

http://westjobs.com.au/JobSeeker/Jobs/Browse.aspx

I thought I would show that it is not just mining.

joea

 

[pilots]

Some years ago the company I was working for had 4 welders brought in from the Philippines, was real easy to get them, all the company had to do was show the adds that was run in the Australian papers, and the number of people that applied. What amazed all of us was that the imported welders all started work b4 7AM, and was still welding at 5 O'clock. The first Sunday they was here they all turned up for work, they was upset they could not work on the Sunday. Until Australian workers start to do a full days work, you are going to get more workers in from overseas.

 

[sptrawler]

Some years ago the company I was working for had 4 welders brought in from the Philippines, was real easy to get them, all the company had to do was show the adds that was run in the Australian papers, and the number of people that applied. What amazed all of us was that the imported welders all started work b4 7AM, and was still welding at 5 O'clock. The first Sunday they was here they all turned up for work, they was upset they could not work on the Sunday. Until Australian workers start to do a full days work, you are going to get more workers in from overseas.

Thats's all well and good, but how many boat people do you see heading fot the Philippines?
I can't understand why everyone is hell bent on trying to make Australia more like a S/E Asian country, when everyone there is trying to get here.
Maybe everyone should work seven days a week for half the money and no annual leave. Then we wouldn't have the asylum seeker problem. The multinational companies would be happy, the labor party would be happy because everybody would re join a union.
I can't see any down side .LOL,LOL,LOL
We could even end up with the hotch potch sidewalks, undrinkable water and the constant smell of sewage. Oh yes lets go down that path.LOL

 

[sptrawler]

Here is one link for jobs in WA.
It should open on jobs listed with this company.
So you can see a cross section of jobs to be filled.

http://westjobs.com.au/JobSeeker/Jobs/Browse.aspx

I thought I would show that it is not just mining.

joea

Well Joea, try something, apply for one of the jobs you are qualified for. See if you get an interview, you can allways decline the interview or the job. What I would be interested in is to see if you even get an interview.
It would be an interesting excercise.

 

[jank]

All that I've read about workers on 457 visas states that they are paid at the same rate as Australians.
Do you have evidence otherwise?

Jank, you would know about this. Are you able to comment?

Yes, I do know about this after being through the process. There are legal minimum requirements for salary, superannuation and health insurance if an employer wants to take on someone on a 457 visa. If the employer breaks these conditions then they lose the right to employ more people on 457 visa's.

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/sbs/how-the-visa-works.htm

Alot of what is being written on this thread is unsubstantiated bull$hit I must say. The I heared from my brother/uncle/friend/dog etc...

 

[Julia]

Thanks, jank. Appreciate knowing the reality.

 

[Glen48]

Fitter Welder/Australia (4 new jobs)
Welders here use sun glasses as a welding mask they are good at welding to a point due to lack of decent equipment ,have yet to see mig or tig welder all are stick welding machines and a lot left over from WW2 on $8 a day here why wouldn't you want to work there for 7 days a week .

They have to work 7days or starve but where are the jobs and what are they as you can see above not much demand for welders.
Think Gina and Co just want to break the ice and and test the waters and our pollie's would not care as long as they get elected.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes, I do know about this after being through the process. There are legal minimum requirements for salary, superannuation and health insurance if an employer wants to take on someone on a 457 visa. If the employer breaks these conditions then they lose the right to employ more people on 457 visa's.

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/sbs/how-the-visa-works.htm

Alot of what is being written on this thread is unsubstantiated bull$hit I must say. The I heared from my brother/uncle/friend/dog etc...

I agree there are legal minimum salary requirements, it's called the minimum wage approx $15 - $16/hr. We used to have award rates covering dfferent work areas, these are now obsolete in most places. Work place negotiated agreements are now the norm.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

2. there are all sorts of other reasons why your friends haven't landed a job. It seems a bit unrealistic to me to imagine that the mining companies should be expected to just give jobs to any person, qualified or unqualified, who thinks they'd like to work for that company. Just being your friends, nice though that is, doesn't necessarily qualify them in terms of the prospective employer's requirements.

Haha what? The argument most frequently used is that there aren't people living in the right areas.

So now we have people living in mining areas, who have taken initiative to obtain the necessary training - and now even more stupid excuses have to be used for why they are out of work?

When will you mining supporters give up and go home? Face it - there is NO LABOUR SHORTAGES AT ALL, it's all a ruse by billionaire lardtards like Gina so they don't have to pay fair wages.

And a third one:
this job boom is not existing at all, at least in Queensland (maybe in WA? No real personal knowledge there)
What I do know is that 2 big miners (one starting with a B and the other with R) are currently reducing staff and closing mine/projects in coal.
Just read papers and keep reading them in the coming months.
So do not even think about a federal budget profit next year paid by the mining tax...

I like this very much, and I agree. There is no boom, and we have countless mining and constructions workers unemployed and more losing jobs everywhere across the country - it is sheer insanity that mining is allowed to bring in foreign labour during a time like this.

The Snowy Mountains Scheme would not have been built without foreign workers.

And they, their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are fine Australians.

Relevance?