Is it fair to ask how old is old and how old you are? I gather you claim life experience but that may also warrant definition.
More like the party for rational economic governance. Of course I don't expect all the old people here to understand that.
Well you cant seem to be able to organise a move overseas where you might be happier for a start. I can tell you life holds challenges way beyond that.
You've no idea where life will lead you, you can plan but nothing's guaranteed.
You must have no life experience if you think moving from country to country is that easy.
Is it fair to ask how old is old and how old you are? I gather you claim life experience but that may also warrant definition.
LOL, it has gotten alot easier thanks to Rina.
Oh **** you've got me. Although now that I think about it, maybe it has something to do with....language, family, friends, employment, connections and transporting my crap around the planet
Pretty much all old people have property they can sell and put themselves in a home. Even better if they retire in some cheap country so as to not strain Australia's failing healthcare system. They should think of their children (and grandchildren).
Organising a move is simple. Starting life anew is not. And I do love to plan.
OK, so they should move to another country and be a strain on another countries health care system?
Yet before you are complaining about immigrants being a strain on the health care system, now OAP's are a strain even though most would have worked all their lives paying taxes to fund said health care system.
My should just kill themselves and not be a strain on limited resources? Or maybe the state can implement such a policy. It makes economic sense right?
Why in the name of God would I or anyone in Australia care about any other country's healthcare system?
Right, so maybe old Australians should immigrate to take the strain off our healthcare system? Makes perfect sense. Did I tell you how all Sydney clinics are stuffed full of old people? If you don't want to wait a week for an appointment, forget about bulk-billing. I also don't see the relevance of having payed taxes in the past and getting services into the future in return. Last time I checked, government spends it's revenue into healthcare (and all other services) year to year - they don't set it aside.
Which is yet another reason why income tax should be abolished and replaced with a full user-pays system.
I for one am a proud supporter of euthanasia. It's amazing that people who don't want to live in this world anymore are arbitrarily not allowed to end their own life.
I would support any retired person who has the money to fund their life and healthcare and does not rely on stealing it from others, looks after their grandchildren to allow their children to live more productive lives, and provides other benefits to society - however those who do not do anything productive within the economy and are a bottomless pit for taxpayer money....I take a real issue with them - they are a net drain on the economy with no further purpose.
Everyone should be ranked based on their present contribution to the economy - and if there is any taxation, then those with the greatest benefit to the economy should get most of the services.
You are missing the point, you are complaining and advocating the exact same thing. Once people are not a strain on the tax base you don't care where they end up, thailand or six feet under.
Maybe you should put your hand in your pocket and get private health insurance or are you too cheap? Expecting everyone else to pay for your needs but telling every else to sod off somewhere else. Your a libertarian right, so go fund your own health care and get insurance.
So? What would you do about it?
What if someone who contributes tens thousands of dollars to the tax base loses their job. As they are no longer contributing, they get nothing right? So by your logic, Gina should get 10,0000x time the services as the average worker, right?
Yes, but I don't live in Thailand - so why should I care? If Thailand has a problem with Australian immigrants, they can always change their laws. I just don't see how it relates to me as an Australian.
Well you obviously have experience waiting in a clinic full of oap's when you are bulk billing, go to a private clinic and you will be seen there and then no problem.What exactly makes you think I don't already have private healthcare? Either way, I do not use healthcare services, because I am not an old sickly person. I don't even get sick thanks to a lifestyle of healthy eating and exercise. Maybe I should get some of my tax back? And what did you mean everyone else paying for my needs? I'm a taxpayer myself, and as I just mentioned, I use a disproportionately small (in fact non-existent) amount of healthcare resources. Hmmm, I do wonder who uses disproportionately more than anyone else? Do you care to guess?
Remove all welfare and healthcare.
Yes, they should get nothing. If they had a job, they must have savings to draw upon.
Gina provides a net deficit to the economy, because she imports workers who put strain on our 3rd world infrastructure and healthcare systems, while providing nothing in return. I would love to export her worthless fat **** to Thailand - or preferably North Korea. I'm sure there's lots of mining there to do for her.
The point is lost on you. Anyway, it would not make sense for millions of OAP to move to another country much as you would like them to.
Well you obviously have experience waiting in a clinic full of oap's when you are bulk billing, go to a private clinic and you will be seen there and then no problem.
Yes, you pay into it now, you get it back when you are old and/or sick. I too believe in a small welfare state but you are going off the cliff with your ideas.
So you must like Ayrn Rand then. Fair enough.
K, therefore nobody would pay tax or indeed nobody should pay tax.
LOL, this takes the biscuit. I thought you were getting somewhere now but you revert to type. She has probably paid billions in tax over her lifetime
and would be a easily a net contributor to the tax base.
These migrants are still paying tax so the exchequer wont lose out at all.
Just because you have a bee in your bonnet about it doesn't change those facts. The richest in society are the ones the shoulder the tax burden. Always has been.
By the way i love you way you spin out of an arguement, Gina is Australias richest person and by your very own admission she should get the most back in terms of services from the state yet you cant even admit it!!! Funny stuff!
You are a funny guy, you hate the government, hate welfare, hate old people, hate migrants, hate rich people and poor people. You are just a hater and a spoofer.
I didn't wait, I walked in, saw the situation, and walked out.
That's completely stupid. I didn't ask the government for any assistance when I get old - so why should I pay for old people now? I know for a fact there will be ZERO assistance for the aged by the time I retire, because no amount of taxes in the world would be able to pay for it long before I am at retirement age.
I don't know nor care who that is.
Correct.
You are speculating. I don't much like speculators. Either give me concrete figures, or nothing at all.
But a net debtor to the economy.
The tax would still be paid had she used local workers - and more tax would be paid, because she'd have to pay a fair wage. On top of that, existing government services would not need to be strained by unnecessary people within the country.
First of all; no - Singapore, Switzerland. Second of all, what does shouldering the tax burden have to do with importing foreign workers? Probably the fact that it will result in less tax collections against more government services.
How? I never said the services must relate to wealth - but to the amount of tax payed. Convenient of you to ignore that.
And government services do not include importing foreign workers by the way. Maybe they should buy her a treadmill or something? I'm all up for that.
I don't hate any of the demographics nor institutions you mentioned. I only hate those who take and don't give.
What hard work? Your a ****ing trader! That isn't hard! There are thousands of other jobs that are harder then yours. You don't contribute anything other then some messily tax dollars to the economy. You sit in from of the computer and trade numbers hoping its goes up and down. You dont create jobs, you dont have a family, you have no one to look after. When you do, you will have a different outlook.If there was no welfare and public healthcare, no wars, no government intervention in the markets - then I would love the Australian government, and have no problem with any immigrant, old person or whoever else presently leeches off my hard work and that of others.
What hard work? Your a ****ing trader!
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You sit in from of the computer and trade numbers hoping its goes up and down.
back to the thread......
its all about wages you only have to listen to rineharts own words on the
corporate video...
"high cost base structure"
thats boss code for we want to pay 3rd world wages...
the greed of this woman is untold.
Why didn't you go to a private clinic if you had health insurance? Unless you wanted an excuse to get angry.
You mean you won't. Learn to talk in the proper tense.
Maybe those old people have built up a lifetime of credit with the government in the form of taxes.
Instead of giving out in an internet forum go do something about it, Join a political party. Your views would go down very well in China. By the way the Swiss have very generous state pensions, so that's another country off your list. We have to live in the real world mate.
Nah, she is only
Your not a libertarian
your just a kid who doesn't like to pay taxes (welcome to life) and hates all people because they are leeches. Have you seen "There will be blood"? You remind me of the main character Daniel Plainview played by Daniel Day-Lewis. A person who just hates people. Very apt I think!
Who will pay immigration officers? Police? Schools? Army? Roads? Transport?
Who will pay for the courts or rule of law? Do you want anarchy?
No, you are speculating nonsense and I have disproved such nonsense before. Disprove me that she doesn't pay a large amount in tax.
Everybody therefore is a net debtor to the economy. Maybe we should all migrate and leave Australia to the birds and the trees. You are fecking crazy or a great troll.
I thought you were against tax, but now you want more tax, which is it!!
You do realise that one of the two most powerful things an economy can have to make itself stronger is a big movement of labour? Its one of the things that keeps Australia ticking over. Without it you would still be talking about the sheeps back bemoaning that Australia is missing out on the global economy. Look at NZ's economy, it cant keep up because of low inward migration and high emigration.
LOL, a so called libertarian advocating Singapores system.
No, because she would have paid many more times taxes then the average person. Are you disputing this?
Personal remarks are just a sign of your immaturity and your childishness.
I'm an immigrant who has paid taxes day one, yet I should be entitled to nothing, right?
What hard work? Your a ****ing trader!
No, it's boss code for we don't want to pay $250k a year to get the qualified people here, because the majority of people on the eastern side of the country are too lazy to re-locate.
As far as I'm concerned, she's just trying to get a job done for the lowest amount possible. It's not her concern, nor her responsibility, to care for the rest of the country.
So long as she pays her taxes and works within government guidelines, then she's doing her part.
No, it's boss code for we don't want to pay $250k a year to get the qualified people here, because the majority of people on the eastern side of the country are too lazy to re-locate.
As far as I'm concerned, she's just trying to get a job done for the lowest amount possible. It's not her concern, nor her responsibility, to care for the rest of the country.
So long as she pays her taxes and works within government guidelines, then she's doing her part.
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