If all business cows in China are holy?

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Interesting reply, Calliope.
Reading between the lines (or lack thereof) one must assume that you are or were privy to the dealings between Rio and Chinalco. How else could anyone state categorically, that "We are pretty sure that there was no "bribary" involved?

You might know that there was no "bribary" involved, (if you had personal dealings with Chinalco!)

What I am saying is: I do not know if there was "bribary" involved, nor would the great majority of Australians know.

This problem needs to be resolved by diplomatic channels between the Australian Government and the Chinese Government, not by sabre rattling like our esteemed (NOT) leader of the opposition would like to do. We don't need a (Turn)Bull in the China shop.

Thanks for pointing out the misspelled word "bribary". I shall ensure that I will never mis-spell bribery again.

Zài jiàn.

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gray.nomad said:

Interesting reply, Calliope.
Reading between the lines (or lack thereof) one must assume that you are or were privy to the dealings between Rio and Chinalco. How else could anyone state categorically, that "We are pretty sure that there was no "bribary" involved?

You might know that there was no "bribary" involved, (if you had personal dealings with Chinalco!)

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None of the above. I am just privy to correct spelling. By the way is a "gray nomad" different to a grey nomad.

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Joe Blow said:

Miner,

Can you please tell me exactly how the thread title is supposed to read so I can edit it?

At the moment it doesn't seem to make any sense.

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Hi Joe

I did not have a chance to look into thread since started during weekend. Sorry to have missed the query raised by Sean first and then you or to interact with other comments.

It is interesting to see the comments posted however.

What I wanted to say under reference of holy cow. Means something pious. So in a way if all businesses in China are clean as distilled water or similar to holy cow.

You can change the title if you want to suit the intent so long people participate on the forum. I noticed there are two 'are'.

Probably the title could read IF ALL BUSINESS COWS IN CHINA ARE HOLY ?

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I got a mail from a colleague who also reads the forum.
The mail stated :

When billion dollars are under stake then if Rudd makes a Chinese born Rio executive be used as a sacrificial lamb by the Chinese government - what really matters for Australia ? With this sacrifice Rudd wins one against China and keep the business going.

The person also said if Rudd would have reacted slightly quicker if the Rio Executive was of an English Ancestory than a Chinese ancestory.

(I personally strongly oppposed both the suggestions. I am putting the points in the forum to check people reaction on this INDECENT PROPOSAL)

Personally I believe it is the humanity which rises against all kinds of politics and dirty tricks. Alas I am so naive. If this was so then the Hiroshima and Nagasaki or any kind of war would not have happened. No drugs, no crimes, no bribery, no corruption, no cynism, no divorce - everything is legal and holy.

Bloody earth - lawyers, police, justice system would be unemployed then.

The reality is that the Chinese can bully us as much as they like and there in nothing we can do about it. They know that without them our economy would be shot.

A few weeks ago Rio put the hard word on Chinese steel companies (i.e. the Chinese government) for $11.5 billion to compensate for broken contracts. The Chinese took Mr Hu as a hostage. It's called hedging.

i think i'd rather have 11.5 billion than hu and co, poor blokes can't be worth that much in organ value(break up value?).
i appologise in advance.

shag said:

i think i'd rather have 11.5 billion than hu and co, poor blokes can't be worth that much in organ value(break up value?).
i appologise in advance.

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Hi Shag

NO doubt you could be very astute as a trader but your comments on Mr Hu adn reference to organ value appeared to be words chosen very poorly and more sounding like your nick name.
No apology for my comment however and I am not of the same origin of Mr Hu. If you really consider when your comments are read by any member of Mr Hu's family or Chinese Australian fraternity. how they feel about it.


Thanks for understanding

fair enough.
maybe the point should be china can be a very dangerous country for some people.
but then its their country and a pragmatic solution maybe in their eyes(organ re-use for want of better words). as an engineer i consider that side too, as repulsive as it appears.
sadly i think rio and the australian government will think the same re the austalian/sino bigger picture. i am waiting for some sort of excuse to offer at least one of them as sacrificial lamb to shut this matter down.
all i know is once nz's FTA came near, all talk of human rights abuses went right out the door. plus last years fonterra saga showed the problems that can occur there very quickly.

i often just ask a mate when i want some advice on sino issues, he exposed last year how they can be very effective, quick(and relatively fair-depending on the view you hold towards capital punishment etc) at cleaning up issues compared to the west, like the probable death penalties for at least some of the san lu managers.

in any event, we will see what rudd is really made of.

we trade with the country, many of us own mining stocks in relation to this trade, does that make us compliant(to some degree) in respect of some of the less attractive sides to china?

i know i'm not astute as the stock market goes, too sloppy, just an interest.
cheers.

The person also said if Rudd would have reacted slightly quicker if the Rio Executive was of an English Ancestory than a Chinese ancestory.

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the chinese don't give a stuff about dual nationality or passports or whatever. they consider Hu chinese so were happy to snatch him. i can't really see white fellas bumbling around in china making the required "gestures" to effectively bribe people anyway. things like this are more like a tea ceremony than a changing of briefcases in a dark alley and would need to be facilitated by someone "in the know" culturally. different world, different mindset, different styles, corrupt as hell to us but standard practice there.

unless it suits them to change the practice of course. the chinese are flexible like that

Now would be a good time for Rudd to agree to accept the 17 Uighars from Guantanamo that Obama wants us to give asylum to. The Chinese want them sent back to China so they can shoot them.

A gesture like that might give them some respect for the guy, whom they now consider a running dog.

Calliope said:

Now would be a good time for Rudd to agree to accept the 17 Uighars from Guantanamo that Obama wants us to give asylum to. The Chinese want them sent back to China so they can shoot them.

A gesture like that might give them some respect for the guy, whom they now consider a running dog.

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slight extension of what you said to reduce tension here.

What about Rudd takes Mr Hu in exchange of 27-year-old Australian beauty therapist Schapelle Corby who is in Indonesian Jail ? She will entertain them nicely in China and could enhance business for Rio too.

Then Rudd brings back Mr Hu to Australia. Big political gain.

To compensate Indonesian loss he could then offer Mr Turnbull in exchange who is destined to be a better joker than any one so far Australia seen and making spinster lawyer Ms Julie Bishop to glory the opposition leader's chair.

I do not think the above action will be more complex than calling on the acting Chinese Ambassador (not even the full timer one) in Australia repeatedly with no bite but light barking ?

Miner said:

slight extension of what you said to reduce tension here.

What about Rudd takes Mr Hu in exchange of 27-year-old Australian beauty therapist Schapelle Corby who is in Indonesian Jail ? She will entertain them nicely in China and could enhance business for Rio too.

Then Rudd brings back Mr Hu to Australia. Big political gain.

To compensate Indonesian loss he could then offer Mr Turnbull in exchange who is destined to be a better joker than any one so far Australia seen and making spinster lawyer Ms Julie Bishop to glory the opposition leader's chair.

I do not think the above action will be more complex than calling on the acting Chinese Ambassador (not even the full timer one) in Australia repeatedly with no bite but light barking ?

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Geez ... that's out of character, a complete 180 degree turn considering what you said earlier:

Hi Shag

NO doubt you could be very astute as a trader but your comments on Mr Hu adn reference to organ value appeared to be words chosen very poorly and more sounding like your nick name.
No apology for my comment however and I am not of the same origin of Mr Hu. If you really consider when your comments are read by any member of Mr Hu's family or Chinese Australian fraternity. how they feel about it.
Thanks for understanding

Now ... you're just as bad as Shag aren't you?
Considering your grammar is off I have a hunch that you are of the same origin as our man Hu.

matty2.0 said:

Geez ... that's out of character, a complete 180 degree turn considering what you said earlier

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I disagree. Miner has exhibited a good example of lateral thinking. He has also summed up our leaders exactly with no bite but light barking.

According to the SMH this morning Rudd and Smith have finally had some backbone inserted into their cavities and are speaking to the Chinese about Steven Hu.

Are holy now politicians parliament in?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/pm-raises-rio-case-with-beijing-20090714-dk56.html

Simon Crean was quite indignant at the suggestion that the official he talked to about Hu was No.16 in the Shanghai provincial hierarchy. The truth is he said, was that the guy he spoke to was No. 3 on some other list of officials who are allowed to talk to foreigners.

Perhaps there is a list of those who tell the truth to foreigners. No one is anxious to get on this list.

Garpal Gumnut said:

Rudd and Smith have finally had some backbone inserted into their cavities and are speaking to the Chinese about Steven Hu.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/pm-raises-rio-case-with-beijing-20090714-dk56.html

Are holy now politicians parliament in?

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Steven who is, right name not sure ... yes Stern holy cow?

matty2.0 said:

Geez ... that's out of character, a complete 180 degree turn considering what you said earlier:

Hi Shag

NO doubt you could be very astute as a trader but your comments on Mr Hu adn reference to organ value appeared to be words chosen very poorly and more sounding like your nick name.
No apology for my comment however and I am not of the same origin of Mr Hu. If you really consider when your comments are read by any member of Mr Hu's family or Chinese Australian fraternity. how they feel about it.
Thanks for understanding

Now ... you're just as bad as Shag aren't you?
Considering your grammar is off I have a hunch that you are of the same origin as our man Hu.

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Dear Goez

It is always interesting to see when some one misses the content and tries to attack on side line.
My friend let us talk on the point.

This Forum is not a forum for English students or pedagogs. If it was so then I would have been more focused on my grammar, syntax, spelling, proverb - you name it.

Let us not spoil the main issue as well. For clarification I am not of the same origin as Mr Hu or a person of Chinese origin. However I am a migrant Australian like you are. It is the aboriginals who are original Australians. The rest of us have migrated in different forms - some came by ship, some by boat, some were sent to stay here and some came by plane to work and preferred to adopt as Australian. How many Europians really can read or write good English ?

People in this forum use all sort of wrongly constituted sentence, paragraphs, metaphor, wrong spelling (please check your spelling too and do not call it TYPO ), tense, grammar. Because that is not the focus in this forum but STOCKS AND related content, issue and some way to make money for all of us (for Joe as well through buying of the advertiser products) .

So instead of deviating from the issue like Mr Rudd and Mr Turnbull are trying please do not take shelter against my grammar just because I was lazy.

Issue is : Our so called political leaders are behaving as lame duck instead of resolving the issue with an Australian Citizen. If Mr Hu was bribing the Chinese then he is as glorious as Qld Minister or Alan Bond or many others to be given the opportunity to contest before sent to jail. Although he will not be the only one to bribe Chinese Officials. Who does not bribe to do business in Asia, Indonesia, PNG, Africa or Russia ? Does every one think there was all above board to get Sydney as our Olympic venue ?

How many of us really miss the opportunity to get work done in cash by the Tradies and avoid GST ?

I only urge that God's sake let us not try to let the country down against muscle of Chinese.

We all know Chinese are powerful and the whole Austraian economy is looking for some upside with Chinese wealth. But we need to consider how far are we going to relax our tolerance and succum to the bullying tactics ?


With Shag - I think we got sorted in this forum so no need to bring that point here.


Thanks any way for forcing me to write a long story - you were successful in that context any way

Calliope said:

I disagree. Miner has exhibited a good example of lateral thinking. He has also summed up our leaders exactly with no bite but light barking.

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Thanks Calliope to rise with the occasion for national interest

I'm still laughing at the Schapelle Corby exchange programme with China !! LOLOLOL

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Glen48 said:

Here is a bit of Chinese logic, the way to save money on piling's and as they are underground no one will know.

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This was in Shanghai too. Nobody will buy the rest of the apartments so they will need to demolish them. The developer will go bankrupt and the workers and suppliers will get zilch....all to save a few Yuan.

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