I dislike Daniel Andrews intensely

[macca]

No doubt they may just say, all is forgiven, we will just take x amount of you raw materials.
The long game grasshopper.

All very true but they do eat grasshoppers in Asia

 

[sptrawler]

I thought it was the Libs who always gutted the health and education systems.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/vic...arved-of-money-and-staff-20200729-p55ggh.html
From the article:
Victorian Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton's team was so poorly funded that top bureaucrats warned the Andrews government multiple times the state's public health unit was the worst resourced in the country.

While the alarm was sounded in May 2019, according to documents seen by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, the Department of Health and Human Services still had only 14 contact tracers by the time coronavirus took hold in Australia in March.

“In other words, a doubling of current staff numbers would still see Victoria as the least resourced state in terms of staff undertaking public health officer duties.”


Senior government figures told members of Victoria's public health team that the state was achieving the same outcomes as other jurisdictions without committing the same resources.

“Unfortunately the main outcome for successful public health is the absence of disease, and it has taken the pandemic to lay bare the true deficiencies in the Victoria system,” a DHHS source said this week.

 

[sptrawler]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...-powers-to-cancel-foreign-agreements/12599000
Victoria's controversial trade deal with Beijing may be scrapped by Australia's Foreign Minister, using new powers being proposed by the Federal Government.

 

[satanoperca]

Victorian Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton's team was so poorly funded that top bureaucrats warned the Andrews government multiple times the state's public health unit was the worst resourced in the country.

The cause of the problem, the dumb arsed pollies don't want a drama, as it highlights the incompetence of managing/administering effective public health./hospitals.

This is not about flattening the curve, so our hospitals are no overloaded, this is about hiding the truth that are medical system was already at 98% capacity due to the lack of governance over decades.

The tide has turned, the tide is going out and showing the true state of governance.

Have several pitch forks available for hire.

 

[SirRumpole]

The cause of the problem, the dumb arsed pollies don't want a drama, as it highlights the incompetence of managing/administering effective public health./hospitals.

This is not about flattening the curve, so our hospitals are no overloaded, this is about hiding the truth that are medical system was already at 98% capacity due to the lack of governance over decades.

The tide has turned, the tide is going out and showing the true state of governance.

Have several pitch forks available for hire.

Indeed so.

Who can you vote for when they are all culpable ?

 

[Knobby22]

Great article by Julia Szego in the Age where she makes some great points.
Summarising:

Premier Andrews is continually scolding us saying we Victorians are not taking the virus seriously enough.
The truth is he and his government did not take this seriously enough.
The virus was traced and it all goes back to the hotel.
His staff didn't take their role seriously enough to contain it.
They are still not taking it seriously enough, why is their less contact tracing staff than NSW?

I like her final paragraph but the whole article is worth a read, she is a very good writer.

As a father himself, Andrews knows that repeatedly scolding your kids without admitting your mistakes breeds resentment or despair. The former, in our current circumstances emboldens the death cultists, conspiracy theorists and Sam Newman to wreck the public health effort,. Despair, on the other hand, will keep the cautious among us hunkered down and economically withdrawn, bags packed for a one day dash to the border.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...show-some-accountability-20200903-p55s14.html

 

[sptrawler]

Poor old Dan's problems might have just got a whole lot worse, I wonder if there will be a law suit? Could be party times in the towers.

‘Haunted’ tower residents want to know why government won’t say sorry

Residents of public housing towers placed under an immediate hard lockdown in July are distressed that the Victorian government is refusing to apologise.

www.smh.com.au

 

[wayneL]

It seems not only Mornington Peninsula golf clubs can't stand this egregious POS... Hahahaha this is priceless

 

[finicky]

He looks f'd. I hope it's an indication of his well being.

 

[sptrawler]

Public service impartiality 'eroded' in Victoria by a 'culture of fear', ombudsman says

The impartiality of Victoria's public service has been "eroded" by a culture of fear and secrecy and an over-reliance on consultants by the Andrews Labor government, a damning ombudsman investigation finds.

www.abc.net.au

• In short: Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass has criticised the 'creeping politicisation' of the public service under Daniel Andrews in a scathing report.
• The Department of Premier and Cabinet secretary welcomed the report's conclusion that it could not substantiate claims the public service had been improperly stacked.
• What's next? Ms Glass recommended the appointment of a public service head to independently oversee employment in the sector

 

[Sean K]

Public service impartiality 'eroded' in Victoria by a 'culture of fear', ombudsman says

The impartiality of Victoria's public service has been "eroded" by a culture of fear and secrecy and an over-reliance on consultants by the Andrews Labor government, a damning ombudsman investigation finds.

www.abc.net.au

• In short: Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass has criticised the 'creeping politicisation' of the public service under Daniel Andrews in a scathing report.
• The Department of Premier and Cabinet secretary welcomed the report's conclusion that it could not substantiate claims the public service had been improperly stacked.
• What's next? Ms Glass recommended the appointment of a public service head to independently oversee employment in the sector

Dan's personal office was larger than the PM and NSW Premier's combined. They were running the show pretty much. It's going to take a while for the Labor stooges recruited into the public service during his reign to be diluted so we get a more impartial bureaucracy. Not likely to happen for years, maybe decades. And look at the ACT! The APS is a giant Socialist self-licking ice cream. Troubling.

 

[sptrawler]

He certainly got a lot of things happening in Victoria, whether it was successful or not time will tell, they are carrying a lot of debt.
You don't get to see the real achievements, or failures, until long after the event with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[wayneL]

He certainly got a lot of things happening in Victoria, whether it was successful or not time will tell, they are carrying a lot of debt.
You don't get to see the real achievements, or failures, until long after the event with the benefit of hindsight.

Hi sojourn into totalitarianism will be what he will always be remembered, and despised for.

His trial at Nuremberg 2.0 will be the only just appearance in public life from this point forward.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

He certainly got a lot of things happening in Victoria, whether it was successful or not time will tell, they are carrying a lot of debt.
You don't get to see the real achievements, or failures, until long after the event..

well, he seems to have taught his successor well. choke on your weetbix in 2nd para,. it's 2023, folks. (not Gaza?)
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$9.5B of works awarded for North East Link project

The Victorian Government has awarded contracts for works on the North East Link project, including the Eastern Freeway and M80 Ring Road.

roadsonline.com.au

....
" It’s also important to note that the project cost for the North East Link has surpassed the estimated project cost of $16 billion (in 2019) to now almost $26 billion.

Premier Jacinta Allan attributed the cost blowout to consequences from the COVID pandemic and the Ukraine conflict.

 

 

[sptrawler]

well, he seems to have taught his successor well. choke on your weetbix in 2nd para,. it's 2023, folks. (not Gaza?)
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$9.5B of works awarded for North East Link project

The Victorian Government has awarded contracts for works on the North East Link project, including the Eastern Freeway and M80 Ring Road.

roadsonline.com.au

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" It’s also important to note that the project cost for the North East Link has surpassed the estimated project cost of $16 billion (in 2019) to now almost $26 billion.

Premier Jacinta Allan attributed the cost blowout to consequences from the COVID pandemic and the Ukraine conflict.

 

Selective deafness abounds.

 

[Knobby22]

well, he seems to have taught his successor well. choke on your weetbix in 2nd para,. it's 2023, folks. (not Gaza?)
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$9.5B of works awarded for North East Link project

The Victorian Government has awarded contracts for works on the North East Link project, including the Eastern Freeway and M80 Ring Road.

roadsonline.com.au

View attachment 167293
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" It’s also important to note that the project cost for the North East Link has surpassed the estimated project cost of $16 billion (in 2019) to now almost $26 billion.

Premier Jacinta Allan attributed the cost blowout to consequences from the COVID pandemic and the Ukraine conflict.

 

They shouldn't build it.
I am against it. They have not got a good enough argument in my view for its existence or if they have then publish it. Not good.

 

[sptrawler]

They shouldn't build it.
I am against it. They have not got a good enough argument in my view for its existence or if they have then publish it. Not good.

I have no idea whether it is good or bad, or even where it goes, but I remember an East link was canned when Andrews came in and also any cost blowouts on coalition projects got several days front day coverage, both in the media and on ASF.

I just think all sides of Government should be held up to the same scrutiny, but that doesn't seem to happen.

Both sides do crap decisions and both sides should be held accountable, simple really, then at least you can debate the pros and cons of the decision.
As it is the only decisions you can debate is one sided, which really becomes tribal and doesn't achieve anything, it doesn't enlighten anyone.
It's like in the Albanese Government thread I've answered Orr's question and it is open for him to debate the issue, but seldom does he, it is just ignored until the next time he wants to put in a jibe.
Robust debate as to the benefits and drawbacks of Government decisions, are the only way lay people, can make valued judgements IMO.

 

[Knobby22]

I have no idea whether it is good or bad, or even where it goes, but I remember an East link was canned when Andrews came in and also any cost blowouts on coalition projects got several days front day coverage, both in the media and on ASF.

I just think all sides of Government should be held up to the same scrutiny, but that doesn't seem to happen.

Both sides do crap decisions and both sides should be held accountable, simple really, then at least you can debate the pros and cons of the decision.
As it is the only decisions you can debate is one sided, which really becomes tribal and doesn't achieve anything, it doesn't enlighten anyone.

I wanted Eastlink built also but how that was handled was also wrong. Signing a contract without due process the day you call an election was wrong and helped them to lose it.

They also did not produce any figures justifying it. I saw some figures after the fact that there were better priorities however I believe it has to be built one day, especially when the new Rosanna works are completed.

It appears to me from a distance that WA is better run than Victoria.

 

[sptrawler]

I wanted Eastlink built also but how that was handled was also wrong. Signing a contract without due process the day you call an election was wrong and helped them to lose it.

They also did not produce any figures justifying it. I saw some figures after the fact that there were better priorities however I believe it has to be built one day, especially when the new Rosanna works are completed.

It appears to me from a distance that WA is better run than Victoria.

That makes perfect sense, we have a similar situation in Perth, where 90% of North/South traffic goes through the centre of the city, because both parties are having a pizzing competition about a ring road utilising the West Coat highway.

It all boils down to a section of road between Bibra Lake and North Lake, where they could build a covered bridge or even put a tunnel under it as it is only about one km, but it has become political, so one side gives it the go ahead, then the other side get in and can it plus sell the land.

Meanwhile the freeway becomes a parking lot with stop go entry lights at every on ramp, absolutely stupid, why don't they just listen to the experts? Well it might cost votes one way or another.

Crazy tribal, anal politics, why the hell can't they just decide what is best for the future, rather than the next election, that would be novel.
That is probably the reason we are trying to become all inclusive, because our politicians have no idea who we are and what we believe in, because they obviously believe in nothing but their own objectives.
Sad really.

 

[wayneL]

The truth coming out?

Part 1