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How to retire early... or simply survive

That's an interesting comment about the ATO reporting requirement.

I'm assuming it's aimed at people withdrawing their super illegally ?
 

Add to that, a lot of the money in super, has been put in after tax.
I think the Government will have to, at some offer people the option of removing their after tax contributions, as they are constantly changing how it is treated.
If for example you had $200k in after tax contributions, its earnings are being taxed at 15%, if it was outside super the first $18k of earnings is tax free.
 
That's an interesting comment about the ATO reporting requirement.

I'm assuming it's aimed at people withdrawing their super illegally ?

My guess is it a precursor, to bringing back max-min withdrawls, as people make a run on super.
Just pull it out and spend it as you wish, take the first $36k tax free, split with your wife.
Why leave it in super, having them tell you how you can spend it, while constantly changing how they treat it?
The point of super is being completely lost by Labor, it was introduced to improve your retirement, Labor now see it as a pool of money they want.
Anyway probably enough been said, time will tell which of us is right, best of luck with your retirement. congratulations
 
Also, just because someone is withdrawing $100K per year from their super doesn't mean the super is earning $100K per year, Some of that is capital that is already been taxed when it was originally earned.

I'm sure that could be accounted for.
 
I'm sure that could be accounted for.


The current system does account for it, as far as I understand the bulk of super is taxed

eg. the money you put in from your wages over your life is taxed, and the earnings that are earned during the life of the super fund are taxed, and its only right at the end of the super funds life during the pension phase that the earnings become tax free, but by then the bulk of the funds are after tax capital.
 

off topic but for clarity to see taxpayer involvement.......
initial $30B was done this way (as no more than $30B was allowed). Interest on bonds is paid each 6 months by the government and comes from revenue including NBN receipts. This initial capital amount is/was to be repayed to taxpayers when the NBN is sold at a future unknown time (not sure who buyer will be but anyway).

Then govt scrapped the $30B limit cap cos NBN needed $19B more and could NOT find any commercial funding, so another $19.5B was given by govt as a loan (Nov16) but on 'çommercial terms' so no need for the taxpayer to panic (3.71%). This will be paid off in 2021 by NBN refinancing commercially....(hence the panic to get peeps signed up at higher speeds as NBN makes more money so can look better on the books)....no idea what happens if they cannot refinance.
 
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Also the ATO has introduced a reporting requirement, that any large sums removed from super, have to be immediately reported. Make of that, what you will.
can you provide info here please.......I am currently thinking that this is a long standing requirement to do with access prior to 60 years of age (65yrs) type scenarios ..........but happy to learn
 

During the accumulation phase, as you say, the earnings are taxed at 15% even if you aren't working. the $18,000 tax free threshold doesn't apply.
But the majority of people including Bill Shorten, would have you believe it hasn't been taxed at all.
They also like to include the after tax contributions, in there misinformation, as it adds BS to their figures.
A worker would have to be crazy, to put their own money into super, pre Bill Shorten I would have encouraged people to put extra money in. Now the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, it has become obvious the Government will class super as their money, not yours. IMO
 
can you provide info here please.......I am currently thinking that this is a long standing requirement to do with access prior to 60 years of age (65yrs) type scenarios ..........but happy to learn

As far as I'm aware, as from July1 it applies to funds in the pension phase. Junior or one of the other specialists, can probably give the exact provisions.
I wouldn't want to state something that isn't accurate, as I have no qualifications, regarding finance or tax.
 
thanks, googled already and will have another whilst waiting...

Aside, if u r not prepared to just make stuff up then i am afraid the internet has no place for people like you.




lol
 
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Early retirement is very alive and well.
Just wander down to any Social Security
Office and you’ll find a whole room full
Of experts.

Sun Surf lazy afternoons
Work—-why?
Both are a life style choice how good
IS the lucky country!
 
spot on spitrawler, if you 45yrs +up, own your home or close too it the pension is no brainer for a couple
 
Here is a link to the new reporting system, I think it is called event based reporting.

https://www.hlb.com.au/event-based-reporting-impacts-smsfs/

It is to do with anything, that affects your transfer balance cap.
So this is for SMSF's with balances over 1 million then. That's fair enough.

Must be tempting for someone to quietly borrow from the fund for black magic

Are they doing it for fear of Bill Shorten confiscating it or something ?
spot on spitrawler, if you 45yrs +up, own your home or close too it the pension is no brainer for a couple
You just wanna hope that it's still there when you reach 67.

Because if everyone does it - it'll only be paid to them after they've died.

Personally I can't wait that long. I got fings to do
 
But what if Bill Shorten gets in?

We've already read in post 228 that Labor want to increase the pension age - apparently.

What happens if he abolishes it altogether?
 
The individual circumstances are that I've taken your advice and blown all my dough on a Lamborghini and a fridge with 6G internet to qualify for the pension. So has everyone else. The age of entitlement is alive and well. Then the pension has to be rolled out to the entire aged population.

Enter Labor. We can't afford it so it gets abolished. WhatdoIdo ? lol
 
spot on spitrawler, if you 45yrs +up, own your home or close too it the pension is no brainer for a couple

I would definitely keep saving, just wouldn't use super as the vehicle, employer contributions fine just wouldn't put my own money in.

It is a shame the Government years ago raided the pot, and decided to pay pensions from consolidated revenue.

If we had a system(which I believe we had), like U.K, NZ and Canada, everyone gets the pension, your super is taxed as income.
Therefore everybody gets the minimum pension, and it is up to you if you want to save for a better retirement.
It sounds a whole lot fairer, than the system we have.
From memory,I think it was Keating who removed the statutory 6% levy on income tax, that was meant to be set aside for welfare.
Ah, how history has a way of changing.
 

No, No, enter Labor, we can't afford it, everyone who has anything spend it, those who have nothing increase the pension.
It's equivalent to having $800k in the bank already.
 
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