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House prices to stagnate for 'years'

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Residex house price trading data for Brisbane in 2007.

My personal estimate was 10% growth in 3br houses in my postcode over the first half of 2007, seems to be about the same averaged over Brisbane from these stats.

31/01/2007 H Brisbane 9.73522 0.11%
28/02/2007 H Brisbane 9.78018 0.46%
31/03/2007 H Brisbane 9.91202 1.35%
30/04/2007 H Brisbane 10.2146 3.05%
31/05/2007 H Brisbane 10.2276 0.13%
30-Jun-07 H Brisbane 10.5122 2.78%
31-Jul-07 H Brisbane 10.7711 2.46%
 

Finally, someone provides a solid example!


You are right with everything you say here Fleeta. The tax,the purchase costs, the selling costs...all need to be considered in a property deal and all tend to conspire to screw you out of profits. All are reasons why many property investors say: never sell. Drawdown on the equity you've accumulated or collatoralise against another purchase, but never sell. Although, you've identified one of two ways to solve this problem. One, CGT exception for primary place of residence. Or two, hold for over 12 months and get a CGT discount of 50%.

Is anyone bothering to keep track of the tax brackets these days??? You now have to be earning over $150,000 AUD a year to get into the top tax bracket. Lets say you're a slightly above average Joe and you make $75k a year. If you sold an investment property after 12 months and made $100k cap gain you would pay a tax at a rate of 21% on your gains. If you were a bit of a high roller and managed to make $150k a year you'd still only pay 23.5%. None of these figures take into account the tax benefits of negative gearing or depreciation on investment properties, so you can assume on the sum of things these rates will go down even further.

Still seems like a lot of tax to pay on a deal? But over on other threads people are scrambling for solutions to their share market tax problems with answers like, "I'll incorporate and get the 30% company tax rate"...it's all relative...< 20% tax ain't that bad. Maybe you take a long holiday the year you sell your house in Australia...hmmm. Perhaps you can get your tax down to 15% that way, and a free holiday. Its not just about money accumulation, we've all got to live as the years pass by.

I only wonder which area of Melbourne 7kms from the CBD...and also notice you bought in Jan 04...prices were generally flat or falling in Melb into late 04, so if you bought then instead you would have fared better since you would have got a greater %age increase and have had less holding time hence less interest payments.

Imagine you said to someone they could live for rent free in their own house for 2.5 years...what kind of leg-up might that provide the average person in life?? "Hey, your rent is going to be taken care of for 2.5 years, do you think you can save $x for investing in the sharemarket or starting a business or going on an overseas holiday without having to come back with maxed-out credit cards???

Those days of the late 90's where you could buy a run down shack, slap on a coat of paint and sell for double are gone. But you don't need to hit home runs to make it worth it...looks like you just proved that property is still a viable way to get ahead. All you need is a further 10, 15 or perhaps 20 years of smart decisions and you'll be as wealthy as a baby boomer

ASX.G
 

Most baby boomers i know, are not all that r9ich, they just like to spend money to give the appearance
 
I could have put this in any number of threads as it affects a lot of things, but this as good a place as any:

FWIW

 

http://www.kansascity.com/business/story/236639.html


You can easily envision how this tally will soar further in the next 6 months considering there has been gridlock in Credit Markets already and massive tightening of the standards to get loans or refinance not to mention much higher Interest rates for non conforming borrowers(and lenders) ....

Agreeing with Jim Rogers here shorting US financials has to be the best most logical and fun bet around atm!
 
Hence why sport is the most popular passtime in the world i guess ?

That's clever, I never thought of that. You could be onto something there...if only the stakes were a little higher...not coming home with the cup and forfeiting the entry fees is is one thing...but not coming home 'cos you lost that too.
 
hehe and there's plenty losing their houses it seems .....

Sometimes i wonder if the US administration was expecting alot of this, its worth reading the "New Bankruptcy Law which went into effect on Oct 17, 2005"

http://www.creditinfocenter.com/bankruptcy/NewBankruptcyLaws.shtml

 
Sometimes i wonder if the US administration was expecting alot of this, its worth reading the "New Bankruptcy Law which went into effect on Oct 17, 2005"

To say expecting it kind of infers that the politicians are nasty people, and I like to believe that there are a number of them (even in America) that are actually there for the good they can do. But I did blog on this exact topic recently and called it "debt to equity". To me it's the name of the game (and has been for a very long time, but now more than ever things are getting out of balance) and this is another element which props up the institutions of the wealthy by making it harder for those screwed by debt to get off the hook. Knowing this, what do you do?
 
It's great that you find that funny numbercruncher. Hopefully there will be quite a few people laughing at any misfortune you have in the future.

I didnt quite mean that how you took it.

There no misfortune in this, just the biggest scam in financial history as far as i can see. I say good on people for walking away from these homes, worth less than what they paid for them and bought under fraudulent circumstances for the better part.

But anyhow ask yourself why they are losing there homes, it was armies of crooked mortgage brokers backed by wall street sharks that repackaged this scam as a sure fire investment . And thats before we even start on the Fed who facilitated this monster bubble of all monster bubbles with low interest rates.


There always comes a time to pay the piper and if it seems like its too good to be true then it probably is (ie/ Houses rising in value 10pc a month what a joke)

So the more i think about it i do think its funny, hilarious infact.
 
There always comes a time to pay the piper and if it seems like its too good to be true then it probably is (ie/ Houses rising in value 10pc a month what a joke)

So the more i think about it i do think its funny, hilarious infact.

Geez numbercruncher...how old are you? Do you live in a real society or are you holed up in someones basement somewhere with painted over windows???

I think you are missing the perspective of the bigger picture.
 
Well Gorilla i just dont get it then.

Explain it to me because it sure doesnt make much sense, lend people money on an ARM knowing full well they cant afford repayments when reset time comes, the borrower buys it under the pretext that house prices rise forever and interest rates will "never" go up and if they do they just sell and make squillions, wall street then packages the mortgage as an awesome aaa bond and suckers come from all over to buy them. And im spost to fee l sorry for someone in this equation ?


On a local level Average wages cant buy average homes anymore, prices according to posters here show houses rising more every year than average after tax incomes. Houses cost more of peoples incomes now than they did during 18pc interest times. And whilst some of us say this is unsustainable and destined to end in tears , im told im missing the perspective of the bigger picture, i dont get it ....

Please explain this bigger picture.
 
Please explain this bigger picture.

Take a look around, there is enough to go around. And while you're at it you might take time to notice that not everyone is as smart as you are and some of the people caught up in this situation also didn't see the big picture and only wanted what they were told they could have; a place of their own to live.
 

I prefer to look on the bright side, out of every Joe Blow loser in this fiasco there will be a joe blow winner, ok the guy who got sucked in as the last aboard the scam loses, but not much, he didnt have much in the first place, probably not even a deposit, just a dream that never was.

The winners are the people who next own the houses after forclosure, or anyone needing a home for that matter, house prices in the US have dropped considerably, all of a sudden making them affordable again for the masses.

Good result.And itll clean up the risky overleveraged credit market, hopefully in an orderly fashion.

Thanks for the chat though Gorilla, i always respect opinions from all angles, Ill just never surrender my own opinion even (if Im in the minority seat) is all
 
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